Re: [liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2014-03-19 Thread coderman
the early research on passive backbone network measurement: http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~chuah/classes/eec274/eec274-w09/refs/FML03-ipmon.pdf [ED: at the time, the working storage of 330GB could potentially keep ~1,300 continuous days of compressed voice capture. (or mere hours of a lightly

Re: [liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2014-03-18 Thread coderman
regarding the latest discussion of full take voice and cache for weeks[0]: updated image of the landing station now at: https://peertech.org/files/wci.jpg the lower left images are the landing station, the upper remainder the cable operator facilities. these landing station infrastructure

Re: [liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2014-03-18 Thread coderman
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:28 PM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote: regarding the latest discussion of full take voice and cache for weeks... i linked to WCI as one of many; the Northstar upgrade complete with wetland beautification as example of infrastructure at a landing site consistent with

[liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2013-06-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2013-06-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2013-06-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2013-06-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
- Forwarded message from Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net - Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 14:55:23 + From: Dobbins, Roland rdobb...@arbor.net To: NANOG list na...@nanog.org Subject: Re: Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH] On Jun 25,

Re: [liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2013-06-25 Thread coderman
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, coderman coder...@gmail.com wrote: ... cryptome has some great info on cable routes and facilities: http://cryptome.org/eyeball/cable/cable-eyeball.htm http://cryptome.org/nsa-seatap.htm http://cryptome.org/telecomm-weak.htm

Re: [liberationtech] Are undersea cables tapped before they get to ISP's? [was Re: Security over SONET/SDH]

2013-06-25 Thread coderman
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: ... Very few ISP's ever go to the landing stations, typically the cable operators provide cross connects to a small number of backhaul providers. That makes a much smaller number of people who might ever notice the