building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread Zefram
I've been reading the list archives. Parts of the discussion are rather repetetive. I think the search space could be narrowed quite a bit if the list produced a canonical statement of consensus, listing facts on which there is no dispute. This would serve much the same purpose as a FAQ, as

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
UT1 et al are not really measures of time, but of angle (of Terran rotation). To some degree yes, but don't they also include minor corrections (polar motion, longitude, etc.) and so at one level they already depart from raw angle measurement and instead are trying to act like clocks? /tvb

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2006-06-01T08:09:22 -0400, John Cowan hath writ: Some do, some don't, some couldn't care less. It deserves to be noted that last year at the GA in India URSI Commission J decided that it couldn't care, and discontinued its working group on the leap second.

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread Steve Allen
On Thu 2006-06-01T06:25:39 -0700, Tom Van Baak hath writ: UT1 et al are not really measures of time, but of angle (of Terran rotation). To some degree yes, but don't they also include minor corrections (polar motion, longitude, etc.) and so at one level they already depart from raw angle

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Actually, this list is not a discussion per se. If we simplify the : positions - just for the sake of argument here - to leap second yes : and leap second no, the reality is that the folks pushing the leap : second

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread John Cowan
M. Warner Losh scripsit: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Actually, this list is not a discussion per se. If we simplify the : positions - just for the sake of argument here - to leap second yes : and leap second no, the reality is that the

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : M. Warner Losh scripsit: : : In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Rob Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : Actually, this list is not a discussion per se. If we simplify the : : positions - just for the

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread Rob Seaman
Warner Losh objects:There are several doughty people here who happen to have that opinion, but they abide with us mortals outside the time lords' hushed inner sanctum.I have spent much time explaining why leap seconds cause real problems in real applications, only to be insulted like this.Sincere

Re: building consensus

2006-06-01 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : Warner Losh objects: : : There are several doughty people here who happen to have that : opinion, but they abide with us mortals outside the time lords' : hushed inner sanctum. : : I have spent much time

Re: Precision vs. resolution

2006-06-01 Thread John Cowan
Rob Seaman scripsit: Interesting question. Perhaps it is the distinction between addressability and physical pixels that one encounters on image displays and hardcopy devices? (Still have to posit which is which in that case :-) Thanks to those who responded either publicly or privately.

Re: Precision vs. resolution

2006-06-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
I should perhaps explain that I was interested in an internal representation for durations, which I am now representing as a triple of months, minutes, and seconds (the number of minutes in a month is not predictable, nor the number of seconds in a minute given leap seconds, but all other