Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread J.M. Porup
On 01/09/15 10:21, Myself wrote: Also, very important at this time are the USG democracy promotion programs Ah, democracy. America's deadliest export. http://williamblum.org/books/americas-deadliest-export JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Myself
Supporting the USG for helping Cuban activists connect to the Internet and check their emails is not ultra-right wing, it's the right thing to do. On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Myself, I believe it is also time to Change the

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Myself, I believe it is also time to Change the ultra-right wing viewpoints when analizing the potential ahead for Cuba. The current status quo in Cuba Re: Telecom is not good, but neither is the Government sanctioned and subsidized oligopoly we have here in the US! On Jan 9, 2015 10:22 AM,

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread S.Aliakbar Mousavi
Myself, No worries about future affordability. If telcos and tech companies expanded their services in Cuba it would expand competition and therefore makes those services more and more cheaper and affordable for the people and I promise you in that situation even nomads area can afford it. Let's

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Myself
Democracy = bad sounds ultra-leftist/communist to me. You can always move to North Korea, Cuba or Iran if you don't like it. Democracy gives you that choice. PGP http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xA5BA76902CB232E3 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:19 AM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote:

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread J.M. Porup
On 01/09/15 11:34, Myself wrote: Democracy = bad sounds ultra-leftist/communist to me. You can always move to North Korea, Cuba or Iran if you don't like it. Democracy gives you that choice. America exports democracy the way Genghis Khan exported the right to speak Mongolian. How did Graham

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread S.Aliakbar Mousavi
Myself truly states: Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Myself
Yeah, I see you have a lot of innocence... Consider the alternative exports of the super power that lost the cold war, you and your entire family could be in a Siberian concentration camp right now just for trying to connect to the internet you take for granted so easily. PGP

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 11:34:02AM -0500, Myself wrote: Democracy = bad sounds ultra-leftist/communist to me. You can always move to North Korea, Cuba or Iran if you don't like it. Democracy gives you that choice. ...along with the choice to judge a book by its cover. Or not. I've heard

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Myself
Like Leopoldo says it's very important to exert pressure to open up the state telecom monopoly to new players. What few people realize amid the current excitement is that this window of opportunity will not last long. Historically, the Cuban government has negotiated with the USG, only to later

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Cuba is NOT AT ALL LIKE NORTH KOREA. That is an ultra-right nutjob statement Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:19 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: On 01/09/15 13:04, Myself wrote: The only way

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Myself
Ali, I agree with you on this: encouraging telcos and tech companies (especially from the countries that Cuban government has less sensitivity on them) to get benefit of Obama's sanction waivers to invest and expand services. This could be a good strategy. However, there's a reason the Cuban

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread J.M. Porup
On 01/09/15 13:04, Myself wrote: The only way to appease a bully is to fight back. I agree! Let's give a giant, collective middle finger to Uncle Sam, now, shall we? JMP -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated:

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread J.M. Porup
On 01/09/15 12:04, Myself wrote: Yeah, I see you have a lot of innocence... Consider the alternative exports of the super power that lost the cold war, you and your entire family could be in a Siberian concentration camp right now just for trying to connect to the internet you take for granted

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-09 Thread Myself
This is Cuba, not Iran, Sudan or whatever, more like North Korea, just closer to the US. There's no competition, communications are a state monopoly called ETECSA controlled by a military commander. Regular Cubans earn about $20 a month and the government makes sure they stay extremely poor so

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Here's a feasible approach: http://www.shareable.net/blog/cuba-is-using-cooperatives-to-decentralize-its-economy The technologies I mention are in use already in Cuba, although outside the legal system and thus subject to confiscation - case in point the newsclip about dusmantlement of an

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Bottom line: any single bit of additional Internet access for ANYONE is GOOD. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Myself
Amen to that Andres Leopoldo, Back to the original post, the fact is that with US restrictions out of the way Internet could be in the homes of most Cubans in a matter of months if the Cuban government lifted customs restrictions on home satellite and wi-fi equipment. The typical excuses: the

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Myself
Unfortunately, the typical elitist, leftist, caviar communists conveniently believe that Internet is bad for you (the people), good for them. They think they are better, smarter (they always better know what to ban/censor) and deserve more than everyone else only to be the first in the bourgeois

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread J.M. Porup
On 01/08/15 10:45, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: Oh YEAH! TAYLOR SWIFT! teaching us about Freedom while basking in her millions. OMG ROTFLMFBO Um. OK. It wasn't my intention to trick you. I just figured you knew. I mean, this is lib-tech... Bottom line: any single bit of

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Let's not do any flaming, it's so démodé... BUT Cuba is close to my heart, AND there's a lot of BS going around Let them have their itty bitty piece of the Internet and then some Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (347) 766-5008 On Thu,

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
That's right, there's a small window of opportunity here for community projects to develop a horizontal and free Internet for the people. There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread S.Aliakbar Mousavi
Hi, You just mentioned that There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. What technologies you mean? Can you give me some examples? Best, Ali On 8 January 2015 at 14:16, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: That's right, there's a

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: It’s called fiber. Fiber is cheap? Relatively. It’s sand, somewhat processed. And it carries a lot of bits. Nothing else carries a lot

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Collin Anderson
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net wrote: It’s called fiber. Fiber is cheap? -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C. -- Liberationtech is public archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:21 AM, S.Aliakbar Mousavi mousavi.s...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You just mentioned that There are technologies out there that make this cheap, feasible, and reliable. What technologies you mean? Can you give me some examples? It’s called fiber. As always, the

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-08 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
I'm no expert, but I've been following a few developments: Open source mesh networking hw/sw like those featured in VillageTelco.org. Wireless backbone hw/sw like that offered by Ubiquiti Networks And then big ticket gorillas like Google Fiber and Eric Schmidt, who apparently has been talking

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-06 Thread J.M. Porup
Can't you see the bars of your cage? https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/500130322810273794 On 01/05/15 19:34, Myself wrote: You are using the Internet now. Are you a slave? Are you more equal than others to deserve it better and decide for them? On Jan 5, 2015 7:16 PM, J.M. Porup

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-05 Thread Collin Anderson
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-05 Thread J.M. Porup
As a journalist who's spent a long time covering (and living in) Latin America, I observe that American culture--that is, *information*--is a major tool in maintaining regional hegemony. In other words, Hollywood and Google both belong to the Defense Department. If I were Cuba, why would I want

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-05 Thread Myself
Sure, but the media hype and conditions to put some pressure are happening now. The ball is in Cuba's court. On Jan 5, 2015 6:04 PM, Collin Anderson col...@averysmallbird.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: Under the new measures announced by the

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-05 Thread Myself
Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department, Facebook is CIA and it's all controlled by the Illuminati and E.T., still, Cubans deserve Internet access like everybody else. Checking my cable modem now, Batista may be creeping up the coaxial :) On Jan 5, 2015 6:22 PM, J.M. Porup

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-05 Thread Myself
You are using the Internet now. Are you a slave? Are you more equal than others to deserve it better and decide for them? On Jan 5, 2015 7:16 PM, J.M. Porup j...@porup.com wrote: The Cuban people deserve to be free. How did Cory Doctorow put it? Information doesn't want to be free, people do.

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-05 Thread J.M. Porup
The Cuban people deserve to be free. How did Cory Doctorow put it? Information doesn't want to be free, people do. The question is, will information free the Cuban people? Or will it enslave them? JMP On 01/05/15 19:02, Myself wrote: Hollywood and Google belong to the Defense Department,

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-05 Thread Katy Pearce
http://www.rferl.mobi/a/why-technology-penetration-rates/24805097.html On Mon, Jan 5, 2015, 4:34 PM Myself falcoco...@gmail.com wrote: You are using the Internet now. Are you a slave? Are you more equal than others to deserve it better and decide for them? On Jan 5, 2015 7:16 PM, J.M. Porup

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2015-01-05 Thread Myself
Under the new measures announced by the Obama administration in December 2014, Cuban exiles can buy and send to the island satellite Internet equipment, Wi-Fi routers, repeaters and pay for this service for their relatives in Cuba. American companies such as HughesNet provide Internet service

Re: [liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2014-12-18 Thread Myself
Hold your horses, the Cuban government's restrictions haven't changed a bit. This new deal has so far been one sided and overhyped. Satellite, Wi-Fi equipment is still banned at cuban customs and just last week a Cuban was sentenced to three years for providing satellite service. Raids on the

[liberationtech] Cuba: 5% Internet penetration

2014-12-17 Thread Yosem Companys
From: Claro Noda n...@complexperiments.net Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely- Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is