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* Present: + Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Olivier, Norbert, Michael M, Xisco, Eike, Christian, Sophie, Stephan, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael S * Completed Action Items: + add Mark Page to committers (Norbert) * Pending Action Items: + FOSDEM hack-fest attendees:

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* Present: + Andras, Caolan, Kendy, JanI, Xisco, Michael M, Stephan, Miklos, Bjoern, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Thorsten * Completed Action Items: + setup bibisect repository for 4.3 with Norbert (Xisco) + [ Norbert showed how to do it – already building the data ] +

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* Present: + Andras, Caolan, Kendy, JanI, Xisco, Michael M, Stephan, Miklos, Bjoern, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Thorsten * Completed Action Items: + setup bibisect repository for 4.3 with Norbert (Xisco) + [ Norbert showed how to do it – already building the data ] +

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Hi David, *, (hijacking sberg's post for the easier to remember subject :-)) On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote: > On 01/27/2017 07:07 AM, David Ostrovsky wrote: >> On Thu Jan 26 15:49:52 UTC 2017, Michael Meeks wrote: >> [...] >>> >>> * Gerrit feedback

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On 01/27/2017 07:07 AM, David Ostrovsky wrote: On Thu Jan 26 15:49:52 UTC 2017, Michael Meeks wrote: [...] * Gerrit feedback for David (Michael) + going to the gerrit conf. on our behalf. That reminds me of another thing I'm occasionally missing with Gerrit: URLs for individual comments

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Hi David, On 27/01/17 06:07, David Ostrovsky wrote: > On Thu Jan 26 15:49:52 UTC 2017, Michael Meeks wrote: >>+ love a queue that auto-merged when CI succeeds (Michael) > > The missing bits for that feature were finalized and merged during > recent Gerrit hackathon and will be included in

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Hi, > * TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten) > + checkout spreadsheet: > https://demo.collaboracloudsuite.com/tdf/index.php/apps/richdocuments/index#719_%2FESC%20minutes > + currently ranked by highest score > + interesting ranking, thanks for rating. When will these

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Hi, > * TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten) > + checkout spreadsheet: > https://demo.collaboracloudsuite.com/tdf/index.php/apps/richdocuments/index#719_%2FESC%20minutes > + currently ranked by highest score > + interesting ranking, thanks for rating. When will these

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Michael Meeks wrote: > * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 5.2.5 release status + announced today https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/5.2.5/RC1 this page is still empty. the list of fixed bugs has not been published yet. Tommy

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Am 27.01.2017 um 07:07 schrieb David Ostrovsky: > It would be also cool, if you could look into new and shiny gerrit UI, > based on JavaScript Polymer framework, and provide feedback. You can > see the new UI in action upstream by switching in footer to new UI. > Only change screen is implemented

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On Thu Jan 26 15:49:52 UTC 2017, Michael Meeks wrote: [...] >* Gerrit feedback for David (Michael) >+ going to the gerrit conf. on our behalf. Thanks! >+ annoying behavior – automatic lost of comments when not logged in (Miklos) >+ if reply needs re-login, comment is lost. Yes.

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* Enable creating backups of user profile in release builds (Bubli) + part of profile safe mode feature + 2 backups (zip archives) of user profile kept around in non-release builds + user profile can be restored from those backups in safe mode + a patch from Samuel M:

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) + Eventually not reverted: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-tp4205182p4205193.html Fixed by Tomaž Vajngerl - Thanks + investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco) [ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest

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) + Eventually not reverted: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-call-tp4205182p4205193.html Fixed by Tomaž Vajngerl - Thanks + investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco) [ https://gitlab.com/odfplugfest

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JanI) + September – September numbers here https://conference.libreoffice.org/assets/Conference/Brno/iversen-development-mentoring.pdf + test over the weekend – decide RC2 or release on Tuesday (Xisco) - http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-

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JanI) + September – September numbers here https://conference.libreoffice.org/assets/Conference/Brno/iversen-development-mentoring.pdf + test over the weekend – decide RC2 or release on Tuesday (Xisco) - http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/minutes-of-ESC-

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Hi, El 13/01/17 a les 15:03, Michael Meeks ha escrit: * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 5.2.5 RC1 schedule acceleration ? + fixes for both regressions in 5.2 + builds done, tagging finished, up-loading underway. + should we do an RC1 release as final ?

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Hi, On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 04:41:44PM +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > So, dropping make 3.8.1 on Mac would clearly push people not to build > with the XCode system provided tools ? Well, it is still GNU make. But yes in general, its suggested to work on LibreOffice in a well defined

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Hi, On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 04:41:44PM +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > So, dropping make 3.8.1 on Mac would clearly push people not to build > with the XCode system provided tools ? Well, it is still GNU make. But yes in general, its suggested to work on LibreOffice in a well defined

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Le 13/01/2017 à 15:03, Michael Meeks a écrit : > * make 3.81 (Michael S) > + Mac comes with 3.81 (Cloph) >+ but fine with dropping support for it. >+ if people build with lode – they get a current make anyway (Michael > S) > + recommended (JanI) So, dropping make

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Hello all, + new issue created as MAB tdf#105259 + Beluga: can’t be fixed before 5.3 + asking for help with glade (Heiko) + even the simple reverting is risky (Xisco) + we need to fix the dialog (Heiko) + fixing and testing in one week not

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Sorry for the delay. * Present + Stephan, Andras, Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M, Sophie, Christian, Lionel, Norbert, Thorsten, Bubli, Michael S, Eike, Jan-Marek, Bjoern * Completed Action Items: + write to Aron & Heiko to welcome to committing (Kendy)

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Sorry for the delay. * Present + Stephan, Andras, Caolan, Heiko, JanI, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M, Sophie, Christian, Lionel, Norbert, Thorsten, Bubli, Michael S, Eike, Jan-Marek, Bjoern * Completed Action Items: + write to Aron & Heiko to welcome to committing (Kendy)

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Hi *, On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > […] > * Release Engineering update (Christian) > + 5.2.5 RC1 schedule acceleration ? > + fixes for both regressions in 5.2 > + Markus’ fix may help a lot with lots of shutdown crashes. >

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* Present: + Stephan, Heiko, Kendy, Michael M, Sophie, Markus, Andras, Olivier, Xisco, Caolan, Jan-Marek, Michael S, Bjoern, Eike * Completed Action Items: + move gitdm-config from freedesktop to gerrit (Norbert) * Pending Action Items: + produce a trend / graph of last

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* Present: + Stephan, Heiko, Kendy, Michael M, Sophie, Markus, Andras, Olivier, Xisco, Caolan, Jan-Marek, Michael S, Bjoern, Eike * Completed Action Items: + move gitdm-config from freedesktop to gerrit (Norbert) * Pending Action Items: + produce a trend / graph of last

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* Participants + Stephan, Sophie, Norbert, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, Markus, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M, Christian, Thorsten, JanI * Completed Action Items: + come up an IDE integration / easy setup compromise proposal (JanI) [ cf. later in the agenda ] + have

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* Participants + Stephan, Sophie, Norbert, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, Markus, Olivier, Xisco, Michael M, Christian, Thorsten, JanI * Completed Action Items: + come up an IDE integration / easy setup compromise proposal (JanI) [ cf. later in the agenda ] + have

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Hi, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:40:21PM +0100, Thorsten Behrens wrote: > To relay some stories from real life - there's _so_ much integration > with especially OpenOffice out there, coming from legacy systems, tons > of macro-ized applications, sometimes bespoke development with the > company

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Hi Björn, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > 1/ We unpublish all API > Ok so far - > 2/ We give UNO user an opportunity to ask for republishing specific parts of >the API, when they provide a reasonable use case and promise to be the >"client steward" for these. > This is where the plan breaks

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Hi, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:24:33PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > > - we (core devs) still retain the perogatibve to do the ultimate decisions > > on > > UNO API changes > > You know - I still really like having some area where people can work > without asking someone; I think having

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Hi Bjoern, On 16/12/16 12:11, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Maybe we should change the meaning of "published" then? Currently, "published" > means a onesided promise to each and eevery person on this planet -- people > that we have > no relation with at all -- that we will never ever change this

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I have an even blunter suggestion: In a branch (branched off 5.2, for instance), we unpublish and rename all existing API. (For instance, s/com::sun::star/libreoffice/.) We make this very public, and make a test build available that contains it. And then we wait for reports what external software

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Hi, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:42:43AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hmm ! ;-) My concern would be that removing the 'published' tag > everywhere would end up making it much harder to change all UNO APIs. > There is a spectrum of views on how conservative (or otherwise) we > should be

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On 16/12/16 09:28, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:02:03PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: >> since the goal of the policy is "we can make incompatible changes >> whenever it doesn't affect any 3rd party extension or macro", the >> "published" tag is much less useful as

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On 12/16/2016 10:28 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:02:03PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: since the goal of the policy is "we can make incompatible changes whenever it doesn't affect any 3rd party extension or macro", the "published" tag is much less useful as guidance

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:02:03PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: > since the goal of the policy is "we can make incompatible changes > whenever it doesn't affect any 3rd party extension or macro", the > "published" tag is much less useful as guidance than it may appear at > first glance. So, uhmm,

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Hi Bjoern, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote on 15-12-16 19:10: > Yes, but the rationale was the extraordinary number of MM regressions we had > during the cleanup of the old (really horrible) code. That major cleanup is > finishe for the most part now, activity in the area is back to normal, so no >

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Hi Bjoern, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote on 15-12-16 19:10: > Yes, but the rationale was the extraordinary number of MM regressions we had > during the cleanup of the old (really horrible) code. That major cleanup is > finishe for the most part now, activity in the area is back to normal, so no >

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Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19:54PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote on 08-12-16 17:56: > > + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions > > + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard > > repro) > > => drop from the QA

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Hi, On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:19:54PM +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote on 08-12-16 17:56: > > + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions > > + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard > > repro) > > => drop from the QA

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Michael Meeks wrote on 08-12-16 17:56: > + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions > + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard > repro) > => drop from the QA section from now - always four. Counting 5 at the moment. -- Cor

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* Present: + Andras, Caolan, Heiko, Stephan, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten, Sophie, Xisco, Cloph, Michael S, Bubli, Michael M, Bjoern (lurking), Miklos * Completed Action Items: + create & publish wiki page for ranking (JanI)

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* Present: + Andras, Caolan, Heiko, Stephan, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten, Sophie, Xisco, Cloph, Michael S, Bubli, Michael M, Bjoern (lurking), Miklos * Completed Action Items: + create & publish wiki page for ranking (JanI)

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Michael Meeks wrote on 08-12-16 17:56: > + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions > + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard > repro) > => drop from the QA section from now - always four. Counting 5 at the moment. -- Cor

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Hi, On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 11:45:56AM +0100, Jan Iversen wrote: > Now we are getting very close to my x-mas wishlist. > > the current json files made by gbuildjson misses 2 things: > - objective C++ (and some other language) files are not accounted for Thats trivial to add and left as an

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Michael Meeks wrote: > * TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten) > + Idea generation: > + Community Building feature / fix / tooling > + Quality improvement tooling > + Hard / dull but necessary stuff not getting done > + Large missing features / function > +

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Michael Meeks wrote: > * TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten) > + Idea generation: > + Community Building feature / fix / tooling > + Quality improvement tooling > + Hard / dull but necessary stuff not getting done > + Large missing features / function > +

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On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:56:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > + who else needs a Mac ? ... answers on a post-card. I think I can make use of one, if it can get here easily. I currently use the same Mac laptop for both Linux and Mac development, not the most productive setup.

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Hello world > + Late features: > + separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli) > + still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write > the script. + we need to see the impact on translators. I'm slightly reluctant to make this 5.3

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Katarína Behrens wrote: > I'm slightly reluctant to make this 5.3 late feature, not because of > the impact on translations (which I clarified in another e-mail to > Cloph & Olivier) but because of the impact on how help is packaged > on all 3 platforms for TDF builds and Linux distributions. >

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Katarína Behrens wrote: > I'm slightly reluctant to make this 5.3 late feature, not because of > the impact on translations (which I clarified in another e-mail to > Cloph & Olivier) but because of the impact on how help is packaged > on all 3 platforms for TDF builds and Linux distributions. >

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On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:56:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > + who else needs a Mac ? ... answers on a post-card. I think I can make use of one, if it can get here easily. I currently use the same Mac laptop for both Linux and Mac development, not the most productive setup.

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Hi, On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 08:57:03PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > Sure - question is if we want to check all the un-buildable binaries > into a git repository; but we can do of course if it saves having a > shell to download things. Well, we could have the binaries in a submodule, so as

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Hi Bjoern, On 08/12/16 18:40, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: >> * download 'something' > (actually, Visual Studio can directly clone git repos, so > manual downloads shouldnt be needed) Sure - question is if we want to check all the un-buildable binaries into a git repository;

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Hello world > + Late features: > + separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli) > + still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write > the script. + we need to see the impact on translators. I'm slightly reluctant to make this 5.3

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> On 9 Dec 2016, at 11:35, Bjoern Michaelsen > wrote: > > Hi, > > some additional thoughts below: > > On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 07:40:40PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: >>> AFAICS - there -should- also be no need for cygwin, LODE, or anything >>> else in

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Hi, some additional thoughts below: On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 07:40:40PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > > AFAICS - there -should- also be no need for cygwin, LODE, or anything > > else in this world ;-) just a single download. > Ok, who is going to finally kill scp2, the horribly

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Am 08.12.2016 um 17:58 schrieb Michael Meeks: > + online (Michael) > + branched for -5-3 – will create source tarballs. Can we start having release notes for Online in the wiki also, as we do for the desktop ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.3 )? Not sure it's better

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Hi, On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 05:59:53PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > Sure - although my ideal flow for a (Windows) newbie here would be: > > * download 'something' (actually, Visual Studio can directly clone git repos, so manual downloads shouldnt be needed) > * load file

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Hi Bjoern, On 08/12/16 17:13, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > I mean, we could have a tinderbox run "./autogen.sh && make > vs2013-ide-integration" once a week and make it commit the result Visual > Studio > solutions to the core repo. Sure - although my ideal flow for a (Windows) newbie

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Hi, On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:56:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > + someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does > all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated > though (Bjoern) > [...] > + eg. a pre-canned bundle with

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Hi, On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:56:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > + someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does > all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated > though (Bjoern) > [...] > + eg. a pre-canned bundle with

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* Present: + Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian, Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert * Completed Action Items: + add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael) + turn gcc -Og on for

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* Present: + Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian, Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert * Completed Action Items: + add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael) + turn gcc -Og on for

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* Present: + Thorsten, Stephan, Heiko, Björn, Olivier, Kendy, janI, Caolán, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Eike, Sophie, Miklos, Xisco, Andras (left 16:25), Christian, Michael M * Completed Action Items: + marked osl::Condition deprecated (Michael) * Pending Action Items: + poke

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Hi Em 01/12/2016 16:32, Michael Meeks escreveu: > > * FOSDEM talks > + https://penta.fosdem.org/submission/FOSDEM17/event/new >https://penta.fosdem.org/user/new_account/FOSDEM17 if you don’t have > account yet > + DEADLINE is Monday! > + 20 minutes sessions is fine! :-)

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On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: > + LibreOffice Online pot update in Pootle? > + will double check if it is really up-to-date or not (Cloph) > https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_online/ Not updated, as of now. pot files

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On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 11:40:27AM +0100, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Lionel Elie Mamane píše v St 30. 11. 2016 v 14:55 +0100: >> The data definition (the name and structure of the tables) is just an >> SQL script in the ZIP structure of the .odb, so in principle you just >> replay that against

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Hi Lionel, Lionel Elie Mamane píše v St 30. 11. 2016 v 14:55 +0100: > The data definition (the name and structure of the tables) is just an > SQL script in the ZIP structure of the .odb, so in principle you just > replay that against Firebird with the firebird engine... The devil is > in the

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On 01/12/2016 22:03, Xisco Fauli wrote: > I've just created the event for FOSDEM and now I see it as 'undifined' > in the events section. Is that correct and enough for the event creation? I will sort the undefined when I create the schedule. What is really important is to choose the track Open

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Hello, I've just created the event for FOSDEM and now I see it as 'undifined' in the events section. Is that correct and enough for the event creation? Regards El 01/12/16 a les 19:32, Michael Meeks ha escrit: * Present: + Thorsten, Stephan, Heiko, Björn, Olivier, Kendy, janI,

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* Present: + Thorsten, Stephan, Heiko, Björn, Olivier, Kendy, janI, Caolán, Michael S, Jan-Marek, Eike, Sophie, Miklos, Xisco, Andras (left 16:25), Christian, Michael M * Completed Action Items: + marked osl::Condition deprecated (Michael) * Pending Action Items: + poke

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:35:56AM +, Caolán McNamara wrote: > On Fri, 2016-11-25 at 11:13 +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 04:46:29PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: >>> * Release Engineering update (Christian) >>> + Late features: >>> + Firebird by

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On Fri, 2016-11-25 at 11:13 +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 04:46:29PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > > > > > * Release Engineering update (Christian) > > + Late features: > > + Firebird by default ? > > + lots of missing features &

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>> + still not hyper-excited about it as default. (Lionel) >> + agreed, build issues on OS/X until recently (Norbert) >> => suggest to enable this on master for 5.4 >> AI: + ask Tamás Bunth (Wastack) how he feels about it >>

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On 11/25/2016 11:26 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: FWIW, up to this point we made no distiction between how we handle published and unpublished interfaces. We don't? At least my impression is that we do take 'published' into consideration when making informed changes to the API.

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On 25.11.2016 11:26, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 07:02:17PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: >> Personally I think Markus' take - that we shouldn't be using UNO API >> for this internal stuff is spot-on - push the API problem to the edge: >> but others have

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Hi, On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 07:02:17PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > Personally I think Markus' take - that we shouldn't be using UNO API > for this internal stuff is spot-on - push the API problem to the edge: > but others have different views =) FWIW, up to this point we made no

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On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 04:46:29PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > * Release Engineering update (Christian) > + Late features: > + Firebird by default ? > + lots of missing features & big bugs fixed recently. (Lionel) > + all of the blockers that

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On 11/24/2016 11:48 PM, Zolnai Tamás wrote: 2016-11-24 21:30 GMT+01:00 Thorsten Behrens : Michael Meeks wrote: On 24/11/16 18:34, Zolnai Tamás wrote: Can I have some code pointers from the last 5 years which shows when it is "absolutely necessary" to break compatibility?

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2016-11-24 21:30 GMT+01:00 Thorsten Behrens : > Michael Meeks wrote: >> On 24/11/16 18:34, Zolnai Tamás wrote: >> > Can I have some code pointers from the last 5 years which shows when >> > it is "absolutely necessary" to break compatibility? To see when it's >> > acceptable

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Michael Meeks wrote: > On 24/11/16 18:34, Zolnai Tamás wrote: > > Can I have some code pointers from the last 5 years which shows when > > it is "absolutely necessary" to break compatibility? To see when it's > > acceptable to do such thing. > > I think its worth discussing it with the ESC

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Michael Meeks wrote: > Personally I think Markus' take - that we shouldn't be using UNO API > for this internal stuff is spot-on - push the API problem to the > edge: > Yep. Can't think of an easy way for those silly property APIs, but for anything involving actual references to instances,

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Hi Tamás, On 24/11/16 18:34, Zolnai Tamás wrote: > Thanks for discussing this, even tough this discussion did not lead to change. Ah =) wait until Kendy has considered and implemented his magic solution here. > I have only one question for the future, if it ever comes into my mind > to

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Hi, > * Pivot-Tables / UNO / API evolution (Eike) >+ current state looks good (Eike) > + new feature will work. >+ what needs clarification in future: when & how to break stable API > + if not absolutely necessary - don't do it. > + adding a new constant is more work &

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Hi, > * Pivot-Tables / UNO / API evolution (Eike) >+ current state looks good (Eike) > + new feature will work. >+ what needs clarification in future: when & how to break stable API > + if not absolutely necessary - don't do it. > + adding a new constant is more work &

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* Present: + Norbert, Michael M, Lionel, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Andras, Caolan, Bjoern JanI, Kendy, Markus, Olivier, Stephan, Sophie, Miklos, Thorsten, Xisco, Heiko, Michael S, Rene, David * Completed Action Items: + dig out tooling on license verification for JanI

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* Present: + Norbert, Michael M, Lionel, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Andras, Caolan, Bjoern JanI, Kendy, Markus, Olivier, Stephan, Sophie, Miklos, Thorsten, Xisco, Heiko, Michael S, Rene, David * Completed Action Items: + dig out tooling on license verification for JanI

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

* Present: + Miklos, janI, Stephan, Heiko, Christian, ohallot,Norbert, Bjoern, Xisco, Stefan W., Eike * Completed Action Items: + tweak Xisco's script into some UX form (Heiko) done by Jan, some small issues still open * Pending Action Items: + dig out tooling on

minutes of ESC call ...

* Present: + Miklos, janI, Stephan, Heiko, Christian, ohallot,Norbert, Bjoern, Xisco, Stefan W., Eike * Completed Action Items: + tweak Xisco's script into some UX form (Heiko) done by Jan, some small issues still open * Pending Action Items: + dig out tooling on

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

* Present: + Stephan, Christian, janI, Sophie, Andras, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Eike, Miklos, Norbert, Caolan, Michael S, Bubli, Sweetshark, Heiko, Thorsten * Completed Action Items: + merge helpcontent / auto-screenshot patches (JanI, Bubli, Olivier) + add trace with line

minutes of ESC call ...

* Present: + Stephan, Christian, janI, Sophie, Andras, Kendy, Olivier, Xisco, Eike, Miklos, Norbert, Caolan, Michael S, Bubli, Sweetshark, Heiko, Thorsten * Completed Action Items: + merge helpcontent / auto-screenshot patches (JanI, Bubli, Olivier) + add trace with line

minutes of ESC call ...

* Present: + Norbert, Sophie, Eike, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Miklos, Olivier, Stephan, Xisco, Michael M, Thorsten, Jan-Marek, Bubli, Michael S, Lionel * Completed Action Items: + create a meta-bug for idle handling issues (Michael) [ more bugs going there, reviewed branch too -

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

* Present: + Norbert, Sophie, Eike, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Miklos, Olivier, Stephan, Xisco, Michael M, Thorsten, Jan-Marek, Bubli, Michael S, Lionel * Completed Action Items: + create a meta-bug for idle handling issues (Michael) [ more bugs going there, reviewed branch too -

Re: [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

> On 28 Oct 2016, at 12:22, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote: > > 2016-10-27 18:27 GMT+03:00 Michael Meeks >: > > * Release Engineering update (Cloph) > > + 5.2.3 RC2 status (janI) > + on servers right

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

> On 28 Oct 2016, at 12:22, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote: > > 2016-10-27 18:27 GMT+03:00 Michael Meeks >: > > * Release Engineering update (Cloph) > > + 5.2.3 RC2 status (janI) > + on servers right

Re: [libreoffice-projects] minutes of ESC call ...

2016-10-27 18:27 GMT+03:00 Michael Meeks : > > * Release Engineering update (Cloph) > > + 5.2.3 RC2 status (janI) > + on servers right now. > + uploaded and announced for testing today > + messup in Slovenian / sl translation

minutes of ESC call ...

* Present: + Stephan, Sophie, Andras, Caolan, JanI, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian, Miklos, Robinson, Jan-Marek, Bjoern, Norbert, Michael S, Xisco, Bubli * Completed Action Items: + dig out tooling on license verification for JanI (Michael) [

Re: minutes of ESC call ...

> On 21 Oct 2016, at 12:41, Katarina Behrens wrote: > > Hello world, > >>+ Looking for junior dev to finalize area style dialog >> + already in 5.3 - but randomly crashes Heiko's system. >> + not just Heiko (Miklos) >> + Meta ticket >>

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