matter, that the name UTC, which is used
in (almost all of) the world's civil time legislation, be kept for that
purpose. Astronomers can very well switch to a different abbreviation for
their |UTC - UT1| 0.9 timescale.
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as well, in the
interest of simplicity for all non-astronomical applications?
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clarification
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rather than international agreement, but this is excusable.
He gets the more fundamental points correct: the existing IDL is purely
conventional, the historical Sabbath is Saturday, the earth is round
and rotates.
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Be yourself
reservoirs affect the earth's spin. Want to slow it down?
Pump more water uphill! Speed it up? Move the water to Death Valley!
It's only water. It's only desert. Who could complain! ;-)
Pumped-storage facilities could serve as pilot plants for this effort.
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between the calendar and the synodic month, too. IERS can
even maintain OldUTC for their benefit; what matters is what the basis of
LCT is, since we all live our lives primarily by LCT.)
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are the same thing. --Hannah Arendt
decide to change its offset from the
current -0330 to -0300 in 2300, and then leave it alone until 2900.
The world would spin on quite unaffected. (Newfie joke suppressed here.)
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it will inevitably walk again. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
if Urumqi is too remote.
And most definitely, let's stop these inane and embarrassing closed
door discussions among biased insiders.
Personally, I am a biased outsider.
It ain't your clock - it's *our* clock.
Eh? Who are you and who are we?
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with an LCT that is three hours
away from the sun, we can stand rather lower discrepancies just fine.
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, and how many people actually realize
*that*?
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Issue lots of Drafts. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
So much more to understand! http
Clive D.W. Feather scripsit:
See also http://www.davros.org/misc/easter.html and the Easter Act 1928.
Most interesting, and an excellent Web site.
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use
of the sun (or anything else, perhaps).
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[R]eversing the apostolic precept to be all things to all men, I usually [before
Darwin] defended the tenability of the received doctrines, when I had to do
with the [evolution]ists
are qualitatively different: they change the adjustment
between TAI and LCT, ignoring earth rotation altogether.
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before our very window. Does he think that http
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bulk of the population not begin work on one day and end on another
(astronomers excepted, of course). This would be a bookkeeping nightmare.
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Clive D.W. Feather scripsit:
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You don't get odd numbers of barry. It's
of future changes in the length of the tropical year.
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If a traveler were informed that such a man [as Lord John Russell] was
leader of the House of Commons, he may well begin to comprehend how the
Egyptians worshiped
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For his Phenomenology. --W. H. Auden, from People (1953)
for 3 years. That's quite an example of engineering margin.
Indeed. But then so is IPv6 (if we ever get it adopted widely).
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In the sciences, we are now uniquely privileged to sit side by side
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. If not,
I'll try to dig them up.
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There was an old manSaid with a laugh, I
From Peru, whose lim'ricks all Cut them in half, the pay is
Look'd like haiku. He Much better
times roughly
synchronized to Earth rotation containing various glitches.
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Linux, with free music
time scale is not known. This turns out not to be a big problem,
except for the makers of calendar programs.
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Be yourself. Especially do not feign a working knowledge of RDF where
no such knowledge exists. Neither be cynical
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you're not a dog. --Bill de hOra http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
with once a year. TV stations, for example, normally broadcast
the same program twice in a row on Leapback Sunday, at least in the U.S.
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The penguin geeks is happy / As under the waves they lark
The closed-source geeks ain't
they are more of a problem than DST shifts?
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slowing can be attributed to Earth's ocean
and Mars's lack of one I don't know.
(See http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct98/908453811.As.r.html for
the relevant masses and radii.)
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of the Open Source movement.[EMAIL
that, even the Mayan Long Count.
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The whole of Gaul is quartered into three halves.
-- Julius Caesar
on.
I'd expect to see a wave of breakage as DUT1 exceeded 0.9s for the first
time, and a second wave as it exceeded 1s for the first time. After
that, of course, the problems would no longer be relevant. :-)
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They tried to pierce your heart John Cowan
with a Morgul-knife that remains
worldwide.
According to the Olson timezone database, there have been 516 of them
since the beginning of standard time (when that is, of course, varies
with the country or subdivision thereof).
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Be yourself. Especially do not feign
and further from solar time, more systems in
more communities (transportation, GIS, innumerable scientific
disciplines, what have you) would be revealed to need remediation.
Can you spell out some of those implications?
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in Philadelphia
, and announced
decades in advance.
I certainly do, and I hope everyone else who is down-leaps does too.
TI is a good name (you can read it as TAI - A where A is a constant
to be decided when the scale is inaugurated).
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[T]here
at the equator.
Navigators are clearly people who would need access to |TI-UT1| along with
astronomers, yes.
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Mr. Henry James writes fiction as if it were a painful duty. --Oscar Wilde
Clive D.W. Feather scripsit:
Why not? Greek and Latin, to name two, were spoken that long ago and are
recognisable today.
Indeed, and they passed through a far tighter bottleneck than anything
likely today.
Not even the most diligently destructive barbarian can
extirpate the
a purely lunar calendar would
make a lot of sense.
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XPointer errata
want) is to make TI rather than UTC the foundation of legal local time.
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or minutes within that day.
That amounts to saying that some days have 24 hours, whereas others
have 25 hours, 24 of them being 3600 seconds long and the 25th being
1 second long. IMHO that is worse.
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[T]here is a Darwinian explanation
.
(Well, I think you wouldn't, though I think some politicians
might.)
No, I wouldn't. But in labeling every point on the string to a
precision of 1 inch, I would say that there are two possibilities
for the number of feet, 0 or 1.
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, but accurate
only to 3.)
Thanks.
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are not to be found on this list.
That being so, the leap seconds yes folks are unable to challenge them
or persuade them otherwise.
You and I, on the other hand, fall into the doughty people here group.
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portrait of Mona Lisa good
.) To this I would add a fourth
nonnegative integer representing clock resolution units and wanted to
make sure I had the terminology correct.
Ah well.
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In the sciences, we are now uniquely privileged to sit side by side
with the giants on whose
. I've seen Linux 2.4 perform this step (but during
a simulated leap second, not a real one) in the course of testing some
of my timekeeping code.
Quite so; my error.
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There are books that are at once excellent and boring. Those
may call this position wrong (and I have done so), but it is
unquestionably defensible.
It would be better to say the number of SI seconds since 1972 rather
than UTC seconds, I think.
Indeed.
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that their God will rouse them
no knowing,
in the current state of our geophysical knowledge, how the wobbly old
boulder in the sky is going to wobble next.
The biggest difference between leap days and leap seconds is that
days are quantized.
Can you expound on this remark?
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to be proleptic Gregorian.
(ObOddity: It seems that in Israel, which is on UTC+3, the legal
day begins at 1800 local time the day before. This simplifies
the accommodation of Israeli and traditional Jewish law.)
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WELCOME TO censored
Manila solar time. This was a consequence of the Philippines
having been colonized and administered from Spanish America. Nowadays the
standard time of Acapulco is UTC-6; of Manila, UTC+8.
Q: What happened in the Philippines on December 31, 1844?
A: Nothing. It never existed.
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to share the same day.
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portrait of Mona Lisa good if I desire to see [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it? Is the bust of Sir Philip Crampton lyrical, http://ccil.org/~cowan
epical or dramatic? If a man hacking in fury
at a block
.
Not obvious that there is any difference - kind of a calendrical
Mach's Principle.
It is precisely the fact that there was no Wednesday in the Philippines
in that final week of 1845 that made it a time-zone rather than a
calendrical transition.
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that men are nothing but horn-dogs, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
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--Susan McCarthy (adapted)
(it should be 7 April,
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--Northrop Frye (improved)
rhythms
for lots more detail.
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No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor
Rob Seaman scripsit:
Of course, any old I, Claudius fan knows that Augustus was
originally named Octavius. Mere coincidence that the eighth child
would end up naming the eighth month?
Almost certainly. The eighth month was Sextilis, as July was originally
Quin(c)tilis.
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of the solar tides.
I read TCATS first, and recall it much better than ATFON.
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Heckler: Go on, Al, tell 'em all you know. It won't take long.
Al Smith: I'll tell 'em all we *both* know. It won't take any longer.
.
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--James Lileks
, not to say a laughingstock.
What is to prevent the IERS from issuing bogus leap second announcements?
[*] I am not referring here to the Islamic Republic of Iran.
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thou
to all.
A self-imposed constraint, I think.
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through sheer volume -- that is another
misconception
seconds will become more frequent in the future because
the Earth is decelerating.
3) Leap seconds occur irregularly because the Earth's deceleration
is not constant and in fact changes unpredictably.
Right?
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deceleration, or do
we not have enough data yet?
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--Susan McCarthy (adapted)
with
the civil time scale, because the random accelerations and decelerations
would cancel out in the long run. Of course, we'd have to tolerate larger
differences between clock time and terrestrial time, but we'd expect that.
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to the nearest second or two.
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I am wounded with knife, sting, and tooth,
and a long burden. Where shall
Rob Seaman scripsit:
Mucking with leap seconds is equivalent to redefining the
concept of a day.
Very true. And adopting the Egyptian-Roman calendar redefined
the concept of a month. Somehow civilization survived.
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I must confess
.
--Arthur C. Clarke, The Nine Billion Names of God
John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
astronomers insist on a fixed maximum for |DUT1|, no such table
can exist.
The proposal is this: look at the trends, take your best shot at
working out a leap-year schedule for 10 years in the future, and then
live with it.
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Elements
.
In this case there are really two questions: how much it would
cost to loosen DUT1 but leave it bounded, and how much it would
cost if it were only statistically, not absolutely, bounded.
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--Golda Meir
being made.
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--Bilbo
is not physical
interval time, but how much time has elapsed *in civil society*.
I think this point is quite sound, but I don't quite see what
its implications are (or why it makes rubber seconds better than
other kinds of adjustments).
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We want
the way? Is a civil
nanosecond one-billionth of a civil second, then? If so, how do we
build clocks that measure these intervals?
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No less / No more http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
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midnight.
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you're not a dog. --Bill de hOra http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
, the current guarantee is only
statistical, not absolute.
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After all, would you consider a man without honor wealthy, even if his
Dinar laid end to end would reach from here to the Temple of Toplat?
No, I wouldn't
that if the Earth hiccups on March 7, the
value of |DUT1| will not return to normal until May 31.
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The whole of Gaul is quartered into three halves.
-- Julius Caesar
Rob Seaman scripsit:
And, of course, a ship would not carry a single clock, but two or
more. Friendly ships meeting at sea would also exchange clock
readings - creating the first ensemble time scale. (Some things
never change.)
English passenger at Irish railway station, pointing to the
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