[liberationtech] Why Bluecoat?

2013-04-06 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I've been thinking about this for a while, and can't find a logical reason. Possibly I'm not thinking about it hard enough. I'm curious as to why Bluecoat seem to be singled out for all this attention regarding use in countries where the

Re: [liberationtech] Why Bluecoat?

2013-04-06 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 4/6/13 11:50 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Hi, I've been thinking about this for a while, and can't find a logical reason. Possibly I'm not thinking about it hard enough. I'm curious as to why Bluecoat seem to be singled out for all this attention regarding use in countries where the

Re: [liberationtech] Why Bluecoat?

2013-04-06 Thread Jillian C. York
Honestly? Because there is ample evidence to support it at the moment. I would also suggest that it's only singled out in the US - in Europe, the focus right now is on Gamma (FinFisher) and Amesys, largely. Activists have been accused in the past of singling out Cisco as well. Attention has

Re: [liberationtech] Why Bluecoat?

2013-04-06 Thread Kate Krauss
To me, the real question is, *If* Bluecoat, why are things going so well for them when they are a 45 minute drive from activists in San Francisco? Happy to explain--off this list--what this means in terms of political strategy and offline, nonviolent direct action. This is definitely not an

Re: [liberationtech] Why Bluecoat?

2013-04-06 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It was an honest question Jillian. No ulterior motive. I would argue there is ample evidence to support it for Cisco, Redback, Ericsson, Siemens, NSN, F5, Apache Squidthe list goes on. I have read stories from European media (I can't give you

Re: [liberationtech] Why Bluecoat?

2013-04-06 Thread Griffin Boyce
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Kate Krauss ka...@critpath.org wrote: To me, the real question is, *If* Bluecoat, why are things going so well for them when they are a 45 minute drive from activists in San Francisco? Happy to explain--off this list--what this means in terms of political

Re: [liberationtech] Why Bluecoat?

2013-04-06 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I left the other wonderful people out: ZTE and their monitoring centre (shown in pictures from Libya), and of course Huawei. Just to give a good global representation. On 6 Apr 2013, at 15:41, Jillian C. York wrote: Honestly? Because there is