(IMHO naturally) From a content pov, an agreement or a statement from a contributing agency should be based roughly on the terms laid down in the contributor terms (http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms). They should mainly grant the OSMF the rights listed in (2) and it would be nice if they would make a statement to the fact that they actually own the necessary rights in the data to do so.
Simon Am 20.11.2013 20:28, schrieb Fernando Trebien: > It's a very similar situation indeed, Jaakko. Here such forms would > take years to get processed sometimes, it all depends on the good will > of who receives the request. I've noticed that this "will" is more > responsive when the person knows how to answer, or at least knows who > to delegate the request to (specially if this person is not a very > specialized busy top manager), so simple and easy questions are more > effective at getting a clear answer faster. > > Wish you luck as well! > > Fernando > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com > <jaa...@helleranta.com <mailto:jaa...@helleranta.com>> wrote: > > Same situation in Nicaragua. Many here say: Oh, it's all public > domain! .. where they merely mean, We have it and can give it to > you. Or: It's online and no one will protest (immediately at > least) if you put it in OSM. > > The written permission (for which there are existing forms) is > critical -- and I'm afraid that you'll likely not get that... > > Wishing you all the best, of course. > > Cheers, > -Jaakko > > -- > jaa...@helleranta.com <mailto:jaa...@helleranta.com> * Skype: > jhelleranta * Mobile: +505-8845-3391 (Nicaragua) * Voice(mail) / > SMS / What's app: +1-202-730-9778 <tel:%2B1-202-730-9778> > * http://about.me/jaakkoh > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Fernando Trebien > <fernando.treb...@gmail.com <mailto:fernando.treb...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > Thank you, Simon. You are correct, the LABGEO cartographers I > have talked to don't seem to have access to any formal > statement (contracts, laws, etc.) that ensures the data is > truly "public domain" as they say. It is also possible that > existing written statements would not clearly answer essential > questions concerning ODbL compatibility. Considering some > other problems (such as uninformed and uninterested Brazilian > authorities, and lack of court decisions that would help us > interpret the law), I believe that getting them to write down > exactly what we need them to agree with would be safer for us > and also more productive for us and for them. > > Since these authorities often erroneously equate "public > domain" with "free" or "open" (not even knowing the > differences between the two), I believe the questions for them > should be: > - how they expect their attribution to be visible to end users > through OSM; and > - whether the data can be used for commercial purposes. > > I don't know if these questions are enough, so I would like to > hear your opinions and suggestions. > > Finally, we have already studied the data and found the > conversion rather easy to do. Importing would probably require > some coordinated effort, but for now it is the legal aspect > that completely prevents us from beginning. Also, I think it > would be fairer if the copyright page included a linked to the > wiki page you mentioned, so that all contributors enjoy some > similar level of visibility. > > Regards, > > Fernando > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch > <mailto:si...@poole.ch>> wrote: > > > Hi Fernando > > I gather from your questions that they are currently not > distributing the data under a (well-)known licence or on > any other documented terms? > > In any case before spending to much effort on trying to > nail down the legal side, you really need to clarify if > this is suitable data for OSM and if yes, if there is a > process that will result in something that is digestible > by the Brazilian community. So I would strongly suggest at > least starting with the steps outlined in > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines > > As to being mentioned on > http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright , there is no > written in stone policy who gets on that page, in the past > it seems to have been used as an extra bargaining chip in > negotiation. Being listed there does not in any way > indicate that the contributions are or were more important > than contributions from the individuals and organisations > listed here > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors . Clearly > there is a practical desire to keep the list on the > copyright page as short as possible. Down the road we may > have better mechanisms to build the attribution pages and > then that may change. So for now it would depend on the > outcome of any necessary negotiations. > > Simon > > > > > Am 14.11.2013 18:58, schrieb Fernando Trebien: >> Hello everyone, >> >> I've recently contacted an institute (LABGEO) within a >> public university here in Brazil (UFRGS) and they've >> shown interest in contributing to OSM their data, which >> includes roads, land contours, vegetation data, maybe >> even geological data (it is a pretty extensive database). >> They would also like to be listed as a contributor here >> in this page: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright >> >> Though there may be a few details left to check yet, >> they've stated so far that the dada is already regularly >> used for commercial purposes by many Brazilian companies >> at zero cost. So here's my question: what kind of >> statement do they have to provide so that they get listed >> in that page? What questions does the statement need to >> answer? >> >> -- >> Fernando Trebien >> +55 (51) 9962-5409 <tel:%2B55%20%2851%29%209962-5409> >> >> "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months." >> (Moore's law) >> "The speed of software halves every 18 months." (Gates' law) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> legal-talk mailing list >> legal-talk@openstreetmap.org >> <mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > legal-talk mailing list > legal-talk@openstreetmap.org > <mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk > > > > > -- > Fernando Trebien > +55 (51) 9962-5409 <tel:%2B55%20%2851%29%209962-5409> > > "The speed of computer chips doubles every 18 months." > (Moore's law) > "The speed of software halves every 18 months." 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