2009/7/3 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com:
Indeed. Consider what you would say if a lawyer looked at a program
and said Why do we need all this codese?
Speaking as a lawyer - albeit one who hasn't been on this list nearly
long enough to have an opinion, I'm mostly just trying to learn where
OSM
Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes:
The licence should not try to impose additional restrictions on
people beyond their own country's copyright law (and other applicable
laws such as database right).
In which case OSM becomes public domain.
Are you saying that the OSM data, currently
Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes:
the personal use only stuff comes into the terms of service. you
don't need to agree - it's simply a statement by OSMF that the site is
intended for personal use and that any non-personal use of the site
may result in service being withdrawn.
Hmm. I guess not
Hello to all OSM users,
we're planning on creating printed materials which will include OSM maps.
Does the new license allow us to do so?
What kind of disclaimer should be used in print media?
Thank you.
George.
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Ulf Möller wrote:
It doesn't. It's just that during a review of the proposed license, a
lawyer pointed out that it is good practice to have terms of use for the
website. That recommendation would still stand if we chose not to change
the license.
I can't really comprehend
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Francis Davey wrote:
Put the lawyer back in the cage.
Be nice 8-). This isn't (as far as I can see) about lawyers being
unreasonable.
I just get the impression that some people have had so much to do with lawyers
while trying to get the database licence organised that
Hello Frederik,
thanks for the quick reply.
One more quick question, just to be sure: how should we handle
printing media in CC-BY-SA terms?
Is printing ©OpenStreetMap - CC-BY-SA on the map enough to ensure I'm
complying with current OSM license?
Thanks.
George.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:32 PM,
Hi,
Brendan Barrett wrote:
What happens if someone, with malicious intent, deletes lots of data or
uploads things that cause trouble (e.g. upload Teleatlas data, then tip
off Teleatlas to make trouble). Do we reserve the right to sue them for
damages, and if so, would this agreement be the
Hi,
George Ionescu wrote:
One more quick question, just to be sure: how should we handle
printing media in CC-BY-SA terms?
Is printing ©OpenStreetMap - CC-BY-SA on the map enough to ensure I'm
complying with current OSM license?
If you have enough room then we prefer the URLs for OSM and CC
Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Contributor_Terms
Should say: You agree to only add contents for which you are the copyright
holder, *or which are in the public domain*, *or which already have permission
from the rights holder to distribute
Hi,
Ed Avis wrote:
Should say: You agree to only add contents for which you are the copyright
holder, *or which are in the public domain*, *or which already have permission
from the rights holder to distribute under Licence X*, or where you have
explicit
permission from the rights holder to
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes:
Many websites have terms and conditions (eg amazon
and tesco) and they do so because using those sites goes beyond just
having a browse but involves rather more interaction (including the
handing over of money).
In the case of OSM things don't go that far
2009/7/3 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com:
Yes, which is why a contributor agreement is needed - but that does not mean
you need a set of terms and conditions just to *read* the site.
Yes and as is I hope clear from what I have written (although your use
of the word but suggests possibly not) I do
Hi,
Ed Avis wrote:
ODbL, as fast as I understand, does not permit re-licensing, which means
that even if you have other data that is ODbL licensed, you cannot
upload it to OSM without express permission of the license holder.
But if OSM also adoped ODbL then no re-licensing would be
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes:
Yes, which is why a contributor agreement is needed - but that does not mean
you need a set of terms and conditions just to *read* the site.
Yes and as is I hope clear from what I have written (although your use
of the word but suggests possibly not) I do not
2009/7/3 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com:
Hmm, I think I would argue that 'use of the data' is no consideration at all
since I would have been able to use it anyway even without agreeing to the
terms. For example if I publish a copy of the King James Bible with a
'contract' at the front, and the
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
Ed Avis wrote:
ODbL, as fast as I understand, does not permit re-licensing, which means
that even if you have other data that is ODbL licensed, you cannot
upload it to OSM without express permission of the license
Ed Avis wrote:
Richard Fairhurst rich...@... writes:
I kind of think it should be compulsory for anyone posting to legal-talk
to
demonstrate that they have read, and understood, Rural vs Feist and
Mason vs
Montgomery.
I will read those (anyone got a link?).
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote:
Francis Davey fjm...@... writes:
Therefore, granting permission on the data can only be a real consideration
when there is some pre-existing law which means the other party needs such
permission. That can be copyright law, database
No, i can't :( I was hoping that there is someone who could.
Still hoping ..
Sorry
Martin
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Martin wrote:
I would like to know if it is allowed to trace over the maps from:
http://www.ml-datos.com/4/ficheros/mapas/marruecos/IGN%201-250.000/
Can you point us at a
Hi Elizabeth
Thanks for analysis! This map series are more reliable than the others
and would be very valuable.
They belong to the Institute Geographique Nationale from morocco and
could be public domain, but i don't know.
Martin
Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Martin wrote:
I
I already made a changeset based on that before i realised the unknown
state of copyright:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1712798
How to remove that?
Thanks
Martin
Martin wrote:
Hi
I would like to know if it is allowed to trace over the maps from:
El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, Martin escribió:
They belong to the Institute Geographique Nationale from morocco and
could be public domain, but i don't know.
No, no, no. They are indeed from the Institute Geographique Nationale, but not
from Morocco. From France. See www.ign.fr and
So i will dig through
http://www.ign.fr/page.do?externalRef=instit.document.cms.id.mentionsLegales
and probably ask them about.
Thanks
Martin
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
El Viernes, 3 de Julio de 2009, Martin escribió:
They belong to the Institute Geographique Nationale from morocco and
Ed Avis schrieb:
If it is not possible to take one ODbL-licensed work, and combine it
with another ODbL-licensed work to make a third ODbL-licensed work,
then either the ODbL is even worse than it first appears, or the
proposed OSM implementation of it is flawed.
The ODbL certainly allows
Matt Amos zerebub...@... writes:
if it's in the public domain then you already have permission from the
copyright holder. also, having permission from the rights holder to
distribute under License X is the same thing as having permission from
the rights holder to submit the content, no?
Well,
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