Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

2017-08-07 Thread Cathy Pinner 

Tom,
There is no equivalent to the US County Verifier for the UK - and 
there's no need for it that I can see. Yes the boundaries of UK counties 
change a little and I guess more recently - I have little research in UK 
post 1920 and even less post 197? when more changes were made?
However in the US, counties were formed and changed dramatically over 
their history. The US County Verifier will tell you that the county 
didn't exist for the date you've attached it to and is some help in 
finding the right county.
UK counties are the equivalents of US states. Counties are more like 
Parishes.
If by Location database you mean the downloadable Geolocation database. 
I haven't even downloaded it for years. Some find it helpful and others 
don't. It's most helpful for US locations. The Facebook group has files 
in the file section for how to use hidden features to make it more 
useful. I prefer simply to research the locations I come across and map 
them onto the Bing maps in Legacy myself if Bing can't find it (as it 
can't usually with historic names).


Where an equivalent to the US County Verifier would be useful is in 
Europe for the many country border changes there. The best tool for 
negotiating them is apparently the Centennia Historical Atlas.


It's your choice whether you follow Chris's practice of using empty 
commas for non-existent location parts in order to fit the US 4 field 
standard.
I won't. I only enter empty commas when I have yet to find a part of a 
location - eg I know the town but not the English county. town, , England
I simply sort my location list right to left. So I can highlight all 
locations in Dorset and then use the Show List tool (under the Options 
button) to get a list of everyone with some association with Dorset.


Also note that if you want to be a purist and keep addresses out of your 
location list, the tools and reports for the Address List are meager and 
very inferior to the tools and reports available for the location list. 
I also don't like the way addresses are entered or the way they're used 
in reports. So I don't use Legacy Event Addresses. Another reason is 
that unless you repeat it in the Description field of an Event, it is 
completely hidden.


Another place to find standard locations is FamilySearch. They've moved 
away from the 4 field "standard" for everywhere in the world.
When you enter locations in FamilySearch tree, you are asked to link the 
location to a "standard" location.


Legacy is a tool for doing genealogy. There are standards in genealogy 
and it's good to know them and to use them. If you break them, know why 
and what the consequences are.
I haven't found any negative consequences for doing locations as I do. 
There may be if you are writing for a professional journal.


Cathy

Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
Monday, 7 August 2017 7:29 PM
For the UK addresses, I normally use this structure - Banbury, ,
Oxfordshire, England - though there other options suggested in the Geo
Database lookups that you can use. If needed, I then add to the left 
of list
so that I can then get one like this - Milton Regis, Sittingbourne, , 
Kent,

England.

It is really your choice about how you want to record addresses, and I 
went

through my large database a few years ago to sort out all of the various
versions that I had been building over many years.

Similarly, I use these as well - Airdrie, , Alberta, Canada and 
Adelaide, ,

South Australia, Australia.

One 'fault' that I made was to include 'buildings', like this All Saints
Church, Poplar, London, England within the locations and not as a separate
address record. I am still clearing those out from my system.

I think the idea was for the location to relate to a general place, like a
village or town, and that the address would cover an explicit 
building, like

a church.

But, ultimately, it is your choice how to do it, but be aware that, if
exchanging data, the other parties may have a different view on how they
would treat it.

Regards

Chris - UK based

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Sent: 07 August 2017 12:07
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

I presume you are referring to options such as the US Counties 
Verification.

As far as I know there is no UK equivalent for this.
"English (UK) language" mainly means that you get English spellings.

If you look at Options>Customise you will see there are lots of 
choices you

can make about how dates, measurements, etc are displayed.

One thing you want to ignore if your research is largely in the UK is the
"encouragement" to use 4-field locations. UK places (whether or not you
choose to include street address in a location) do not fit into this 
mould.

Use as many fields as you want/need and then sort the list from right to
left (country, count

Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

2017-08-07 Thread Chris Hill 
For the UK addresses, I normally use this structure - Banbury, ,
Oxfordshire, England - though there other options suggested in the Geo
Database lookups that you can use. If needed, I then add to the left of list
so that I can then get one like this - Milton Regis, Sittingbourne, , Kent,
England. 

It is really your choice about how you want to record addresses, and I went
through my large database a few years ago to sort out all of the various
versions that I had been building over many years. 

Similarly, I use these as well - Airdrie, , Alberta, Canada and Adelaide, ,
South Australia, Australia.

One 'fault' that I made was to include 'buildings', like this All Saints
Church, Poplar, London, England within the locations and not as a separate
address record. I am still clearing those out from my system.

I think the idea was for the location to relate to a general place, like a
village or town, and that the address would cover an explicit building, like
a church.

But, ultimately, it is your choice how to do it, but be aware that, if
exchanging data, the other parties may have a different view on how they
would treat it.

Regards

Chris - UK based 

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Sent: 07 August 2017 12:07
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

On 07-Aug-17 11:40 AM, Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have 
> specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the 
> program have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be 
> changed to the UK counties. Or is this possible in the full version.

I presume you are referring to options such as the US Counties Verification.
As far as I know there is no UK equivalent for this. 
"English (UK) language" mainly means that you get English spellings.

If you look at Options>Customise you will see there are lots of choices you
can make about how dates, measurements, etc are displayed.

One thing you want to ignore if your research is largely in the UK is the
"encouragement" to use 4-field locations.  UK places (whether or not you
choose to include street address in a location) do not fit into this mould.
Use as many fields as you want/need and then sort the list from right to
left (country, county, city, etc) so the grouping is correct.

Legacy is, of course, a program developed in the US by Americans so it does
have an American bias (as do the wonderful Legacy Webinars - have you
discovered them yet?) but don't let that put you off.

--
Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/

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Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

2017-08-07 Thread Jenny M Benson 

On 07-Aug-17 11:40 AM, Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have 
specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the 
program have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be 
changed to the UK counties. Or is this possible in the full version.


I presume you are referring to options such as the US Counties 
Verification.  As far as I know there is no UK equivalent for this. 
"English (UK) language" mainly means that you get English spellings.


If you look at Options>Customise you will see there are lots of choices 
you can make about how dates, measurements, etc are displayed.


One thing you want to ignore if your research is largely in the UK is 
the "encouragement" to use 4-field locations.  UK places (whether or not 
you choose to include street address in a location) do not fit into this 
mould.  Use as many fields as you want/need and then sort the list from 
right to left (country, county, city, etc) so the grouping is correct.


Legacy is, of course, a program developed in the US by Americans so it 
does have an American bias (as do the wonderful Legacy Webinars - have 
you discovered them yet?) but don't let that put you off.


--
Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/

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Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

2017-08-07 Thread Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup 
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Hi Cathy

One point is the place tools: location database and the US county verifier.
Is this not changeable to the UK county verifier?

Tom

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017, 11:49 am Cathy Pinner,  wrote:

> Tom,
> Do you mean in the Location List? Look under the Sort button and change
> to Generic if it bothers you. I use generic. I enter locations from
> smallest unit to country and sort the list right to left.
>
> There's no difference in the Deluxe version from that point of view -
> are Maps a Deluxe feature? I think so.
>
> SourceWriter Templates can also use US geographical parts for locations.
> I just ignore them and use them for whatever I think is appropriate.
>
> My research is basically in England and Australia. I'm a long term
> Legacy user and Legacy tester.
>
> Cathy
>
> Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have
> > specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the
> > program have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be
> > changed to the UK counties. Or is this possible in the full version.
> > Tom Beckham
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] UK version

2017-08-07 Thread Cathy Pinner 

Tom,
Do you mean in the Location List? Look under the Sort button and change 
to Generic if it bothers you. I use generic. I enter locations from 
smallest unit to country and sort the list right to left.


There's no difference in the Deluxe version from that point of view - 
are Maps a Deluxe feature? I think so.


SourceWriter Templates can also use US geographical parts for locations. 
I just ignore them and use them for whatever I think is appropriate.


My research is basically in England and Australia. I'm a long term 
Legacy user and Legacy tester.


Cathy

Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup wrote:


Hello,
I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have 
specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the 
program have US part i.e the state/counties. Is it possible to be 
changed to the UK counties. Or is this possible in the full version.

Tom Beckham



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[LegacyUG] UK version

2017-08-07 Thread Tom Beckham via LegacyUserGroup 
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I have just installed the basic version of Legacy. Although I have
specified uk English language.  I can see that certain parts of the program
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counties. Or is this possible in the full version.
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