Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-22 Thread Kari Pihkala
I counted the votes for PD license so far. Sorry, if I have missed anyone!! Jordan S Hatcher: PDDL Joseph Gentle: Wikipedia PD / PDDL Nic Roets: Wikipedia PD Sebastian Spaeth: Wikipedia PD Rob Myers: CC Zero (Wikipedia PD) Gustav Foseid: CC Zero / Wikipedia PD According to this, Wikipedia style

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-22 Thread Joseph Gentle
I'm happy with that. Thankyou :) -J On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Kari Pihkala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I counted the votes for PD license so far. Sorry, if I have missed anyone!! Jordan S Hatcher: PDDL Joseph Gentle: Wikipedia PD / PDDL Nic Roets: Wikipedia PD Sebastian Spaeth:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we get a vague show of hands about what people think of this? I +1 for the wikipedia version. http://cr.yp.to/publicdomain.html ___ legal-talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Wikipedia version is the best current PD Dedication but I really would recommend waiting on CC Zero. CC Zero explicitly mentions database rights, which I think is a good thing, but I would be ahppy with the Wikipedia

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Joseph Gentle
We won't have all the data under one license though. Never will if we're incorporating TIGER data and data from other governments. I don't think its that big a deal - we could just say if you edit a node, your edits are also under the same PD license as the node is currently under or something.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Joseph Gentle wrote: We won't have all the data under one license though. Never will if we're incorporating TIGER data and data from other governments. Yeah you will - a single PD disclaimer of rights (PDDL, CC0, Wikipedia-like, WTFPL, doesn't really matter), with an attribution/disclaimer

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 02:17:46AM +1100, Joseph Gentle wrote: We won't have all the data under one license though. Never will if we're incorporating TIGER data and data from other governments. Exactly, the point to keep in mind here is that you don’t relicense stuff (at least not without much

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-21 Thread Kari Pihkala
Exactly. I wouldn't like to see nodes with a license tag. Once again, it over-complicates things. Or do you want people asking, which PD data can they use and which they cannot?? Importing PD data (such as TIGER) into OSM/PD isn't a problem. PD is PD. I vote for the Wikipedia PD style of public

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: The more complex thing is that some jurisdictions make it really difficult for you to give away your rights so generously. Which is a splendid reason to use WTFPL, reproduced here in its entirety: DO WHAT THE FUCK YOU WANT TO PUBLIC LICENSE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread 80n
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 80n wrote: Perhaps PD is not as simple as it seems at first sight. The thing that is simple about PD is what contributors want - they simply want to make the data available to anyone, forever, without

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Gentle
Sorry, I've been busy writing up research proposals and whatnot. I'm starting a phd next year (woohoo!). I don't like the standard creative commons PD license. Their CC-zero license is ok, but not finished. Here's the wikipedia license from earlier in the thread: I, the copyright holder of this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Joseph Gentle wrote: However, I'm a bit nervous about the ODC PD license abandoning the publisher's moral rights. That means I can legally come along and say that I drew all the maps myself; or I could draw offensive pictures out of your roads and say that was you. I don't mind if people

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Joseph Gentle
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I take back what I previously said to 80n about all PD advocates being on the same page ;-) We're very close, and we don't have to agree. Data published with free non-viral licenses can coexist peacefully. We're really

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Joseph Gentle wrote: I don't understand the use case for people passing off my work as their own. I don't either. But trying to force *anything* onto your users means that you cannot let go of the data - you're then automatically entering this whole license swamp because where you make

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-20 Thread Ian Sergeant
Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats not true. I don't think the US Government has waived their moral rights regarding the TIGER data. As I understand it, placing work in the public domain does not automatically waive your moral rights on the work. Moral rights are a very murky,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain, OSM Data

2008-10-18 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
On 15 Oct 2008, at 14:04, John Wilbanks wrote: Jordan Hatcher is the author of the Public Domain Dedication License by the way, not CC. However, the PDDL is the only license that SC currently certifies as compliant with the protocol - CC Zero isn't there yet. Yep! BTW, I have changed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-16 Thread Peter Miller
Don't set up too much of your own structure just yet, because it is very well possible that it makes sense to fly under the flag OpenStreetMap/PD once things are a bit clearer, but you cannot possibly expect many from OSM to endorse the thing when so little is clear about it... personally, I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-16 Thread Peter Miller
What does OSM Foundation think about the PD repository? Would it make sense to host both licences under the name OpenStreetMap or would it be confusing? How much OSMF wants to be part of the PD version? After all I think most of the decisions will be the same for both (e.g. deciding about tags,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-16 Thread Kari Pihkala
I created a wiki page for the public domain map, have a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Public_Domain_Map . There is also a link from the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Open_Data_License to the new page. I listed all public domain licenses - we need to decide which one to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Starting Repository For Public Domain OSM Data

2008-10-15 Thread Joseph Gentle
I was looking at the OSGeo data committee wondering where their data was as they seem to have the same goals as us. I don't think picking the right PD license will be a particularly large hurdle. It is certainly less complicated than selecting a share-alike license :) The wikipedia pd license