Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Eric S Johnson
As far as I can tell, China doesn't keyword-filter in the sense most people think of that phrase. That is, the Great Firewall isn't inspecting all the text which flows through it, failing to deliver any web pages which have offending words. The filtering is of two main types: 1) any of

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Eric S Johnson
As far as I can tell, China doesn't keyword-filter in the sense most people think of that phrase. That is, the Great Firewall isn't inspecting all the text which flows through it, failing to deliver any web pages which have offending words. The filtering is of two main types: 1) any of

[liberationtech] CfP: Big Data, Big Questions, or, Accounting for Big Data

2012-08-15 Thread Yosem Companys
Mary L. Gray and Kate Crawford are kicking off a special section for IJoC that takes a critical look at big data: from the disciplinary perspectives and methods, to issues of access and epistemology. *Call for Papers “Big Data, Big Questions, or, Accounting for Big Data” * International Journal

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Paul Hyland
Rebecca MacKinnon would be one to ask about Internet censorship in China - she studied it at the University of Hong Kong a few years ago, and is on the board of Global Voices Online. She's now a fellow at the New America Foundation. Bio/contact info: http://newamerica.net/user/303 On Aug 15,

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Ivan Sigal
Rebecca's study is here: http://firstmonday.org/article/view/2378/2089 She found significant variation in ISP practices at the time. Cheers Ivan Ivan Sigal Executive Director, Global Voices i...@globalvoicesonline.org l +1 202 361 2712 www.globalvoicesonline.org On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:35

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread liberationtech
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 02:55:33PM +0800, cra...@oneotaslopes.org wrote 14K bytes in 386 lines about: : As far as I can tell, China doesn't keyword-filter in the sense most : people think of that phrase. That is, the Great Firewall isn't inspecting : all the text which flows through it, failing

[liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Joss Wright
On Aug 15, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Eric S Johnson crates at oneotaslopes.org wrote: There are persistent reports that China?s cybercensorship can sometimes vary (a little) by ISP, but I?ve never seen this (I?ve only been to ~13 of the 34 PRC-defined provinces), and Alkasir hasn?t ever detected any

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Steve Weis
This paper Ignoring the Great Firewall of China is a few years old, but at the time China was inspecting TCP packets for verboten keywords: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rnc1/ignoring.pdf The blocking was easy to circumvent. The researchers were able to just ignore TCP reset packets and the

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Eric S Johnson
Rebecca's brilliant study (cited by Ivan) was about how companies which host content domestically (in China) monitor that content and delete anything they think doesn't belong. It has nothing to do with ISPs, and nothing to do with the blocking of foreign content (the Great Firewall). Best,

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Philipp Winter
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 03:04:04AM +0800, Eric S Johnson wrote: Yes—they stopped doin packet inspection in about 2008, near as I can tell. From: Steve Weis [mailto:stevew...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:56 To: Eric S Johnson Cc: Stanford tech list Subject: Re:

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Philipp Winter
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 02:55:33PM +0800, Eric S Johnson wrote: Sometimes (inconsistently), an attempt to see blocked content results not only in the content not being delivered, but also a “punishment” meted out to the offending user: all attempts to access servers outside China

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Eric S Johnson
Hi Phillipp, Eric, that's interesting, could you elaborate on that? According to my own experience, deep packet inspection in China is still used I'm not saying China doesn't do DPI. I'm just saying that, from my own experience living in China for the past three years, DPI doesn’t

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eric S Johnson: Hi Phillipp, Eric, that's interesting, could you elaborate on that? According to my own experience, deep packet inspection in China is still used I'm not saying China doesn't do DPI. I'm just saying that, from my own experience living in China for the past

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Eric S Johnson
Hrm. You did actually say: Yes-they stopped doin packet inspection in about 2008, near as I can tell. That's a bit confusing as we've seen direct evidence of DPI that results in real time *probing* of Tor bridges. We know they do DPI to do this and we know they trigger specific kinds of

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Philipp Winter
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 05:15:49AM +0800, Eric S Johnson wrote: I.e. it's easy to register a new domain (call it TestChinaCyberFiltering.org) and put up onto it a handful of pages which include every possible word and phrase which we know are problematic to the Chinese censors. Start with the

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Philipp Winter
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 05:15:49AM +0800, Eric S Johnson wrote: I.e. it's easy to register a new domain (call it TestChinaCyberFiltering.org) and put up onto it a handful of pages which include every possible word and phrase which we know are problematic to the Chinese censors. Start with the

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Eric S Johnson
I.e. it's easy to register a new domain (call it TestChinaCyberFiltering.org) and put up onto it a handful of pages The first is that DPI could be occurring at border routers, so that traffic within China is not undergoing DPI scanning by default. If your hypothetical

[liberationtech] CfP: IEEE Internet Computing on Internet Censorship and Control

2012-08-15 Thread Yosem Companys
From: Steven Murdoch steven.murd...@cl.cam.ac.uk Dear all, I am co-editing an issue of IEEE Internet Computing on Internet Censorship and Control. If anyone has proposals for a short article (up to 5,000 words), then please email me a brief description of the article you plan to submit by 15

Re: [liberationtech] Images of Blocking in Different Countries?

2012-08-15 Thread Paul Hyland
Yeah but that's just one paper - she's written, been quoted, testified before congress, spoken at conferences, etc about internet freedom and censorship, inside china and crossing the border and by private companies, along with many other countries around the world - including the US. And in