Diagram of CHU Leap-Second Recording and Atomic Clock

2006-01-04 Thread Richard Langley
I recorded the audio of the 3330 kHz signal of the National Research Council of Canada's time signal station CHU from a few minutes before, until a couple of minutes after, midnight UTC on New Years' Eve. A PDF of the annotated sampled-signal time series between 23:59:00 and 0:00:01 can be found

Fwd: [LEAPSECS] Longer leap second notice

2006-01-04 Thread Rob Seaman
On Jan 3, 2006, at 5:46 PM, Warner Losh wrote: As someone who has fought the battles, I can tell you that a simple table is 10x or 100x easier to implement than dealing with parsing the data from N streams. Sure, it limits the lifetime of the device, but a 20 year limit is very reasonable.

Re: Longer leap second notice

2006-01-04 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rob Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : On Jan 3, 2006, at 5:46 PM, Warner Losh wrote: : : As someone who has fought the battles, I can tell you that a simple : table is 10x or 100x easier to implement than dealing with parsing : the data from N streams.

Re: Diagram of CHU Leap-Second Recording and Atomic Clock

2006-01-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
It is correct that DUT1 changes by +1.0 across a positive leap second; going from a negative value (e.g., -0.6) to a positive value (e.g., +0.4). You would see the inverse in the case of a negative leap second (DUT1 will, by definition, be positive before the negative leap second and go negative

ITU Request for Leap Second Experiences

2006-01-04 Thread Ed Mirmak
Those who have submitted data, plots, or descriptions of system response to the leap second addition may want to forward those messages to ITU WP-7A. Related to the Nov 2005 U.S. proposal to the ITU to redefine UTC and abandon leap seconds, they are soliciting information from various sources on

Re: Longer leap second notice

2006-01-04 Thread jcowan
Rob Seaman scripsit: Little support - and again, to a certain level of precision (easily better than a second per day), all parties must certainly agree that civil time (as we know it) Why do you persist in claiming that all parties must certainly agree on something that is precisely the

Re: Longer leap second notice

2006-01-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob Seaman writes: Hi Warner, A more apt comparison would be to the leap year rules that we have. We know the rules going forward a thousand years or so. Apt indeed. Leap seconds are scheduled at least six months in advance. That's about one part in 15

Re: Diagram of CHU Leap-Second Recording and Atomic Clock

2006-01-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Van Baak writes: As for your Skyscan clock, I have several dozen similar consumer RC clocks here and none has ever adjusted itself for a leap second in real-time The majority of such clocks only run the receiver for some part of the day to save power. One

Re: Diagram of CHU Leap-Second Recording and Atomic Clock

2006-01-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
The majority of such clocks only run the receiver for some part of the day to save power. One particular kind I examined ran the receiver until it had sync, then powered the receiver down for 23 hours and repeated the cycle. Yes, but the LS bit stays lit for the entire month (at least for

Re: Longer leap second notice

2006-01-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
A more apt comparison would be to the leap year rules that we have. We know the rules going forward a thousand years or so. Apt indeed. Leap seconds are scheduled at least six months in advance. That's about one part in 15 million. A thousand year horizon for scheduling leap days is

Double 59; 60; or double 00?

2006-01-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
With the surge of leap second captures this time around, are there any concerns over the growing(?) use of double :59 second or double :00 second instead of :59:60 for a positive leap second? Although not technically correct, they do seem a practical, perhaps even clever, alternative -- in some

Re: Longer leap second notice

2006-01-04 Thread John Cowan
Ed Davies scripsit: The main requirements for local civil time for the bulk of its users are that: Agreed. 1. local civil time matches apparent solar time roughly (e.g., the sun is pretty high in the sky at 12:00 and it's dark at 00:00). I think the last is the important point, or

Re: civil time = solar time

2006-01-04 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rob Seaman writes: I said: all parties must certainly agree that civil time (as we know it) IS mean solar time. Ed says: saying that it IS civil time is probably a bit strong. Probably a bit strong is not precisely a staunch denial. [...] This is simply a