[liberationtech] Fwd: KORUZA for organic growth of wireless optical networks

2013-07-11 Thread Mitar
Hi! Forwarding. Musti does really great things and is searching for some guidance about possible grants he could apply to to continue with development. Mitar -- Forwarded message -- From: Musti mu...@wlan-si.net Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:27 AM Subject: KORUZA for organic

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Mitar
Hi! Why bad approach? I am reading this comments about Heml.is and they are a bit funny. On the sad side. Mostly all are just ideological arguments. Like it is not free software. It will have centralized server. At the end what matters is what they will deliver. If it will be a secure and easy

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread danimoth
On 11/07/13 at 02:41am, Mitar wrote: Mostly all are just ideological arguments. Like it is not free software. ..open source? It is another ideological arguments? If yes, ask yourself why *crypto design schemes and implementations are open and widely known, and only keys are secret. .. I bet

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Albert López
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 02:41:51 -0700 From: mmi...@gmail.com To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger Hi! Why bad approach? I am reading this comments about Heml.is and they are a bit funny. On the sad side. Mostly

Re: [liberationtech] [tor-talk] Network diversity [was: Should I warn against Tor?]

2013-07-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from coderman coder...@gmail.com - Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 19:00:56 -0700 From: coderman coder...@gmail.com To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Network diversity [was: Should I warn against Tor?] Reply-To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org On Mon, Jul

Re: [liberationtech] [tor-talk] Network diversity [was: Should I warn against Tor?]

2013-07-11 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from coderman coder...@gmail.com - Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 19:17:50 -0700 From: coderman coder...@gmail.com To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Network diversity [was: Should I warn against Tor?] Reply-To: tor-t...@lists.torproject.org regarding

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:32 AM, danimoth danim...@cryptolab.net wrote: If yes, ask yourself why *crypto design schemes and implementations are open and widely known, and only keys are secret. As I wrote. You can have client code which does crypto open source, but server side does not need

[liberationtech] Privacy Best Practices for Missing Persons Online Registries

2013-07-11 Thread Tim Schwartz
Dearest LibTechs, We over at the Missing Persons Community of Interest ( http://wiki.crisiscommons.eu/wiki/Missing_Persons) have been working on a number of best practices documents this year and our latest document is specific to privacy. Bob Gellman is the lead author of the document and has

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Albert López
Ok, I understand what you mean. But why rely in a client-server approach when you can achieve your goal with a peer to peer solution? Btw, your questions are good and I'd like to know how they solve them. Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 05:11:19 -0700 From: mmi...@gmail.com To:

Re: [liberationtech] Resources on electronic voting

2013-07-11 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
I did my PhD thesis on e-voting as did many other graduate students funding by NSF's ACCURATE center: http://accurate-voting.org/ A good overview at the time (that doesn't cover e2e much at all) was this public comment we submitted to the US Department of Labor as they clearly needed some basic

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Steve Weis
It's not true that all widely used crypto implementations are open. Even open source projects themselves depend on closed implementations. For example, Linux, OpenSSL, GnuTLS, libgcrypt, and dm-crypt may all use AESNI on x86, usually by default [1]. Linux now also uses a closed RdRand [2] RNG if

Re: [liberationtech] Call for Participants @ Noisy Square - Putting the Resistance back in OHM

2013-07-11 Thread coderman
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: ... If you want to focus your ire on something, go take a look at how DEFCON and BlackHat are inviting NSA Director Keith Alexander to give the keynote! regarding same, seems the better half of these cons is giving

Re: [liberationtech] DecryptoCat

2013-07-11 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: I think he very clearly stated it: Interviewer: What happens after the NSA targets a user? Snowden: They're just owned. An analyst will get a daily (or scheduled based on exfiltration summary) report on what changed

Re: [liberationtech] DecryptoCat

2013-07-11 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-07-11, at 12:38 PM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: While I think Maxim is viewed as exceedingly harsh in how he writes, I think that your response is really the wrong way to deal with him. We should

Re: [liberationtech] DecryptoCat

2013-07-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 07/11/2013 12:38 PM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Jacob Appelbaumja...@appelbaum.net wrote: While I think Maxim is viewed as exceedingly harsh in how he writes, I think that your response is really the wrong way to deal with him. We should consider that his cultural

[liberationtech] How Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

2013-07-11 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
A brand new scoop by Glenn Greenwald: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the National Security Agency to circumvent

Re: [liberationtech] DecryptoCat

2013-07-11 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-07-11, at 2:08 PM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the upshot of that is to steer whatever funds Cryptocat has toward the form of peer review that did work, which is the bug hunt (as well as look

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Albert López newbieswo...@hotmail.com wrote: Ok, I understand what you mean. But why rely in a client-server approach when you can achieve your goal with a peer to peer solution? Their answer is: The way to make the system secure is that we can control the

Re: [liberationtech] How Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

2013-07-11 Thread Matt Johnson
I found that article disappointing. There was little new information, and more important now new sources. If this is from documents that Snowden released, we should be able to see the documents. -- Matt Johnson On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: A brand new

[liberationtech] Unique Opportunity: Input to CEOs of Smartphone Manufacturers

2013-07-11 Thread Ben Doernberg
Hi all, What would you change if you were the CEO of a major mobile device manufacturer? One of my colleagues at WITNESS has a unique opportunity to make a presentation to the CEOs of these companies. He'll be discussing our work around verified video for human rights abuse documentation, but

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:23:25PM -0700, Mitar wrote: Hi! BTW. Even Tor has centralized directory servers. And it does not really matter if the code there is open source or not, because you anyway cannot know if they are really running some particular code there or not. A good point.

Re: [liberationtech] Unique Opportunity: Input to CEOs of Smartphone Manufacturers

2013-07-11 Thread coderman
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Ben Doernberg ben.doernb...@gmail.com wrote: ... What would you change if you were the CEO of a major mobile device manufacturer? open source baseband firmware - these opaque blobs are a security nightmare and excellent point of attack for an entity with

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:23:25PM -0700, Mitar wrote: BTW. Even Tor has centralized directory servers. It's incredibly misleading to imply that the Tor DA design provides a similar threat to a server-hosted-crypto proprietary privacy app. (I'm not accusing you of intentionally misleading, but

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Julian Oliver jul...@julianoliver.com wrote: A good point. Nonetheless the way forward for security critical software is toward de-centralisation; encouraging deployment and adaptation to local contexts - political, social and topological. This is why both

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:44:24AM -0700, Steve Weis wrote: It's not true that all widely used crypto implementations are open. Even open source projects themselves depend on closed implementations. For example, Linux, OpenSSL, GnuTLS, libgcrypt, and dm-crypt may all use AESNI on x86,

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Andy Isaacson a...@hexapodia.org wrote: Even if an attacker were to secretly compromise all of the Tor DAs and publish a malicious consensus, the break is only to anonymity, not to message privacy. (Granted, anonymity is a major selling point for Tor and

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-07-11, at 4:32 PM, Andy Isaacson a...@hexapodia.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 12:23:25PM -0700, Mitar wrote: BTW. Even Tor has centralized directory servers. It's incredibly misleading to imply that the Tor DA design provides a similar threat to a server-hosted-crypto

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Andy Isaacson a...@hexapodia.org wrote: and Intel's AESNI implementation is coming from an organization with significant resources to dedicate to the correctness of their implementation. And how they managed to get this significant resources? They were

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-11 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 08:00:03PM -0400, Tom Ritter wrote: On 10 July 2013 09:43, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Andreas Bader: Tens of thousands zero-days; that sounds like totally shit. That guy seems to be a script kiddie poser, nothing more. Are there any real hackers

Re: [liberationtech] Unique Opportunity: Input to CEOs of Smartphone Manufacturers

2013-07-11 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ben, I'd love to see hardware support for full-disk encryption and secure deletion. Apple is streets ahead of Android in this respect: iOS's disk encryption key depends on a unique key built into each device, so brute-force attempts to decrypt the

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Marcin de Kaminski
To get back to the original topic: Isn't this just what Peter has been stating when asked? That Hemlis first of all hasn't even claimed anything regarding the stoics when the criticism came, but more importantly that the potential open source development doesn't really solve all problems and

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Matt Mackall
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 13:47 -0700, Andy Isaacson wrote: Linux now also uses a closed RdRand [2] RNG if available. There was a bunch of churn when this code went in, so I could be wrong, but I believe that RdRand is only used to stir the same entropy pool as all of the other inputs which are

Re: [liberationtech] Unique Opportunity: Input to CEOs of Smartphone Manufacturers

2013-07-11 Thread Blibbet
(1) A unique key built into each device, which can't be read directly by software, but which can be used to derive other keys (e.g. for disk encryption) at a limited rate, slowing down brute-force attacks against such keys. (2) An effaceable area of flash storage where the operating system can

[liberationtech] 15Mpedia: All about 15M

2013-07-11 Thread Yosem Companys
From: Comision Informacion informacion.acampada...@gmail.com I would like with this e-mail to introduce you the 15Mpedia, which aims to include all about 15M and nearby. http://wiki.15m.cc Most of this project is in Spanish, but I hope that the english-speaking people will understand easily

[liberationtech] One time pad Management system?

2013-07-11 Thread Paul Elliott
Are there any practical one time pad management systems out there, GPLed for GNU/Linux? Is anyone working on one? If not, does anyone want to start? Thank You for considering this question. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at

[liberationtech] Bitmessage needs an auditor

2013-07-11 Thread Chris Lentner
I'm currently contributing to Bitmessage https://bitmessage.org . It's a p2p messaging network (think email, not IM) with built-in ECC, and it aims to hide sender receiver. The network layer is fairly solid; right now we're mostly doing UI work. What we could really use is someone to spot the

Re: [liberationtech] Heml.is - The Beautiful Secure Messenger

2013-07-11 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Matt Mackall m...@selenic.com wrote: (And in the meantime, my distrust of Intel's crypto has moved from standard professional paranoia to actual legitimate concern.) Any concrete reasons for that change in distrust? Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/

Re: [liberationtech] One time pad Management system?

2013-07-11 Thread hack
What is a One Time Pad management system? A text file? Also, why do you want to use a OTP? There are pretty good reasons not to use one which a book on cryptography will be able to explain to you. Also, I don't think this list is perhaps the best place to ask these questions. Perhaps try the

Re: [liberationtech] One time pad Management system?

2013-07-11 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:12:32PM -0500, Paul Elliott wrote: Are there any practical one time pad management systems out there, GPLed for GNU/Linux? I don't know of any but would be interested to learn of one. Is anyone working on one? I started sketching some design ideas a few months ago,

Re: [liberationtech] One time pad Management system?

2013-07-11 Thread hack
Hi Andy, Wow, so there is actually a use for this? What sort of things are OTP's used for? The only application I've heard of is on satellites when they need to do key rotation. I sort of hastily assumed whoever was asking the question didn't understand the practicality of OTPs and now I think

[liberationtech] NSA's crypto city

2013-07-11 Thread Shava Nerad
For those who think it's unlikely that a staff of 5000 would be involved in something called crypto staff for the NSA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency#Headquarters NSA is the largest employer in the U.S. state of Maryland, and two-thirds of its personnel work at Ft.

Re: [liberationtech] NSA's crypto city

2013-07-11 Thread James S. Tyre
Oddly, a former NSA operative I know was, while still with NSA, the Mayor of the nearby town in which he lived. Perhaps his colleagues stuffed the ballot box for him. '-) -- James S. Tyre Law Offices of James S. Tyre 10736 Jefferson Blvd., #512 Culver City, CA 90230-4969

Re: [liberationtech] One time pad Management system?

2013-07-11 Thread Karl Fogel
Paul Elliott pelli...@blackpatchpanel.com writes: Are there any practical one time pad management systems out there, GPLed for GNU/Linux? Is anyone working on one? If not, does anyone want to start? Thank You for considering this question. http://red-bean.com/onetime I'm actively working on