Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 10:35:21AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Simon Ward wrote: this could mean that anyone running osm2pgsql importing minutely data updates would possibly have to make available a ''psql dump of the whole planet'' for any snapshot time where someone cares to request

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Dair Grant
Frederik Ramm wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else seems to see a problem in this. Am I perhaps barking up some completely imaginary tree? Not at all; I am still reading through the draft, and have exactly the same concern. It may be I have misunderstood how this is intended to apply, but I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/3/1 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm surprised that nobody else seems to see a problem in this. Am I perhaps barking up some completely imaginary tree? Nope, not at all, I'm exceptionally concerned about the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread MJ Ray
Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: With the GPL, the right to request the source is attached to receiving and using the binary. Withe the AGPL it is attached to being a user of the service. You can't just wander by and say hey! please can I have the source?, you have to be a user of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Frederik Ramm wrote: We need to clarify this once and for all: Where exactly in the following typical rendering chain does the thing cease to be a database in our definition? * download (section of) OSM data * make changes to OSM data * render OSM data into vector graphics format

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-03-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dair Grant wrote: It may be I have misunderstood how this is intended to apply, but I think both 4.6a and 4.6b end up making derivative databases (effectively any mechanical processing of the original content whatsoever, IMO) problematic. In many cases, generating a file containing all

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-02-28 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 10:58:04PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Having to grant access to pgsql data base --- In this use case we look at someone who does nothing more than taking OSM data and rearranging it according to fixed rules, e.g. by running it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Lawyer responses to use cases, major problems

2009-02-28 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Simon Ward si...@... writes: The lawyer's answer is: Need clarification here. From my reading, this example would seem to constitute a Derivative Database under the ODbL. It’s a database, derived from the original. To me it’s a derived database. It does need clarifying to say just