Re: [LEAPSECS] smear

2023-03-20 Thread Warner Losh
On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 2:10 PM Steve Allen  wrote:

> On Mon 2023-03-20T19:36:51+ Michael Deckers via LEAPSECS hath writ:
> > � This seems to be lenient enough to allow for not scheduling
> > � a negative leap second even in the case that the difference
> > � (UT1 - UTC) should go a bit below -1 s before 2035.
>
> And today in the NTP working group mail list we see that the
> big guns expect to force the issue because
>
> > From: Doug Arnold 
> > Subject: Re: [Ntp] draft-ntp-ntpv5-requirements update for IETF 116
> >
> > Re leap smearing:
> >
> > Operators from multiple data centers tell me that they intend to
> > smear leap seconds.  When I pointed out the pitfalls they were
> > undeterred.  I have come to understand that leap smearing is viewed as
> > less problematic than trying to fix leap second handing in distributed
> > database software.
>
> they have taken the stance that if leap seconds do not go away then
> they will smear.
>
> This is like Eucla Australia setting their clocks the way they
> please and daring the state government to do something about it.
>

Pragmatically, it's a lot easier to smear 3 or 4 more times than to fix all
the code that leap seconds break. Smearing is an ugly hack that allows
broken code to get things less wrong than powering through a leap second
and the result +1s or -1s errors. The trains must run on time, UTC be
damned, eh?

Warner
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[LEAPSECS] smear

2023-03-20 Thread Steve Allen
On Mon 2023-03-20T19:36:51+ Michael Deckers via LEAPSECS hath writ:
> � This seems to be lenient enough to allow for not scheduling
> � a negative leap second even in the case that the difference
> � (UT1 - UTC) should go a bit below -1 s before 2035.

And today in the NTP working group mail list we see that the
big guns expect to force the issue because

> From: Doug Arnold 
> Subject: Re: [Ntp] draft-ntp-ntpv5-requirements update for IETF 116
>
> Re leap smearing:
>
> Operators from multiple data centers tell me that they intend to
> smear leap seconds.  When I pointed out the pitfalls they were
> undeterred.  I have come to understand that leap smearing is viewed as
> less problematic than trying to fix leap second handing in distributed
> database software.

they have taken the stance that if leap seconds do not go away then
they will smear.

This is like Eucla Australia setting their clocks the way they
please and daring the state government to do something about it.

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