Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-23 Thread Adam Fisk
: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com ** ** Since I already have more skepticism of Google Ideas and Jared Cohen than I need, let me pose this question: ** ** With the understanding that uProxy provides no anonymity protections

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-23 Thread Tempest
Shava Nerad: But if you look at the press or boosters or detractors, there is misinformation, disinfo, and just a lot of glitter and FUD out there. Not to jump on TechPresident, but to use them as an example (but because it was posted here...), there's a tendency to pit groups against one

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-23 Thread Micah Sifry
Hey Shava! Thanks for your feedback. We wanted the headline to suggest that Lantern was the next new, exciting thing in anti-censorship, and the easiest way to signal that was by mentioning Tor. For what it is--scalable blocking resistance--it could very well be better than Tor. We did not mean

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-23 Thread coderman
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Adam Fisk af...@getlantern.org wrote: ... we really would love to hear any criticisms of Lantern people may have, including anything technical or ... make Latern function as a pluggable transport for Tor!

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-23 Thread Adam Fisk
Totally agreed. We've been considering integrating Tor nodes in some way with Lantern for awhile, originally inspired by conversations with @ioerror. I think something along those lines could be incredibly effective, and I just added it in the more general idea section of our somewhat sparse

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-22 Thread Enrique Piracés
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Adam seems to confirm. https://twitter.com/adamfisk/status/392499879160733697 Excuse brevity, typos. Best, Enrique - -- Enrique Piracés Vice President, Human Rights Program Benetech https://www.benetech.org https://www.martus.org

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-22 Thread Jillian C. York
:* liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [mailto: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jillian C. York *Sent:* Tuesday, October 22, 2013 08.01 *To:* liberationtech *Subject:* Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-22 Thread Collin Anderson
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: That was a different guy though right? And surely this time they're doing it right, with a comprehensive design document and threat model, open source, etc before the publicity splash? Sort of, but I think these challenges

[liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Yosem Companys
http://business.time.com/2013/10/21/google-digital-rebels/ Google Ideas, the New York City-based “think/do tank” run by the Internet search giant, is launching several new technologies designed to highlight hacker attacks around the world and help people in repressive regimes access the Internet.

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Nick
Despite the provenence of the story, I'm still suprised there was no mention of Google's cooperation with repressive elements of its own government through PRISM and the like. Or (though this is probably far too optimistic) a mention of whether surveillance as overarching paradigm is

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Sacha van Geffen
On 21-10-13 22:49, Nick wrote: Despite the provenence of the story, I'm still suprised there was no mention of Google's cooperation with repressive elements of its own government through PRISM and the like. Or (though this is probably far too optimistic) a mention of whether surveillance as

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Dan Staples
And keep in mind, the uProxy project doesn't seem to be trying to provide anonymity, only uncensored internet access. There are many challenges to anonymity that a simple browser plugin can't solve. Browsers are extremely easy to fingerprint, which is why Tor is now being packaged as an entire

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
The NSA being part of the Google partner landscape, however unwillingly on the part of Google.. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Dan Staples danstap...@opentechinstitute.org wrote: And keep

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Jillian C. York
Since I already have more skepticism of Google Ideas and Jared Cohen than I need, let me pose this question: With the understanding that uProxy provides no anonymity protections, *is it providing anything that other circumvention tools do not already?* What's unique about it? On Mon, Oct 21,

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Patrick Mylund Nielsen
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Jillian C. York jilliancy...@gmail.comwrote: Since I already have more skepticism of Google Ideas and Jared Cohen than I need, let me pose this question: With the understanding that uProxy provides no anonymity protections, *is it providing anything that

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Seth David Schoen
Jillian C. York writes: Since I already have more skepticism of Google Ideas and Jared Cohen than I need, let me pose this question: With the understanding that uProxy provides no anonymity protections, *is it providing anything that other circumvention tools do not already?* What's unique

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: The NSA being part of the Google partner landscape, however unwillingly on the part of Google.. It was seeded by Google Ideas but we've yet to see how much control they have over it versus UW and BNS.

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Eric S Johnson
. York Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 08.01 To: liberationtech Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com Since I already have more skepticism of Google Ideas and Jared Cohen than I need, let me pose this question

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Shava Nerad
: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com ** ** Since I already have more skepticism of Google Ideas and Jared Cohen than I need, let me pose this question: ** ** With the understanding that uProxy provides no anonymity protections

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread coderman
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Shava Nerad shav...@gmail.com wrote: So, I've had this post in draft since 10/15, and I added some links and a couple paragraphs,... real names as a move based on online civility is just as much bullshit today as it was then. only more evidently so! while this

Re: [liberationtech] Google Unveils Tools to Access Web From Repressive Countries | TIME.com

2013-10-21 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:25:48AM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote: The most ambitious product launch is uProxy, a new Web browser extension that uses peer-to-peer technology to let people around the world provide each other with a trusted Internet connection. It's a shame that designs like this