Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-11 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 08:00:03PM -0400, Tom Ritter wrote: On 10 July 2013 09:43, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Andreas Bader: Tens of thousands zero-days; that sounds like totally shit. That guy seems to be a script kiddie poser, nothing more. Are there any real hackers

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Andreas Bader
Eugen Leitl: Grimes: How many exploits does your unit have access to? Cyber warrior: Literally tens of thousands -- it's more than that. We have tens of thousands of ready-to-use bugs in single applications, single operating systems. Grimes: Is most of it zero-days? Cyber warrior:

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:03:50AM +, Andreas Bader wrote: Tens of thousands zero-days; that sounds like totally shit. That guy seems to be a script kiddie poser, nothing more. Are there any real hackers that can issue a competent statement to that? See http://blog.fefe.de/ -- Too many

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Andreas Bader: Eugen Leitl: Grimes: How many exploits does your unit have access to? Cyber warrior: Literally tens of thousands -- it's more than that. We have tens of thousands of ready-to-use bugs in single applications, single operating systems. Grimes: Is most of it zero-days?

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Albert López
truth. gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --search-keys EEE5A447http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xEEE5A447op=vindex Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:43:01 + From: ja...@appelbaum.net To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Anthony Papillion
On 07/10/2013 04:45 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/print/66 In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior By Roger A. Grimes Created 2013-07-09 03:00AM Much of the world is just learning that every major industrialized nation has a state-sponsored cyber army

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/10/2013 08:08 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: See http://blog.fefe.de/ *** Agreed, that seems to be a PsyOp to scare hackers away from the US State secrets, or hire young kids. Very badly done though. If that super elite guy is so meticulous

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread David Goulet
Jacob Appelbaum: Andreas Bader: Eugen Leitl: Grimes: How many exploits does your unit have access to? Cyber warrior: Literally tens of thousands -- it's more than that. We have tens of thousands of ready-to-use bugs in single applications, single operating systems. Grimes: Is most of it

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: I couldn't disagree more. This sounds consistent with the current arms race and also relates directly to the 0day markets that have been active for many many years. Remember though: buying 0day bugs or exploits for

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Richard Brooks
1. The NSA center of excellence program is not really that important. If you look carefully, they are mainly 2 year community colleges located near Army bases that give basic sysadmin training. This is good and necessary, but don't get fooled into thinking that they are training the highly skilled

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Tom Ritter
On 10 July 2013 09:43, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Andreas Bader: Tens of thousands zero-days; that sounds like totally shit. That guy seems to be a script kiddie poser, nothing more. Are there any real hackers that can issue a competent statement to that? I couldn't disagree

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Shava Nerad
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: I couldn't disagree more. This sounds consistent with the current arms race and also relates directly to the 0day markets that have been active

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 2:28 AM, Richard Brooks r...@acm.org wrote: 1. The NSA center of excellence program is not really that important. If you look carefully, they are mainly 2 year community colleges located near Army bases that give basic sysadmin training. This is good and necessary, but

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:22 AM, Shava Nerad shav...@gmail.com wrote: So perhaps the journalist is giving you as the reader a little credit for reading between the lines, intelligently (that being the root of the word: inter for between, and legens for reading), to figure out what exactly you

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread coderman
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Tom Ritter t...@ritter.vg wrote: ... if the tens of thousands figure included 'soft targets': [lots of soft targets...] ...Then I could see a tens of thousands figure. But if someone said they had more than, say, 250 completely distinct, weaponized exploits

Re: [liberationtech] In his own words: Confessions of a cyber warrior

2013-07-10 Thread coderman
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: ... He would learn about backdoors in encryption equipment by ordering their manuals? Where from, exactly, would he order such classified material? i'm not defending this individual specifically, but this is not at all