http://constitutionalism.blogspot.com/2005/06/thomas-comes-closest-in-ashcroft-v.html
The decision in Ashcroft v. Raich (restyled Gonzalez v. Raich since Alberto
Gonzalez succeeded John Ashcroft as U.S. Attorney General) is a setback for
constitutional fidelity. Of all the members of the U.S.
I have read most of what the Founders wrote, and none of them discussed
abortion. It was almost unknown in the colonies, where every pregnancy was
welcome, even the bastards of unmarried people. The situation was different
in Europe, where abortion was fairly common. It is estimated by some
Here is the message I sent:
The Senate should reject anyone who is not dedicated to compliance with the
Constitution as originally understood. That excludes progressives,
conservatives, and centrists. Indeed, it excludes every judge in the
United States. Only a few lawyers and legal scholars
The lead article is misleading in an important way: It suggests that the
judiciary is the instigator of the claimed monopoly on constitutional
interpretation, but it is not. The courts don't make any such claim, and
many of the Supreme Court justices are constantly urging people generally,
and
See my articles at http://constitutionalism.blogspot.com . My theory, based
on reading the Islamic imperialists' own web sites, which anyone can do, is
that their strategic aims involve the following:
1. Getting the entire planet to convert to Islam by the year 2100, and
reduce entire world
Sunday I will be getting training for a concealed-carry permit. Not sure of
evening plans, but have to take a friend to work at about 10:00 PM.
-- Jon
Our efforts depend on donations from people like you. Directions
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These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are
things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down
and now published by court reporters who had the torment of staying
calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.
__
People can read Islamic and other writings online at
http://www.constitution.org/scriptur.htm There is no really good alternative
to reading primary sources.
-- Jon
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It is unclear who is writing what in these interspersed paragraphs. How
about labeling each paragraph so we can tell who authored it.
-- Jon
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Many conservatives, such as Lino Graglia, are now taking the position that
judicial activism (see http://law.hku.hk/lawof/UploadFile/1030.htm ) is a
court overturning an act of a legislative branch. In other words, not
deferring to the legislative (and
Recent additions in chronological order of publication:
http://www.constitution.org/coke/coke.htm
Selected Works of Edward Coke (~1628) — Commentary on English common and
statutory law, including the Institutes and the Reports.
http://www.constitution.org/cmt/jpa1703/jpa1703.htm
The Subject's
As someone who has successfully gotten press coverage for several
organizations and movements, I offer a key element that most newcomers
tend to overlook, and that all the successful PR professionals do:
Develop personal relationships with key media personnel. You can stage
demonstrations, and put
C-SPAN2 Tuesday August 2, 2005, 6:00 PM ET. Interpreting the Constitution.
Panel at the national convention of the American Constitution Society in
Washington, DC. Not to be confused with the Constitution Society, which is
an organization of originalists. This is a repeat.
You may also want to
In 1888 a lawyer, William B. Hornblower, gave a speech on whether New York
should
adopt a statutory codification of common-law precedent. In the course of his
argument, online at http://www.constitution.org/cmt/hornblower/cod_law.htm he
made
a number of points about constitutional law and the
A Lawyer's View of the Justice System
by Joseph H. Delaney
The following, written by a practicing lawyer, is excerpted under the
doctrine of fair use, from an article entitled So, You Want to Write a Law
Story?, in the July/August, 1999, issue of Analog Science Fiction and Fact,
Vol. CXVIX No. 7
Originally posted: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 01:15:05 -0500
--Forwarded from Walter J. Burien--
STATE JUDGES (Retirement Pensions)
New Jersey Judges = $5,000,000.00 after 1 year tenure. (1989's figures)
Arizona Judges = Approximately $3,000,000.00 after 18 Months tenure
(1994's figures)
Federal
http://www.redressinc.org/JudicialMisconduct.html
http://www.hofstra.edu/PDF/law_lawrev_Gray_vol32no4.pdf
http://www.caught.net/caught/weisb.htm
http://www.roddriver.com/riissues_000414.html
http://www.civicusa.org/animalrightsterrorists/id1.html
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32935.pdf
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Subject: [Lis-LEAF] Blogger jailed for exposing info on blog
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:15:09 -0500
From: R. J. Tavel, J.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Learning Electronically About Freedom mailing service
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
GET ALL THE BREAKING LEGAL NEWS ALL THE
This is a concept I urged beginning about 1996 and called a WIPNet: Wireless
Internet of Portable Nodes + et.
http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/09/issue/editor.asp?trk=nl
http://www.constitution.org/wipnet/wipnet.htm
It has important uses for emergency communications.
-- Jon
Activity Report of the Constitution Society
Jon Roland 2005/08/24
During April and May, 2005, I toured the East Coast, meeting many people and
organizations, attending conferences, and gathering old documents from various
archives, to be added to the website. Most of those documents have
http://www.pynthan.com/vri/questorm.htm
Questorming
Outline of the Method
Copyright © 1985 Jon Roland. All rights reserved
Questorming is a variant of brainstorming, the technique developed at MIT in
the
1950s for getting a group of participants to come up with more creative
solutions
The proposed Fair Tax would be constitutional, unlike the income tax, and the
constitutionalists among us should support it for that reason. However, it does
have some flaws, which should be pointed out.
First, it is only on tangible trade objects, not on services, and this is now
mostly a
Original Message
Subject: RE: Emergencies, constitutions, Milligan and Padilla
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:20:38 -0500
From: Douglas Laycock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Padilla appears to mean that the government could arrest any one of us
tomorrow, allege that we had been on a battlefield
Original Message
Subject: Constitution Day Talk
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:25:30 -0400
From: Institute of Bill of Rights Law [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: IBRL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The College of William Mary has designated
September 16, 2005, for observance of
Constitution Day and
Bob Dunbar wrote:
Jon...bad math1 sq mile = 27 878 400 sq feet 265 000 (sq mile) =
7.387776 × (10 to the 12th) sq feet If EARTH had 7.38 billion (10 to
9th) there would be abt 1000 sq feet/person..(actual population is abt
6.3b and actual using your stats is 1160 sq ft/person
Correct.
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/auto/epaper/editions/today/news_342278fe0324917e000f.html
Armed militia protects its New Orleans neighborhood
Band of neighbors survived Hurricane Katrina, then fought off looters.
By Bob Dart
WASHINGTON BUREAU
Saturday, September 10, 2005
NEW
I'm forwarding this to test the suspicion it is being censored by
Yahoogroups spam filters.
Original Message
Subject: [tuffmilitia.com] Court upholds detention of U.S. Citizens WITHOUT
A TRIAL ! ! !
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:30:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Perna [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, I know Padilla's lawyers stipulated, but in my view, unwisely, and even
so, the Court had the duty to presume nonauthority, not authority, despite
the stipulation, to so act even for enemy combatants.
-- Jon
Our efforts
The judicial nomination hearings are certainly political theater, but like
any kind of theater, it is mostly about money. It is the way that the
contending parties scare their constituents into donating more money.
So the question is not so much what is wrong with John Roberts as what is
wrong
If anyone caught the new ABC-TC series tonight about a woman, played by
Geena Davis, who ascends to the presidency, there is an obvious similarity
to Condi Rice. The Mackenzie Allen character is white, married, and served
two terms in the House of Representatives, but she was also a university
Original Message
Subject: How the Constitution was studied elsewhere
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:29:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Key [EMAIL PROTECTED]
National Center for Constitutional Studies
October 2005
Was September a Plus or a Minus for the Constitution in Your State?
The
Most of the reports, if we can credit them, indicate she is clueless about the
Constitution, and Roberts was a tough act to follow. His knowledgeability set a
high bar for future nominees. This suits me. The people I would like to see
nominated could handle themselves well in interviews and
hrearden_hr wrote:
How many have you corresponded with?
After eliminating those who are too old, or not interested in serving as a
judge,
or who are legal historians rather than lawyers, we are down to about 20, of
which
I have corresponded with 17. Six are donors.
I think Judge Janis Rogers
From a list for constitutional law professors.
Original Message
Subject: Alito, libertarianism, and conservatism
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:50:02 -0500
From: Ilya Somin
To: conlawprof conlawprof@lists.ucla.edu
The discussion of the disparate parts of the conservative coalition
jada6859 wrote:
I will try to explain to my class tomorrow what their textbook so woefully
leaves blank.
Familiar story. Which textbook? A lot of them had to revise their contents
after I
reviewed them a couple of years ago. If it's one of those I reviewed it should
be
doing better than
At the establishment of our constitutions, the
judiciary bodies were supposed to be the most helpless
and harmless members of the government. Experience,
however, soon showed in what way they were to become
the most dangerous; that the insufficiency of the means
provided for their removal gave
reviewed the issues of law raised in this case,
Petitioner-in-intervention
Jon Roland submits to the Court that existing available remedies are inadequate
for situations in which a judge violates the law, especially if where the Judge
does so according to a pattern supported by local authority
Comments?
*Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'*
*Capital Hill Blue/DOUG THOMPSON | December 9 2005
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml*
Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office
to meet with President
I just tried http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
and
its there. Maybe it was just a glitch.
-- Jon
Constitution Society 7793 Burnet Road #37, Austin, TX 78757
512/374-9585 www.constitution.org
On this day in 1791 the First Ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution, called
the
bill of Rights, became effective, and the day has ever since been celebrated.
You
can help celebrate by visiting our Documentary History of the Bill of Rights
page
at http://www.constitution.org/dhbr.htm and
This is a general criticism of most public affairs programming that examines
official acts, especially legislation, without first focusing on whether it is
constitutional, and offering argument for and against it being constitutional.
To
neglect to do so leaves the viewer the mistaken impression
geofgibson wrote:
the fact that we have so many lawyers, society is become so litigious, and so
few laws and executive orders are challenged on a Constitutional basis, at
least suggests that they are, for the most part, in accord with the
Constitution.
The presumption of constitutionality,
Injustice is the name of a new series on ABC, supposedly based on real life
cases, where the principal characters work to defend the wrongfully accused and
find the actual perpetrators. Sounds like a takeoff on Perry Mason, but ABC
provides forums for its shows where we can get on and post stories
Terry L Parker wrote:
The definition
PUBLIC morality: that which is right/wrong for all persons.
Doesn't work. See Machiavelli /The Prince/
http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince00.htm and /Discourses/
http://www.constitution.org/mac/disclivy_.htm
Almost nothing except perhaps survival is
*Judge rules Hamilton City Council can proceed with meeting*
/By PERRY PEARSON - Ravalli Republic/
The Bitterroot Human Rights Alliance and former Hamilton City Councilor
Bob Scott were unsuccessful in stopping a special meeting Friday of the
Hamilton City Council where Scott's replacement
The debate over the nomination of Samuel Alito to the U.S. Supreme Court has
brought out that he seems disposed to defer to the actions the executive and
legislative branches, and to the states, under the doctrine of the presumption
of
constitutionality. However, as Justice Kennedy testified
The following is an actual transcript of an interview with the president:
*INTERVIEWER:* So what in a sense, you're saying is that there are
certain situations ... where the president can decide that it's in the
best interests of the nation or something, and do something illegal.
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2006/01/so-much-for-presidents-assent-to.html
*So Much for the President's Assent to the McCain Amendment *
Marty Lederman
The President signed the Defense Appropriations bill on Friday. In his
signing statement
Most interesting, but I can't read the handwritten note. Perhaps one of
the people on this list can, or perhaps you can submit it to your
senator and someone on his staff can figure it out.
Begin quoted message
Jon, please take a look at this PDF file... I think it is very
This is why the Supreme Court was essentially correct in /Roe v. Wade/
(although
the reasoning in the opinion was faulty) to adopt the position that the Court
had
to adopt a uniform definition of personhood that would apply to all states,
because rights attach to persons, as a matter of law:
Paul wrote:
Minarchy = Libertarianism in action.
It's an extremely small government that does only the specific things
mentioned in the Constitution and nothing else. It's a government so
small you don't notice it in your everyday life. It doesn't regulate
business, it's not involved in
Original Message
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 12:32:24 -0600
From: Larry Becraft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recently, David Bresnahan wrote an article for New With Views that is
posted here:
http://www.newswithviews.com/BreakingNews/breaking39.htm
Therein, he comments about a very recent
Also see http://www.constitution.org/col/propaganda_army.htm
Original Message
Subject:[AMOJ_MAIN] Rally Against
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 13:48:27 -0800
From: Tom Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am following
Enjoyed your law review article Federalizing the First Responders to Acts of
Terrorism via the Militia Clauses at
http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?54+Duke+L.+J.+999 This is to request
permission to put a copy on our site, in addition to the link above, as a
backup.
However, I note
This case contains some interesting reasoning that may be useful to people who
may
receive this message, so spread it widely.
-- Jon
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An excellent portal website for searching phrases in the USC and CFR is
www.whatistaxed.com. I will be adding the same links to
http://www.constitution.org/cs_refer.htm and
http://www.constitution.org/cs_taxes.htm
-- Jon
Our
of his little temper tantrum because he
did not get his way.
For Liberty and Justice for All,
Iloilo M. Jones
Executive Director, FIJA and AJI
On Jan 15, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Jon Roland wrote:
First I heard about any of this. Comment?
Original Message Subject: Re: [FIJA
Mark Robert wrote:
But I thought my signature was the essence of FIJA's message.
Don't (didn't) they have a lot of supporting constitutional
background there? Sounds like there's some disagreement amongst
the informed jury movement.
There is in the ways positions are stated. One branch
Mark, you are somewhat confused, based on your comments below.
The fact is that most jurors today already know about jury nullification.
They
already know they can vote their conscience in defiance of the instructions
of
the bench concerning what the law is. The idea has been abundantly
Mark Robert wrote:
I have not seen any of those shows, so I can not comment. Do you have anything
else to support your statement that most jurors today already know the
FIJA-type nullification information? When I explain it, hardly anyone already
knew. Besides, if that's true, then isn't FIJA
Sorry, I can see how you might get confused, but cleaning it up is too much
trouble. Just count the chars. Conrad is arguing for jurors not knowing, and
I
am arguing they actually know but aren't sure and are susceptible to herd
pressures that will override what they know unless that is
Interestingly, there is much in what Clay says about the situation of the jury
in
America today with which I agree. I don't agree with his characterization of the
personalities involved, but I have always cultivated the art of getting along
with
all kinds of people, and helping them get along
with
that swine.
Best regards,
Iloilo
On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:16 PM, Jon Roland wrote:
Interestingly, there is much in what Clay says about the situation of
the jury in America today with which I agree. I don't agree with his
characterization of the personalities involved
Mark Robert wrote:
I understand your push to argue law before jurors for purposes of
assuring and educating them, but I am not sure I understand your
skepticism against promoting further publicity of FIJA-type jury
nullification. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Just using a word,
What are your ratings of libertarian websites and blogs, such as
www.constitution.org ?
You might also give a rating for the number of times the term libertarian is
appearing in the major media in a favorable light. I notice an increase, but of
course I am on the lookout for it.
-- Jon
Mark Robert wrote:
Jon,
Finally got the spelling of my name right.:)
The only difference I see is that you are promoting gov-allowed
education of the jury during trial, and I am promoting education
of the jury before trial.
Actually, I am promoting both, with the intention of using each to
Money will corrupt politics as long as it can influence the outcome of
elections.
When the country was founded, voters sought out and paid for the information
they
would need to make voting decisions. This gave sources of that information an
incentive to be complete and accurate, and afforded
Eric Dondero Rittberg wrote:
Real America watches TV!!
Which is one of the reasons we have Libertarian tv programs here in Austin that
are also webcast.
However, the internet is gaining ground. Surveys indicate people are spending
as
much or more time online than watching tv. If present
After taking a lot of your polls, answering soft, ambiguous questions that
don't
present meaningful alternatives or a way to register the importance of
anything, I
would like to begin to see polls that get into important topics. For example,
you
might have questions on a long list of
Original Message
Subject: FW: List serv/hearing notice
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:42:01 -0600
From: Woodson, Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Woodson, Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The ABA Joint Commission to Evaluate the Model Code of Judicial Conduct
mark robert wrote:
Let me know when your bumper-stickers are ready.
They have been for a long time. It's just the page for just our bumperstickers
that is under construction. You can find most of ours mixed with others at
From the FIJA list.
Original Message
Subject: Re: [FIJA] Re: : Model Code of Judicial Conduct: Public Comment
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 12:24:23 -0600
From: Jon Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Constitution Society
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References
Just caught the presentation on C-SPAN2 of the segment on the book, /Surviving
Justice/, edited by Dave Eggers and Lola Vollen, about some cases of
miscarriage
of justice. We commend you for your website and associated websites
http://www.voiceofwitness.com/index.html
mark robert wrote:
I'm looking for a negative term for those who characteristically
emphasizes security and protection and safety over rights and
freedom and happiness.
Cowards.
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This is the 1872 U.S. Supreme Court case that established nearly absolute
judicial
immunity in the United States, and that is cited by judges in answer to claims
that they have exceeded their jurisdiction or violate the law.
-- Jon
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*From:* Jon Roland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:45 AM
*Subject:* [Lex_Rex] Re: [AMOJ_MAIN] Fourteenth Amendment
Citizenship explained, by Mark Ferran www.billstclair.com/ferran
http
The evidence is that the 16th was not ratified, but there are problems with the
14th as well. First, the duress. Second, some arguably unconstitutional state
legislatures that ratified it. Third, the rescissions of some of the state
legislatures before the three-fourths point was reached. If
For those of us who find much to admire in the 14th Amendment, it is painful to
have to report that it was not ratified, but the constitutional scholar has to
follow the truth wherever it leads, and report what he finds, no matter how
much
it might hurt. The following article summarizes the
Indeed, I am planning to do something like that, but wanted to get the
ball rolling.
There are plenty of state and U.S. precedents that presume the
ratification of the 14th. It is easy to find them, so it is not
necessary for me to dump a load of cites on readers.
An interesting historical
Just added to our site at
http://www.constitution.org/tax/us-ic/irc/irc_jan2002.pdf . This is a
searchable
PDF, but its 3186 pages are 13.7 MB, making it a slow download if you don't
have
broadband. Now you can study it yourself to determine what liability for taxes
you
may (or may not)
Both the eagle and the roadrunner are declining species. I suggest a human
being
-- with a gun in his hands.
-- Jon
Our efforts depend on donations from people like you. Directions
for donors are at
A better, simpler way to put it is, your vote is extremely unlikely to affect
the
outcome of an election. All it can do is /influence policy/. And a vote for one
of
the two main candidates will be lost in the mass of voters, while a vote for a
minor candidate, especially if he gets enough to
The discussion is misframed. Violence can be righteous as well as
unrighteous, just as well as unjust. It is not violence, but unjust
violence that is properly opposed. By focusing on violence instead of on
justice, the discussion is diverted from its proper course. The two
guiding stars are
Symposium at St. John's this Friday, March 3, 2006. Click here for the
symposium brochure
http://www.stjohns.edu/media/3/892d4756f52a4b4396e04a77fe5cbdfc.pdf in
PDF form.
Symposium papers will be published this spring in a 20^th anniversary
issue of the /St. John's// Journal of Legal
The more direct URL is
http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/lhr/23.2/gillman.html
Original Message
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:25:09 -0800
From: Howard Gillman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: conlawprof@lists.ucla.edu
For a recent debate on the historical understanding of the
Original Message
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:25:09 -0800
From: Howard Gillman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: conlawprof@lists.ucla.edu
For a recent debate on the historical understanding of the taxing/spending
power,
as applied to the New Deal, see the exchange between Michele Landis
Excellent summary of the threat to the right to trial by jury that
deserves to be read and acted on by others. It should be expanded into a
law review article, or if that has already been done, the article should
be made available online and cited by its web URL. Unfortunately, this
posting is
I was referring to the corpus of your messages to this and other fora,
not just to one message. But, yes Clay, this message did contain
personal attacks, and your failure to perceive that is part of your
problem. An organization is just several individuals, whose activities
are the sum of the
. But that is NOT the mission of
FIJA, has never been, and the board sees no reason to dilute our
efforts, nor do I. Absolutely nothing prohibits Clay Conrad or you,
Jon Roland, from taking his vision, or yours, and starting an
organization to accomplish the ends you both seem to find
A friend reminded me of this letter from Thomas Jefferson, which we have
online at http://www.constitution.org/tj/jeff15.txt It indicates he
agreed with the finding in /Marbury v. Madison/ that the federal courts
do not have the authority to issue writs of /mandamus/ to executive
officials.
The distinction I made when renaming this thread on why jurors tend to
defer to authority was between the respect of effective, that is,
comparatively adequate, people for those they recognize, with some
rational basis, as even more effective, those with superior virtue, the
excellent, and the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/11/2006 5:16:34 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That means introducing to the jury an innovation that at least
one of them is likely to adopt. What are the alternatives for
such innovations?
Many have
jurygeek wrote:
JN is primarily a criminal doctrine. As a matter of fact, in 18th
century legal dictionaries, the criminal jury was defined as a judge
of fact and law, and the civil jury defined as a judge of fact only.
That was mainly because there was little if any enactment law involved
See http://www.glimmeriqs.com/ Might be worth a look.
-- Jon
Constitution Society 7793 Burnet Road #37, Austin, TX 78757
512/374-9585 www.constitution.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]
United States of America v. Lloyd Long filed in the U.S. District Court,
Eastern District of Tennessee and was decided
on October 15, 1993.
Tennessee Man Freed on Tax Charges
In an amazing court case involving the income tax, a Chattanooga jury
agreed with the argument by the defendant that the
per issue on a bi-weekly basis.
Enjoy!
David Deschesne
Editor/Publisher
FORT FAIRFIELD JOURNAL
P.O. Box 1310
Presque Isle, Maine 04769
(207) 764-4210
www.mainemediaresources.com/ffj.htm
http://www.mainemediaresources.com/ffj.htm
- Original Message -
*From:* Jon Roland mailto
Saw the movie this evening. I recommend it. It is ultimately a character
study of those who commit tyranny and those who resist it. In the end
V comes to realize he has become a monster in fighting monsters, but
he adopts a solution that confronts us all with our relation to tyranny
and the
and
not advancing their career prospects.
So by all means call them murderers, but just don't make the mistake
they do of not being reflective of what you are doing and the full
consequences of it to everyone.
Geof Gibson wrote:
--- In Libertarian@yahoogroups.com, Jon Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED
I am here. Why would you suspect otherwise? :-)
-- Jon
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Constitution Society 7793 Burnet Road
And If men were angels, no government would be necessary. (James
Madison, Federalist 51, Feb. 6, 1788) You are calling for nothing less
than a general change in human nature, with no one omitted from the
change. The people who would accept your argument are the ones who don't
need it, and are
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