On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote:
On 02/03/13 16:17, Erik Johansson wrote:
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net
wrote:
So - *must* you make your database of user-sourced geodata available to
the
OSM community? I answer
Hello,
Personally, I think this does leave a loophole where you could reverse
engineer OSM's data from imagery, but as I said at the time, I'm not worried
about it because so much accuracy would be lost. In any case,
Technically, it is possible to export in a format where accuracy is
100%
Am 04.03.2013 11:29, schrieb Tadeusz Knapik:
How come? ODbL doesn't enforce PW's license - if Produced Work is
licenced Public Domain, how do you reach somebody who used this PD
Produced Work to credit OSM?
Sincerely,
This is patently wrong, see ODbL 1.0 paragraph 4.3
On 04/03/13 11:53, Pieren wrote:
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote:
Personally, I think this does leave a loophole where you could reverse
engineer OSM's data from imagery, but as I said at the time, I'm not worried
about it because so much accuracy
Am 04.03.2013 13:39, schrieb Jonathan Harley:
On 04/03/13 11:53, Pieren wrote:
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net
wrote:
Personally, I think this does leave a loophole where you could reverse
engineer OSM's data from imagery, but as I said at the time, I'm
Hello All!
Again thank you for all your feedback. Unfortunately after the feedback that I
have gotten so far on my initial 4 use-cases, and the 4 extra sub-use-cases I
added later, I still do not know for sure if the use-cases I presented would
trigger the ODbL share alike clause or not. My
Hello All!
Forgive me for the previous unfinished version of this mail, here is the
complete version.
Again thank you for all your feedback. Unfortunately after the feedback that I
have gotten so far on my initial 4 use-cases, and the 4 extra sub-use-cases I
added later, I still do not know
On 28/02/13 14:58, Olov McKie wrote:
Hello All!
Hi Olov, I'll give this a go. My answers are a long way down because I
think cases 1-3 are all essentially the same:
First off, thank you for the feedback I have gotten so far! I had an idea about
what answers I would get on my questions,
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
The fact that you can’t mix OSM + proprietary data and then distribute it
as some kind of “OSM but better” without releasing the proprietary data is
a feature of share-alike licenses, not a bug.
Not every feature is a good
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:36:48 -0500, Alex Barth wrote:
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
The fact that you can’t mix OSM + proprietary data and then
distribute it as some kind of “OSM but better” without
releasing
the proprietary data is a feature of share-alike licenses,
On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:53:44 +0100 (CET), Olov McKie wrote:
As I understand our license change, it can be described as this:
(Please correct me if I am wrong) All objects that had an edit
history
where someone not willing to change the license (decliner) had edited
anything was reverted back
On 02/28/2013 05:54 AM, Jake Wasserman wrote:
I'm a little confused. The way I interpret your comment, merely
storing ODbL and non-ODbL data in the same database triggers share
alike. But on the use cases wiki page
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License/Use_Cases), Case 4 says:
'It
On 28/02/13 08:04, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
On 02/28/2013 05:54 AM, Jake Wasserman wrote:
I'm a little confused. The way I interpret your comment, merely
storing ODbL and non-ODbL data in the same database triggers share
alike. But on the use cases wiki page
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Hello All!
First off, thank you for the feedback I have gotten so far! I had an idea about
what answers I would get on my questions, but some of your answers were not
what I expected, so let me reason a bit about each case and I would love your
feedback on my reasoning. Please also look on
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Olov McKie o...@mckie.se wrote:
1. If we present an OSM map to the user let them click on the map and use
the coordinates they clicked on as part of the meta-data for a place in our
application, will the resulting database be considered a derived database?
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Jake Wasserman jwasser...@gmail.comwrote:
'It makes no difference whether you store the data sets separately, or
together in the same database software, whether that is a RDBMS, NOSQL,
filesystem or anything else. So long as the other data isn't derived from
On 28/02/13 00:17, Frederik Ramm wrote:
As I said in my opening paragraph, the share-alike license never
prohibits you from doing something with the data; it just prohibits you
from prohibiting stuff!
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On 28.02.2013 01:17, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Just to make this one point clear:
What you *can* do with the data is pretty clear and pretty easy.
This is not really true. At the core of the ODbL is the idea that
produced works and derivative databases should be treated
differently, and that
On 27/02/13 20:24, Marc Regan wrote:
I'm also going to add we should do away with share alike in the mid
term. It's just complicated and hurting OSM. Case in point: example at
hand.
+1. If you want to do anything with OSM data besides make map tiles, the
cloud of uncertainty around what you can
On 27/02/13 21:19, Rob wrote:
Rather than share-alike I would like to share-what-I-like but that is
not an option.
And I'd like you to make me a sandwich.
- Rob.
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On 28/02/13 23:45, Tobias Knerr wrote:
It also _forces_ you to prohibit stuff, by requiring ODbL for derivative
databases.
That doesn't prohibit anything. You can make derivative databases. You
just can't prohibit people from using them freely.
- Rob.
It would prohibit me from using the CC0 license if I use any data with a
ODbL license to create a derived database.
- Svavar Kjarrval
On 28/02/13 23:49, Rob Myers wrote:
On 28/02/13 23:45, Tobias Knerr wrote:
It also _forces_ you to prohibit stuff, by requiring ODbL for derivative
databases.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I think that the OSM community is already very open towards commercial use;
This is bigger than just commercial use. The ODbL is an obstacle to
contribute to OSM for anyone - business or not - who is bound by the
legal discussions.
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I think that the OSM community is already very open towards commercial use;
This is bigger than just commercial use. The ODbL
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
My
understanding is you are saying I would like it to be this way, but
at the moment it is not. Correct?
Correct.
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On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
My
understanding is you are saying I would like it to be this way, but
at the moment it is not. Correct?
Actually to be more specific: I'm saying I would like geocoding-like use
cases to be clarified, at the moment it is
I'm also going to add we should do away with share alike in the mid term.
It's just complicated and hurting OSM. Case in point: example at hand.
+1. If you want to do anything with OSM data besides make map tiles, the cloud
of uncertainty around what you can and can't do with the data is
: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map
+1 +1 +1
Would love to use OSM data to create a tile server for a project I have in the
works but the share-alike clause has stopped me from moving forward with OSM.
Rather than share-alike I
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or mobile app becomes fair game once OSM
data is used.
What? No. No, that isn't true. I'm no fan of share-alike but that is
trivially disprovable.
Richard
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On 27.02.2013 21:24, Marc Regan wrote:
+1. If you want to do anything with OSM data besides make map tiles,
the cloud of uncertainty around what you can and can't do with the data
is pretty terrifying.
Just to make this one point clear:
What you *can* do with the data is pretty clear
disprovable.
Richard
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On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Olov McKie o...@mckie.se wrote:
Hej Erik!
Would you please consider reading my mail one more time, and clarify your
answers, because I do not understand what you are trying to say.
No where in my mail did I say anything about using Google maps or their API,
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Olov McKie o...@mckie.se wrote:
I work for a library where we are building a new version of an application to
handle all sort of collections, for example books, letters, images, music
sheets, etc. The application will store metadata and digitalized versions
Hej Erik!
Would you please consider reading my mail one more time, and clarify your
answers, because I do not understand what you are trying to say.
No where in my mail did I say anything about using Google maps or their API,
yet for the two usecases you have answered about are you talking
Hi Alex,
You might want to clarify because your email is a bit confusing. My
understanding is you are saying I would like it to be this way, but
at the moment it is not. Correct?
Yes it is important to clarify the share alike clause, but I think
also important not to confuse people asking how
Hello all!
I have a few usecases for OSM where I do not know if I can use it or not.
I work for a library where we are building a new version of an application to
handle all sort of collections, for example books, letters, images, music
sheets, etc. The application will store metadata and
I think all of these use cases should be ok and we should adjust the
community guide lines to clarify that ODbL's share alike clause shouldn't
kick in here.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Olov McKie o...@mckie.se wrote:
Hello all!
I have a few usecases for OSM where I do not know if I can
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