Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-12 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Wol, *, Wols Lists schrieb: On 10/12/10 21:18, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: [.. who misses useless UI features ..] Again: see above. (You told me to click the exclamation mark - where should I click now?). Unfortunately, this then plays havoc with the next bunch of users - who have at

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-10 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Sebastian, *, Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:59:37 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote: What You as an individual do use or don't *must not* be a criterium for UI and feature changes. Even and especially not because You are a software

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-10 Thread Wols Lists
On 10/12/10 21:18, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: All I am going to add is: which user prefers single-clicks for some status bar items and double-clicks on others, while some are not clickable at all?. One who has been told / has learned to do so and doesn't bother on any theory of

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-09 Thread Friedrich Strohmaier
Hi Sebastian, *, Sorry for late answer - I'm scanning the dev list occasionally only.. Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: Am I the only one finding the current status bar pretty much useless? Shure not, but that is not the question in matter. About the only thing I actually use there, is the zoom

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-09 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 22:59:37 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote: What You as an individual do use or don't *must not* be a criterium for UI and feature changes. Even and especially not because You are a software developer! Hi Friedrich, this thread already became

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-01 Thread David Tardon
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:26:54AM +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: - I have to single-click on the INSRT and STD-EXT-ADD-BLK and language selection thingies, but to double-click on the Page 1/1 and Default for something to happen. I just found out by coincidence today that I can launch

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-01 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 20:28 +, Michael Meeks wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 13:03 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Is there a use case to justify exposing any of this to users? Can you expand on what you mean by 'any of this'? I guess the root problem is that you can do operations

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-12-01 Thread Joshua Ismael
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:26:54AM +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: BLK selects (roughly) rectangular blocks (is this useful for anything?) D. Block selection is useful when copying text from PDF files that were in columns. ___ LibreOffice mailing

[Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Am I the only one finding the current status bar pretty much useless? About the only thing I actually use there, is the zoom slidebar (and I wouldn't use that if I were able to have a single set 'optimal' zoom button in my toolbar which doesn't seem possible). - What annoys me most is the

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Nigel Hawkins
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 12:12 +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: 2) Remove the Selection mode thing. Unless people are really using that. I use it. Probably not often enough to warrant it being on the status bar permanently, but it does get used. Nigel

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Kohei Yoshida
Hi Sebastian, On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 11:26 +0100, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: - What annoys me most is the document modified indicator. If it is unmodified, I see some *empty* separators in the status bar (why do we show empty separators? these should GO GO GO away) and the mouse tooltip

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Regina Henschel
Hi Sebastian, Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: Am I the only one finding the current status bar pretty much useless? Yes ;) To learn more about the status bar have a look at http://www.ooowiki.de/StatusLeiste. It is in German and needs an update, but the text shows, that the status bar is a great

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 9:54am -0500 Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Sorry I have to disagree there. I'm the one who put that icon there, and the reason for that was to have a visually obvious way to tell whether or not the document is currently modified. A lot of people were using the save icon status for

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 10:34 -0500, Kevin Hunter wrote: At 9:54am -0500 Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Sorry I have to disagree there. I'm the one who put that icon there, and the reason for that was to have a visually obvious way to tell whether or not the document is currently

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 12:30 -0500, Joe Smith wrote: On 11/30/2010 09:54 AM, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Sorry I have to disagree there. I'm the one who put that icon there, and the reason for that was to have a visually obvious way to tell whether or not the document is currently modified. A

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Joe, Joe Smith wrote (30-11-10 18:30) I think Sebastian has raised a number of good points. Forcing users to deal with stuff that only experts care about is a huge problem with OOo; I sincerely hope LibO can do better. Information given by the status bar, plus the control options it gives,

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:54:37 -0500, Kohei Yoshida wrote: a) This is the standard state of my documents (see, I tend to modify docs in a editor, DOH), and that exclamation mark purports some sense of urgency and failure. Sorry I have to disagree there. Thanks for the info

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:50:28 +0100, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Information given by the status bar, plus the control options it gives, often is important for users I advise. Nobody, lest I, doubts or denies that. But do your users like to remember on which items they have to single,

Re: [Libreoffice] LO status bar annoyances

2010-11-30 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:22:36 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote: Sebastian Spaeth schrieb: Am I the only one finding the current status bar pretty much useless? Yes ;) OK, let me be more precise has improvement potential in its current form :) To learn more about the status bar have a look at