Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-22 Thread Erik Johansson
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Tim, OSM is not essentially anything at its core. It is different things to different people. I'm talking about the sentence that defines OSM at the top of our Wiki page, which in all likelihood has been there in this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Erik, Erik Johansson wrote: Obviously a lot of people think Openstreetmap is more than just a collection of coordinates in a db. I think you try to redefine it in a way that supports your PD argument. Firstly, I am not making a PD argument but an ODbL argument here. Secondly, I'm not

[OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-22 Thread TimSC
Frederik Ramm wrote: / OSM is not essentially anything at its core. It is different things to // different people. / I'm talking about the sentence that defines OSM at the top of our Wiki page, which in all likelihood has been there in this form when most of us signed up. As if that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-22 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Albertas Agejevas a...@pov.lt wrote: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:50:50AM +0200, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: 2010/4/22 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net Am 22.04.2010 02:51, schrieb andrzej zaborowski: No other data gatherer in the world has

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-22 Thread Rob Myers
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 09:47:47 +0200, Erik Johansson erjo...@gmail.com wrote: If ODBL existed in the same variants as CC does, this would be easier. I support CC very strongly, but I don't recommend licence variants. They make things even more confusing and incompatible. OSM can be viewed as

[OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-21 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 07:31, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We *do* want to allow releasing produced works under PD. Note that we are talking produced works here, not the data istself! Maybe you do. Personally I'm pretty fond of the feature we have now where I know that any map that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Ævar, Pretty much they only thing I've ever gotten out of OSM personally (besides exercise and being able to use it on my GPS) is being able to use the various map renderings by ITO World, CloudMade etc. under the same free license as the data. That may well be; but OSM is not, in its core,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Tim, OSM is not essentially anything at its core. It is different things to different people. I'm talking about the sentence that defines OSM at the top of our Wiki page, which in all likelihood has been there in this form when most of us signed up. If you sign up to a project which claims

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Viral can be nice

2010-04-21 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 22 April 2010 01:26, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: This is a serious limitation and leads to many pretty maps *not* being made, or being made with non-OSM data. How is that bad? You tell me. Given a choice of (a) all maps can be made, but sharing them is a the maker's discretion