[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-04-02 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 10:08:27PM -0500, Richard Fontana wrote: > I just skimmed through the Fedora packaging guidelines and the > FESCo-related documentation and didn't seem to find anything on this > sort of topic. I think the relevant policy is under the FPC, in the packaging guidelines:

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-11 Thread Florian Weimer
* Tim Flink: > 4. Is it acceptable to package code which downloads pre-trained weights from > a non-Fedora source upon first use post-installation by a user if that model > and its associated weights are >a. For a specific model? >b. For a user-defined model which may or may not exist

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-04 Thread Benson Muite
On 04/03/2024 18.44, Ben Beasley wrote: > If you want to apply additional review to neural net coefficients, I > suppose you might as well start with those already packaged in > stockfish[1]. (I CC’d the stockfish-maintainers email alias to loop in > the primary maintainer. I am a co-maintainer,

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-04 Thread Ben Beasley
If you want to apply additional review to neural net coefficients, I suppose you might as well start with those already packaged in stockfish[1]. (I CC’d the stockfish-maintainers email alias to loop in the primary maintainer. I am a co-maintainer, and I did the original package review.)

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 10:40 PM Richard Fontana wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 10:25 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > At this point, this discussion is a bit much. > > > > We have game engines with data file downloaders for demo content, we > > have web browsers that auto-download things on launch,

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Richard Fontana
On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 10:25 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > At this point, this discussion is a bit much. > > We have game engines with data file downloaders for demo content, we > have web browsers that auto-download things on launch, and so on. > > If you're really worried about it, tweak pytorch to

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 10:08 PM Richard Fontana wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 5:38 PM Tim Flink wrote: > > > > pip, as an example is intended to allow users to install python packages > > > sourced from outside Fedora repos. I don't believe that software which > > > used pip after

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Richard Fontana
On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 5:38 PM Tim Flink wrote: > > pip, as an example is intended to allow users to install python packages > > sourced from outside Fedora repos. I don't believe that software which > > used pip after installation with no direct user interaction would be > > allowed in Fedora.

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Tim Flink
On 3/1/24 15:32, Tim Flink wrote: On 3/1/24 14:54, Neal Gompa wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 4:52 PM Tim Flink wrote: On 2/28/24 19:03, Richard Fontana wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:58 PM Tim Flink wrote: On 2/26/24 19:06, Richard Fontana wrote: 4. Is it acceptable to package

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Tim Flink
On 3/1/24 14:54, Neal Gompa wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 4:52 PM Tim Flink wrote: On 2/28/24 19:03, Richard Fontana wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:58 PM Tim Flink wrote: On 2/26/24 19:06, Richard Fontana wrote: 4. Is it acceptable to package code which downloads pre-trained

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 5:20 PM Richard Fontana wrote: > > Following Tim's explanations of various things, here are revised > answers to the questions: > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:32 PM Tim Flink wrote: > > > Questions > > = > > > > 1. Are pre-trained weights considered to be normal

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Richard Fontana
Following Tim's explanations of various things, here are revised answers to the questions: On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:32 PM Tim Flink wrote: > Questions > = > > 1. Are pre-trained weights considered to be normal non-code content/data or > do they require special handling? For Fedora

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Richard Fontana
On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 4:54 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > This sounds like it falls in the same bucket as pip, snapd, gem, and > other similar "package manager" functionality. I agree, that's a good analogy. Richard -- ___ legal mailing list --

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 4:52 PM Tim Flink wrote: > > On 2/28/24 19:03, Richard Fontana wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:58 PM Tim Flink wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2/26/24 19:06, Richard Fontana wrote: > >> > >> > >> > 4. Is it acceptable to package code which downloads pre-trained

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-03-01 Thread Tim Flink
On 2/28/24 19:03, Richard Fontana wrote: On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:58 PM Tim Flink wrote: On 2/26/24 19:06, Richard Fontana wrote: 4. Is it acceptable to package code which downloads pre-trained weights from a non-Fedora source upon first use post-installation by a user if that model

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-02-28 Thread Richard Fontana
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:58 PM Tim Flink wrote: > > > > On 2/26/24 19:06, Richard Fontana wrote: > > > > >> 4. Is it acceptable to package code which downloads pre-trained weights > >> from a non-Fedora source upon first use post-installation by a user if > >> that model and its associated

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-02-27 Thread Tim Flink
On 2/26/24 19:06, Richard Fontana wrote: 4. Is it acceptable to package code which downloads pre-trained weights from a non-Fedora source upon first use post-installation by a user if that model and its associated weights are a. For a specific model? b. For a user-defined model

[Fedora-legal-list] Re: AI/ML Model and Pre-Trained Weight Packaging in Fedora

2024-02-26 Thread Richard Fontana
On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 6:32 PM Tim Flink wrote: > 1. Are pre-trained weights considered to be normal non-code content/data or > do they require special handling? My thought is that they should be considered "content" for Fedora packaging purposes. The legal docs say: "For purposes of Fedora