Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Simon Poole
I personally can't see enough wiggle room both in the ODbL and the CTs to make any dataset generated by geocoding and/or reverse geocoding anything else than a derivative database. It is just the ODbL working as intended. We went through a lot of effort to get from a broken to a functional

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Alex Barth
I'd hate to see us give up here, there is too much at stake. The open questions around geocoding are doing OSM a disservice just as CC-BY-SA did. This is from a commercial community member's perspective just as an individual's, assuming we all want a better open map. Opening OSM to geocoding

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Mikel Maron
-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US I'd hate to see us give up here, there is too much at stake. The open questions around geocoding are doing OSM a disservice just as CC-BY-SA did. This is from a commercial community member's perspective just as an individual's, assuming we all want a better

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 25.10.2012 17:30, Mikel Maron wrote: I don't see the issue with companies complying with like-for-like. There is some logistical burden, but that could be offloaded by geocoding services. +1 - I think we're all (including LWG) still waiting for concrete use case where somebody says:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Mikel Maron
a...@mapbox.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US +1 for examples. I'm working on pulling some together. The like for like principle overlooks that data submitted

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Alex Barth
On Oct 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: +1 for examples. I'm working on pulling some together. The like for like principle overlooks that data submitted to geocoders can be sensitive for privacy or IP reasons. Think of geocoding patient data, client data, suppliers

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Alex Barth
s:mikelmaron From: Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US +1 for examples. I'm working on pulling some together. The like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: And this is where SA gets really hairy. It's entirely possible and actually quite common that part of a database that contains private data is public. E. g. public facing web sites that are powered from a Salesforce DB

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/10/24 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: As has been noted in the Public Domain subset thread, the contributors can make license statement that they like, but the OSMF can still enforce the database rights. So a statement by the contributors (e.g. on OSM wiki) that is not confirmed by

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-24 Thread Alex Barth
On Oct 23, 2012, at 10:37 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: As has been noted in the Public Domain subset thread, the contributors can make license statement that they like, but the OSMF can still enforce the database rights. So a statement by the contributors (e.g. on OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-24 Thread Paul Norman
From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US A related question is whether any agreement like that can be made within the Contributor Terms. With the thread about the Public Domain OSM subset when someone said that the PD

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-23 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi Frederik, On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/23/12 01:24, Alex Barth wrote: Another question that we could ask to enlighten us is: What do commercial geocoding providers usually allow you to do once you have paid them? When you geocode

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-23 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi, On 23 October 2012 11:44, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: ... During the license change discussion, my position was often this: Instead of trying to codify everything in watertight legalese, let's just make the data PD and write a human-readable moral contract that lists things

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-22 Thread Paul Norman
From: Alex Barth [mailto:a...@mapbox.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:25 PM To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Cc: talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US Fair point. Still - I would ask what is the purpose of this protection