[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread uncoolrabbit
Paul, I would go back and get the number of the post, and place the quote of you doing just what you are now denying, but I don't have an obsession with making you admit your mistakes, this has been for the purpose explained in the other post from Friday, and I also don't have any great desire

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread uncoolrabbit
I said it was a clue, but did not specify to what it was a clue to, Mark, it seems you have assumed it was a clue that he is wrong, but that was indeed not what it was a clue to. Read the post I made before the PS and you might see other options as to what it was a clue to, and maybee its not

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread uncoolrabbit
I am not frustrated with you Paul, I am frustrated was frustrated with Terry at times though. I think your biggest error has been failing to notice that I have never tried to say you are wrong Paul, and I have never provided an alternative to your point of view. You have failed to press me for

[Libertarian] Re: Are Libertarians anarchists? It's time to decide

2006-02-27 Thread uncoolrabbit
While schollarly writting pertaining to Libertarian philosophy and Libertarian movement are not the intended content of LPN, in reading the mentioned policy manual one can see (c) those discussing the tactics and strategy of Party political activities. Now, the sholastic portion of this

[Libertarian] [RRND] 02/27 -- Iraq: US soldier, Iraqis killed in attacks; Iran: Four wounded in blast

2006-02-27 Thread Terry L Parker
Rational Review News Digest -- Published Monday-Friday, except for holidays Made possible by the generous support of our readers http://www.rationalreview.com/news Produced in cooperation with the International Society for

[Libertarian] Old Borders/Businesses Bypassed by Net Music/Arts

2006-02-27 Thread Terry L Parker
'When people have friends and customers in other lands, they take a dim view of their govt dropping bombs on them' -Terry Liberty Parker Internet helps musicians spread their word 2/27/2006 11:10 AM By: Reagan Hackleman

[Libertarian] Federalism symposium @ St. John's, 3/3/2006

2006-02-27 Thread Jon Roland
Symposium at St. John's this Friday, March 3, 2006. Click here for the symposium brochure http://www.stjohns.edu/media/3/892d4756f52a4b4396e04a77fe5cbdfc.pdf in PDF form. Symposium papers will be published this spring in a 20^th anniversary issue of the /St. John's// Journal of Legal

Re: [Libertarian] Re: Bush a Lefty now on foreign policy?

2006-02-27 Thread Marlon Machado
Actually, the UAE Government is a private company owned by the families that run the different Emirates. The Emirates themselves are technically private estates. Citizens are such just because the royal families allow them to hang out, not because they own anything or have any rights over the

[Libertarian] Re: Bush a Lefty now on foreign policy?

2006-02-27 Thread Eric Dondero Rittberg
Steven, I don't think that my points about North Korea and Iran running our Airports were silly. That's the logical extension of your argument. Sure, the UAE is no Iran. But if you can bend the rules for a mixed-bag country like the UAE - mixed at best btw, why not all the way? --- In

[Libertarian] Re: Bush a Lefty now on foreign policy?

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
How about allowing private companies to run the airports? As long as they do it safely and efficiently, I don't see how it matters if they're from North Korea, Cuba, Iran, or any other nation. Those who provide the best service at the best price do it. --- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Eric

[Libertarian] Re: What to do? was: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
Up until this weekend, there 2 possible ways to make this happen. 1. Getting Libertarian Party members elected to all levels of government and getting them into the Supreme Court. 2. Violent and bloody revolution. Sadly, option one had the door closed on it this weekend when a

RE: [Libertarian] Re: What to do? was: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread mark robert
Paul, What about jury nullification as a third option? -Mark {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to vote not guilty based on nothing more than a disagreement with the case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's instructions. There is absolutely

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then how do you propose to take from people what is theirs by the right of property? I don't. On this point you are very very very wrong. This a personal property issue. It has everything to do with property rights. The claim

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
If you claim that I need to prove that Americans own and control the borders of America, you deny the sovereignty of America and are unreasonable. I don't have to prove it. Look at a map and prove it to yourself. We own the borders. If you want to bring your foreign goods across our borders,

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The right to property is an absolute right. I can move my property where I own or have secured the right of way. If I own the property, then I own the right of way. If you come on to my property and interfere with the movement of

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
You do not have a logical argument. In fact your argument is illogical, and completely untenable. I've have presented thoughtful, intelligent, well-reasoned, and cohent arguments backed by facts and libertarian philosophy. Your claims have amounted to shouting Nuh uh! You have repeated your

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a fascinating thread. I'm torn. I occasionally attend auction-barn auctions. There are rules for the audience of potential bidders. One is that no one but the auctioneer is

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
Borders are irrelevant? You are digging a deeper and deeper hole and you're never going to get out. Your right to property does not entitle you to sell it on the property of another person. Borders absolutely do matter, whether or not you own the property does not. Your claims are as

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
Your question was, How, in a Libertarian Society, is it not an initiation of force to mandate a seller to charge, and a buyer to pay, to the goverment, a Tax on the sale of those goods? First, there is no initiation of force to mandate a buyer to pay a tax on the sale of goods. They can avoid

[Libertarian] Re: What to do? was: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
Juries don't get to nullify unconstitutional decisions of the Supreme Court. --- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, mark robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, What about jury nullification as a third option? -Mark {American jurors have complete

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
Since you seem to be a fan of word games, I'll go along. You said that I proved that I'm not in favor of initiating force but not of using limited force. Ok, that's fine with me. Libertarians are in favor of using force (including deadly force) against those who use force against us. You have

[Libertarian] What to do? work for the candidates

2006-02-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Boyd, What do we do? We run for office, and if we can't do that, we help each other get elected! We support those that are at least moving in the right direction. I understand that we can debate whether a 3% import tarrif is 'initiation of force' or not, but let's agree we are all on the

RE: [Libertarian] Re: What to do? was: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread mark robert
An informed juror can not directly nullify legislation or decisions. But he/she can indirectly. If defendants keep getting off via mistrials, prosecutors will eventually stop prosecuting/enforcing those kinds of cases - the laws in effect, nullified. But. Maybe you are right about SC

[Libertarian] The Libertarian Party is Dead

2006-02-27 Thread Paul
Over the years, the LP has had one thing that made it better than all other parties. It's the one thing that made it stand out, and which made it the only viable option for making peaceful change in America and that thing is our libertarian principles. Last weekend those principles were sold

[Libertarian] Re: initiation of force

2006-02-27 Thread uncoolrabbit
This is the answer I hoped to see from you Paul, thank you for finally answering my question rather than dodging it. The legitimate role of government includes protecting people and businesses from fraud, theft, coercion, etc. in the markets. This protection comes at a price. That price can