[OSM-legal-talk] Remapping - tags and practice

2011-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hi all, As the licence change draws on, we will inevitably be looking at remapping objects touched by a decliner. I'm interested in how we (as users) tackle something like this: user A (agrees) surveys and maps user B (agrees) refines geometry and tags user C (agrees)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-05 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:53 PM,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-05 Thread Andreas Perstinger
John Smith deltafoxtrot256@... writes: On 5 July 2011 05:42, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaakko@... wrote: But nevertheless _I_ would say that copyright/IPR-wise there's 0% left of anything protectable if (1) someone's e.g. traced a road from imagery, but has only marked it with, say,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-05 Thread Jaakko Helleranta.com
David, My point was to note that being influenced by, being (somewhat) derived from and being a derivativer work are all different things. Period. Additionally I wanted to describe an example where one mapper goes about and produces a simple yet copyrighted work (via arm-chair mapping) and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 July 2011 02:49, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: I doubt if any effort in re-creating a map database of the real world can be classified as creative work, as the mapper inevitably tries to copy reality to the best of his effort, and any deviation is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-05 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hi, John Smith writes: On 4 July 2011 22:44, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO the node position is never a derived work when it is updated. So for the case of the untagged node (if isolated an not part of a way, i.e. unlikely) we could keep the whole object. The

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes

2011-07-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: In both cases, either tagging something as clean or deleting and re-adding assumes good faith, we already know people copy data from incompatible sources, what's to stop someone simple cutting and pasting data or mass tagging ways as clean? Nothing. But assuming good