Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-09 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frederik@... writes: The contributor terms create a situation where OSMF can actually make a reliable statement expressing the community interpretation of certain points of the license, Thinking about it, I am not sure this is the case. If the OSMF has an agreement with mappers

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2011 20:38, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that this is the (only) critical issue. To be open contributions need to be given freely and without restriction, so as to avoid the current

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Ed Avis
I think it would make more sense to work with the Creative Commons people on CC-BY-SA version 4, so we can upgrade licences without deleting any data or requiring every contributor to transfer rights to the OSMF. Then everyone could just keep on mapping. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 April 2011 16:55, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: I think it would make more sense to work with the Creative Commons people on CC-BY-SA version 4, so we can upgrade licences without deleting any data or requiring every contributor to transfer rights to the OSMF. Then everyone could

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Rob Myers
On 08/04/11 07:55, Ed Avis wrote: I think it would make more sense to work with the Creative Commons people on CC-BY-SA version 4, so we can upgrade licences without deleting any data or requiring every contributor to transfer rights to the OSMF. Then everyone could just keep on mapping.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin Peat
On 8 April 2011 11:38, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ed, transfer rights to the OSMF I believe that this is the (only) critical issue. To be open contributions need to be given freely and without restriction, so as to avoid the current situation where some contributors

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Ed Avis
Kevin Peat kevin@... writes: I read recently (not sure if true) that Libreoffice in their fork from Openoffice had abandoned CT's and seen a big increase in contributors. I wonder if introducing CT's will have the opposite impact on OSM. I've seen this sentiment expressed:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/08/2011 10:21 AM, Rob Myers wrote: I think it would make more sense to work with the Creative Commons people on CC-BY-SA version 4, so we can upgrade licences without deleting any data or requiring every contributor to transfer rights to the OSMF. Then everyone could just keep on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: to transfer rights to the OSMF. But, you still own rights to the data you contributed (you can give it however you want to anybody else). You're just giving OSMF the permission to release your data as part of a database.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frederik@... writes: Also, Ed, I think that your wording transfer rights to the OSMF wrong because under the new scheme rights are not transferred, just granted. Eugene Alvin Villar also pointed this out; I should have written 'grant rights to the OSMF'. One of the major

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread 80n
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 04/08/2011 10:21 AM, Rob Myers wrote: I think it would make more sense to work with the Creative Commons people on CC-BY-SA version 4, so we can upgrade licences without deleting any data or requiring every

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/08/2011 05:05 PM, Ed Avis wrote: I.e. even if we were planning to switch to CC-BY-SA 4, the Contributor Terms would still make a lot of sense. Well, in that particular case, the automatic forward compatibility of CC-BY-SA would take care of it. I was trying to say that even if we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Ed Avis
Frederik Ramm frederik@... writes: For example, we have this situation now where we say if you make a web application and display your layer in a separatable fashion over an OSM layer, this is not a derived work, but a collective work. The contributor terms create a situation where OSMF can

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Simon Poole
Am 08.04.2011 17:05, schrieb Ed Avis: Frederik Rammfrederik@... writes: I.e. even if we were planning to switch to CC-BY-SA 4, the Contributor Terms would still make a lot of sense. Well, in that particular case, the automatic forward compatibility of CC-BY-SA would take care of it.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Ed Avis
Simon Poole simon@... writes: The OSMF has a binding contract with a large number of mappers, representing a substantial part (actually the majority) of the OSM data, that specifies CC-by-SA 2.0, ODbL 1.0 and DbCL 1.0 or a vote on a new license. As I understand it, the automatic upgrade clause in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Francis Davey
On 8 April 2011 18:10, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Interesting.  So in your view the newer CTs restrict the OSMF in certain ways that wouldn't be the case if mappers simply licensed their data to the OSMF under CC-BY-SA 2.0.  I suppose that by the same logic the automatic upgrade

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-08 Thread Simon Poole
Am 08.04.2011 19:10, schrieb Ed Avis: Simon Poolesimon@... writes: The OSMF has a binding contract with a large number of mappers, representing a substantial part (actually the majority) of the OSM data, that specifies CC-by-SA 2.0, ODbL 1.0 and DbCL 1.0 or a vote on a new license. As I

[OSM-legal-talk] Compliance timeline

2011-04-07 Thread Nick Hocking
I read on one of these lists that it may take up to a year for compliance to the licence/ct to be effected. Is there a way to shorten this process for Australia, since until all the Australian OSM data is compliant, there is little point in anyone doing any real mapping here. Nick