Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-20 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: The best description is here: http://armoredbarista.blogspot.ch/2013/03/randomly-failed-weaknesses-in-java.html Unbelievable… It seems

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-08-15, at 6:14 AM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: Signed PGP part On 08/15/2013 12:07 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Hot on the heels of last week's Bitcoin wallet for Android heist, Google has confirmed that this was due to a critical crypto flaw in Android,

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 8/15/13 6:07 AM, Nadim Kobeissi ha scritto: Hey Libtech, Hot on the heels of last week's Bitcoin wallet for Android heist, Google has confirmed that this was due to a critical crypto flaw in Android All Mobile Security Applications should not rely on standard RNG of the OS but fetch

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: The only silver lining from their post was that HTTP/SSL connections were not affected, so this only really affects apps that are generating keys at the Java layer, which include apps like Android Privacy

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On 08/15/2013 06:24 AM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: All Mobile Security Applications should not rely on standard RNG of the OS but fetch precious and better source of randomness available on those devices: - Microphone Audio Sample On a commercial product i worked on in past the RNG has

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Nathan of Guardian
On 08/15/2013 06:29 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: I have a hard time trying to figure out from Alex Klyubin's blog post [1] just what the problem in affected Android class libraries was. Did they forget to include a urandom-backed SecureRandom provider? Or set it as one with highest priority? Or

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: The best description is here: http://armoredbarista.blogspot.ch/2013/03/randomly-failed-weaknesses-in-java.html Unbelievable… It seems that PRNG implementers suffer from NIH syndrome. If you are going to use

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 03:38:56PM +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: The best description is here: http://armoredbarista.blogspot.ch/2013/03/randomly-failed-weaknesses-in-java.html Unbelievable… It seems

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Doug Chamberlin
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: ...and rely on code that's reviewed and maintained by thousands of kernel people... Are you really saying THOUSANDS have reviewed and maintain the RNG? For real? -- Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Doug Chamberlin chamberlin.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are you really saying THOUSANDS have reviewed and maintain the RNG? For real? You are right — I didn't take the possibility of useless tongue-in-cheek remarks into account when using that expression in order to

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Steve Weis
$ git log --pretty=format:%an drivers/char/random.c | sort | uniq | wc The number of committers to random.c is 41. You missed having a lame joke by just one committer. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Doug Chamberlin

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Doug Chamberlin
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Doug Chamberlin chamberlin.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are you really saying THOUSANDS have reviewed and maintain the RNG? For real? You are right — I didn't take the possibility of useless

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Steve Weis stevew...@gmail.com wrote: $ git log --pretty=format:%an drivers/char/random.c | sort | uniq | wc Guys, I assumed you knew that kernel history was reset a few times. If you want to approach it thoroughly, you start with all names at [1] since 2010.

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Nathan of Guardian
Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: In any case, I find this bikeshedding of side remarks pretty annoying, it is quite pointless. Well, I see it as practical proof of the value of open-source, the need to avoid reinventing the crypto wheel, and that no amount of money buys you perfect code.

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-15 Thread Doug Chamberlin
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: In any case, I find this bikeshedding of side remarks pretty annoying, it is quite pointless. Well, I see it as practical proof of the value of open-source, the need to

[liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-14 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
Hey Libtech, Hot on the heels of last week's Bitcoin wallet for Android heist, Google has confirmed that this was due to a critical crypto flaw in Android, which could affect security in thousands of apps according to Ars Technica: Google developers have confirmed a cryptographic vulnerability

Re: [liberationtech] Google confirms critical Android crypto flaw

2013-08-14 Thread Nathan of Guardian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/15/2013 12:07 AM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote: Hot on the heels of last week's Bitcoin wallet for Android heist, Google has confirmed that this was due to a critical crypto flaw in Android, which could affect security in thousands of apps according