Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-24 Thread SomeoneElse
On 24/08/2010 11:35, Ed Avis wrote: ... under the proposed ODbL or whether it would technically be in breach of the contract-law provisions But presumably I as Joe Mapper wouldn't be restricted in going back to the OS with a bunch of errors that I've found after comparing what I've mapped

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-23 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
andrzej zaborowski balr...@... writes: That's what I think the plan is. However it is made very difficult by the fact that those data providers most likely chose their SA licenses in order to be able to use any improvements made on top of their data, which we are planning to very soon make

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-22 Thread Mike Collinson
At 10:46 AM 14/08/2010, Rob Myers wrote: On 08/14/2010 07:33 AM, Liz wrote: If you believe, like many data donors, that the attribution must be preserved, then a licence which incorporates the viral provisions is necessary. The ODbL does incorporate attribution. From a given work you can find

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-22 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: 80n 80n...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 5:44 PM,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL - a philosophical point

2010-08-22 Thread 80n
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:50 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.netwrote: - Original Message - From: 80n 80n...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is

[OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread Mike Collinson
At 10:11 AM 13/08/2010, 80n wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:47 PM, David Groom mailto:revi...@pacific-rim.netrevi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: b) Ignoring the Yahoo data, but taking any data that may have had a PD or CC-BY-SA clause that has be used in import, since these are general permissions

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread Liz
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, Mike Collinson wrote: Personal conclusion: The CC-BY-SA license are great on fully creative works. It was never intended to be applied to highly factual data and information, and if it is, it is vague and confusing. If you believe strongly in pandemic virality, then it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread 80n
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: At 10:11 AM 13/08/2010, 80n wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 11:47 PM, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: b) Ignoring the Yahoo data, but taking any data that may have had a PD or CC-BY-SA clause that has be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Michael Collinson wrote: I have moved this from [OSM-talk] Voluntary re-licensing begins to legal talk as it is worth further discussion in view of dilemmas faced by our Australian community. I understand that CC-BY-SA is currently a preferred vehicle for releasing government data. Is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 August 2010 18:46, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Is it? I thought most of the Australian Government data was CC-BY - a much easier problem. To the best of my knowledge you are correct. Perhaps he was thinking of some other country that has had cc-by-sa data imported?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 August 2010 19:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I might miss the point: but why do some governments put their data under cc-by or cc-by-sa licenses if those are not suitable for data but only for works? That was Liz's point, and they usually have more lawyers than we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread Kevin Peat
On 14 August 2010 10:14, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 August 2010 10:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I might miss the point: but why do some governments put their data under cc-by or cc-by-sa licenses if those are not suitable for data but only for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Francis Davey wrote: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote Is it? I thought most of the Australian Government data was CC-BY - a much easier problem. But still incompatible with the contributor terms in the sense that a CC-BY licensee does not have sufficient rights to agree to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: In order to submit CC-BY-SA under the contributor terms you need to give OSMF rights that you don't possess. CC-BY-SA does not grant you a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable license to do any act that is restricted by copyright and so

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA is compatible with ODbL?

2010-08-14 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: However, lets suppose (hope?) that the CT's are changed so they're no longer a problem. The question still remains as to whether CC-By or CC-By-SA are compatible with ODbL+DbCL. If the work is