Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-07-07 Thread James Livingston
On 16 June 2011 21:08, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 06/16/11 12:31, Dermot McNally wrote: Not quite, based on what Richard is saying. It would allow future relicensing but only if the new licence remained compatible with the terms seen to be required by the OS (currently

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-07-06 Thread Kai Krueger
Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: On 16 June 2011 09:55, Richard Fairhurst lt;rich...@systemed.netgt; wrote: Robert Whittaker wrote: A major purpose of the CTs is to ensure that all the data remaining in OSM is suitable for re-licensing under any Free and Open license without the need for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-07-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 July 2011 04:03, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Although it still seems to be controversial how clause 1 and 2 of the CT interact, with the recent draft intent of the LWG to issue a clarifying statement[1] that indeed data only has to be compatible with the current license and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Francis Davey
2011/6/16 David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net: As a slightly supplementary question of what to do with data from those users who have not agreed to the CT's can I make the following suggestion. Given that we obviously want to move forward with a clean database untainted by any data which

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 16 June 2011 07:58, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: The right question - when considering deletions - is, can the OSMF use this dataset as part of the OSM. That is a question of compatibility between the original licence (in this case the OS Opendata licence) and the way in which OSMF

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Robert Whittaker wrote: A major purpose of the CTs is to ensure that all the data remaining in OSM is suitable for re-licensing under any Free and Open license without the need for further checks. No, that hasn't been the case since Contributor Terms 1.2 were proposed in November 2010 and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
(continuing from previous message, d'oh) In the event of a future relicensing, LWG and the community would need to check existing data and delete it if so. See also CT 1.2.x 1b which explicitly envisages this possibility: if we suspect that any contributed data is incompatible, (in the sense

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/16/11 10:55, Richard Fairhurst wrote: In the event of a future relicensing, LWG and the community would need to check existing data and delete it if so. Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of checking existing data is just too high? I mean,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread TimSC
On 16/06/11 11:00, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 06/16/11 10:55, Richard Fairhurst wrote: In the event of a future relicensing, LWG and the community would need to check existing data and delete it if so. Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Dermot McNally
On 16 June 2011 11:00, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of checking existing data is just too high? I mean, how would one even *begin* to perform such a check, given that nobody is actually obliged to tell us

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 06/16/11 12:31, Dermot McNally wrote: Does that not effectively rule out any future relicensing because the burden of checking existing data is just too high? I mean, how would one even *begin* to perform such a check, given that nobody is actually obliged to tell us what license

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 16 June 2011 09:55, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Robert Whittaker wrote: A major purpose of the CTs is to ensure that all the data remaining in OSM is suitable for re-licensing under any Free and Open license without the need for further checks. No, that hasn't been the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-16 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey (continuing from previous message, d'oh) In the event of a future

[OSM-legal-talk] data derived from UK Ordnace Survey

2011-06-15 Thread David Groom
As a slightly supplementary question of what to do with data from those users who have not agreed to the CT's can I make the following suggestion. Given that we obviously want to move forward with a clean database untainted by any data which might be incompatible with future licences, AND