Re: Antialiased fonts in Tk Tkinter in Ubuntu 8.04
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Ville M. Vainio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Packages which ubuntu thinks depend on tk8.4, like PIL, ImageTk, tkcvs etc., you will need to build from source, but others should work ok. This is a nightmare. Googling download ImageTk brings me to http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python/python-imaging-tk If you can understand this gobbledygook you understand far more than I do. Python simply must clean up its act. Hmm. I just had a thought. Could I (and all of Leo's users) bypass these problems by using ipython? Edward --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups leo-editor group. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Antialiased fonts in Tk Tkinter in Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Ville M. Vainio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Packages which ubuntu thinks depend on tk8.4, like PIL, ImageTk, tkcvs etc., you will need to build from source, but others should work ok. This is a nightmare. Googling download ImageTk brings me to http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python/python-imaging-tk If you can understand this gobbledygook you understand far more than I do. Actually, just installing Python2.5.2 as Terry described solved my problems with fonts. Notes: - Here is an excellent how-to for installing packages on ubuntu from sources: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo For example, it describes the tar args needed, where to put stuff, etc. - The procedure Terry describes will install from /usr/local/src to /usr/bin - I have no idea where the links files are. But since Python works it should allow Ubuntu to restart even if ubuntu starts using the newly-installed python. And indeed, restarting Ubuntu went well. - I changed 'leo' alias so it explicitly uses /usr/bin/python2.5. That should be enough to guarantee I always use the newly-installed python. Hope this helps everyone. BTW, I am now seeing the get_focus crash. The workaround will probably be to ignore any exception... Edward --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups leo-editor group. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Antialiased fonts in Tk Tkinter in Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:10:56 -0500 Edward K. Ream [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Packages which ubuntu thinks depend on tk8.4, like PIL, ImageTk, tkcvs etc., you will need to build from source, but others should work ok. This is a nightmare. Googling download ImageTk brings me to http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python/python-imaging-tk I guess I don't really see the problem. If you're not aiming for anti-aliased fonts, you should be able to get all the required imports by: sudo apt-get install python-imaging-tk python-imaging tk8.4 python-tk If leo was a .deb package you'd just install that and it would tell you about the dependencies and ask for permission to install them. It feels to me like it's time to suddenly veer completely off topic. I recently started playing with Virtual Box from Sun, and have installed and run Ubuntu 8.04 under Windows XP, and Windows XP under Ubuntu 8.04. A virtual Ubuntu 8.04 (under Ubuntu 8.04 would be fine) would be a good way of maintaining a virgin Ubuntu install to test Leo installation - Virtual Box has a snapshot feature so you only need to do the initial install of Ubuntu once, and thereafter you can return to a clean state. There are other virtualization solutions, but Virtual Box is very easy to use, which I think recommends it for this type of virtualization application. Cheers -Terry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups leo-editor group. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Antialiased fonts in Tk Tkinter in Ubuntu 8.04
On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:22:51 +0300 Ville M. Vainio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I have no idea where the links files are. But since Python works it should allow Ubuntu to restart even if ubuntu starts using the newly-installed python. And indeed, restarting Ubuntu went well. I'm still a bit concerned about this approach, since it messes with the system python. What will happen when security fixes for python come up? What about the python packages you install with apt-get later on, will they be available normally? Of course all this may work, but caution should be advised. You have a point. So far I've found that all other python packages work, the key to getting that to happen was compiling python from source with the --enable-unicode=ucs4 flag as the default is ucs2 but ubuntu uses ucs4. Packages linked against Tk8.4 have to be compiled from source. You're right about security fixes for python - you'd have to make a point of recompiling from the latest source to get those I guess. Here's my original how to for anti-aliased fonts with Ubuntu 8.04, http://www.mail-archive.com/leo-editor@googlegroups.com/msg00320.html with the addendum that when I moved to a new machine just a few days ago I found I couldn't get PIL to compile from source without changing to occurrences of '#import tk.h' to '#import tcl8.5/tk.h'. I think the real solution is for leo and python to move to gtk - I understand how the relationship between python and tk evolved, but I can't see how tk can sensibly evolve to be a modern gui toolkit without basically duplicating gtk at that point. gtk support is good for linux / windows / mac os X, but probably weaker for some of the other unixen out there on which tk works well - so that's a problem. On the other hand tk doesn't have to go away, and hopefully python 2.6 / 3.0 will be linked against tk 8.5 in future distros anyway, so we're really just experiencing growing pains. At least open source gives us the tools to fix things. Cheers -Terry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups leo-editor group. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Antialiased fonts in Tk Tkinter in Ubuntu 8.04
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Ville M. Vainio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for these instructions re anti-aliased fonts. As you know, I've been obsessed with key bindings lately, but I plan to get around to rescuing the ubuntu version of Leo soon... Edward --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups leo-editor group. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Antialiased fonts in Tk Tkinter in Ubuntu 8.04
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Terry Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't advise anyone to try and get anti-aliased fonts working in Linux (Ubuntu) by compiling python against Tk8.5, there's too much risk of messing things up. But I think I have it working now, so if you really want to... [big snip] Or just wait for python 2.6/3.0 :-) Thanks for these instructions. I do hope Python fixes the recent major tkinter problems soon. Edward --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups leo-editor group. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
