Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-20 Thread Shelley
Julian, If it weren't for the late, great Howard Zinn, I wouldn't have known the extent of the USA's egregious crimes in Laos. nbsp;They tend to teach a very different version of history here. Your summation of our present situation is spot-on (if somewhat kinder than my own views of the

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-19 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
On 15 Aug 2013, at 19:09, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb ei8...@ei8fdb.org wrote: My issue is with - Hacking is bad when people do it. It's ok when the government do it. To play devil's advocate for a moment: isn't that true

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-19 Thread Kyle Maxwell
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb ei8...@ei8fdb.org wrote: On 15 Aug 2013, at 19:09, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: The State is, in general, very jealous about its monopoly on things like violence and taxation, and (modulo anarchists, many of whom I love and

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-19 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 01:09:00PM -0500, Kyle Maxwell wrote: To play devil's advocate for a moment: isn't that true for a lot of things? The State is, in general, very jealous about its monopoly on things like violence and taxation, and (modulo anarchists, many of whom I love and respect)

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-17 Thread LilBambi
For many years government has been demonizing hackers. And it has always been very discouraging. There are good and bad in every walk of life, particular bent, and career path. Just as there are good, bad and indifferent among doctors and lawyers, there are good, bad and indifferent among

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-15 Thread Kyle Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb ei8...@ei8fdb.org wrote: My issue is with - Hacking is bad when people do it. It's ok when the government do it. To play devil's advocate for a moment: isn't that true for a lot of things? The State is, in general, very jealous about its

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-15 Thread Francisco Ruiz
Kyle, Government is always the good guys by definition, here and in Zimbabwue, especially in their literature. The line separating sedition from civil disobedience is usually drawn after the fact. On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-14 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/13/2013 05:37 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Haven't hackers always been portrayed in a way to scare people? * If it's not dDoSing script kiddies, its zombie network owning Latvian mafias.. Or SysOPs using their BBSes to move satellites

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-14 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
On 14 Aug 2013, at 20:42, The Doctor dr...@virtadpt.net wrote: Signed PGP part On 08/13/2013 05:37 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb wrote: Haven't hackers always been portrayed in a way to scare people? * If it's not dDoSing script kiddies, its zombie network owning Latvian mafias.. Or

Re: [liberationtech] [Dewayne-Net] Are Hackers the Next Bogeyman Used to Scare Americans Into Giving Up More Rights?

2013-08-13 Thread Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
Haven't hackers always been portrayed in a way to scare people? * If it's not dDoSing script kiddies, its zombie network owning Latvian mafias.. If this *is* the case, how can General Alexander go to Blackhat 2013 and say (paraphrasing) we (CIA) use the same tools as you do. Help us protect