Re: Minutes of ESC call 2017-08-17

2017-08-25 Thread khagaroth 
So what's the plan for handling the line spacing changes outfall? After
this change LO is currently unusable as it completely breaks existing
documents and the bugs don't see much activity.

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Xisco Fauli 
wrote:

> Hello,
> > + build a write-up of the differences cross-platform (Xisco)
> >   [ almost done, will send to the ML ]
> >
> Basically the line spacing differences across platforms has been reduced
> after this commit[1] ( visual example of an issue fixed by the mentioned
> commit: Windows [2] and Linux [3] ) although there are still some bugs
> showing differences between Linux and Windows [4][5]
> Besides, it seems some documents look different before and after the
> commit now.
> These are the problems I could find in Bugzilla related to the commit:
>
> 1. Some fonts with bad metrics ( [6],[7] ) were displayed better before,
> however the problem needs to be fixed in the fonts, not in LibreOffice,
> thus, NOTOURBUG.
> Note: Khaled also fixed it for OpenSymbol fonts [9].
>
> 2. UI: Some dialogs labels are slightly cropped and vertically cramped
> [9]. Differences look bigger on Linux/Mac than on Windows. This bug [10]
> seems similar.
>
> 3. Web view: Line spacing is smaller than before [11]. This really looks
> like a bug to me.
>
> 4. Calc/PDF: line spacing looks smaller when using line breaks [12].
>
> As a solution, this bug [13] has been suggested.
>
> Regards
>
> [1]
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=
> 34d7602954d4483b3bc9db700e7df2c15348947a
> [2] https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/
> attachment.cgi?id=128520
> [3] https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/
> attachment.cgi?id=128521
> [4] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92502
> [5] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104932
> [6] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107605
> [7] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107888
> [8] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106994#c7
> [9] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107249
> [10] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105860
> [11] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108710
> [12] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106111
> [13] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108891
>
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> IRC: x1sc0
>
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Re: Minutes of ESC call 2017-08-17

2017-08-21 Thread Xisco Fauli 
Hello,
> + build a write-up of the differences cross-platform (Xisco)
>   [ almost done, will send to the ML ]
>
Basically the line spacing differences across platforms has been reduced
after this commit[1] ( visual example of an issue fixed by the mentioned
commit: Windows [2] and Linux [3] ) although there are still some bugs
showing differences between Linux and Windows [4][5]
Besides, it seems some documents look different before and after the
commit now.
These are the problems I could find in Bugzilla related to the commit:

1. Some fonts with bad metrics ( [6],[7] ) were displayed better before,
however the problem needs to be fixed in the fonts, not in LibreOffice,
thus, NOTOURBUG.
Note: Khaled also fixed it for OpenSymbol fonts [9].

2. UI: Some dialogs labels are slightly cropped and vertically cramped
[9]. Differences look bigger on Linux/Mac than on Windows. This bug [10]
seems similar.

3. Web view: Line spacing is smaller than before [11]. This really looks
like a bug to me.

4. Calc/PDF: line spacing looks smaller when using line breaks [12].

As a solution, this bug [13] has been suggested.

Regards

[1]
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=34d7602954d4483b3bc9db700e7df2c15348947a
[2] https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=128520
[3] https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=128521
[4] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92502
[5] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104932
[6] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107605
[7] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107888
[8] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106994#c7
[9] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107249
[10] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105860
[11] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108710
[12] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106111
[13] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108891

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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call 2017-08-17

2017-08-17 Thread Jan Holesovsky 
* Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Stephan, Thorsten, Armin, Caolán, Miklos, Olivier,
  Xisco, Kendy, Sophie, Eike, Christian, Heiko, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ 

* Pending Action Items:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ScreenshotsAtInstall
+ work out what a good idea is here (Kendy, Thorsten)
  + next week or postpone...
+ build a write-up of the differences cross-platform (Xisco)
  [ almost done, will send to the ML ]
+ create redirect / transparent proxy so that we can use
  help.libreoffice.org directly even for the new stuff (Christian)
  [ sitemap exists, but not functional yet ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.1 RC1
+ on mirrors now
  + RC2 pending, due next week
+ 5.3.5
+ wrong translations (from master)
+ will do a 5.3.6 release later today
+ 5.3.6 would otherwise be in October, faster action is needed 
(Cloph)
+ so 5.3.7 in October instead of 5.3.6
AI: + Update the wiki (Christian)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Android viewer
+ check the crash report & deploy to the rest
+ Online

* Tender oversight (Florian)
+ Nothing new on this, would be helpful to have volunteers devs around for
  this (Cloph)
+ list of tenders, also includes the technical details / areas of knowledge:
   * 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/05/04/tender-implement-hsqldb-binary-format-import-libreoffice-201705-03/
 
 * 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/05/03/tender-deprecate-libreoffices-svg-filter-favour-svgio-201705-02/
 
 * 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/05/02/tender-improve-image-handling-libreoffice-201705-01/
 
 * 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/04/27/tender-accessibility/ 
+ please poke flo...@documentfoundation.org if you’re available
+ April / May – ESC mandated tenders issued
+ need help with awarding and assessing
+ must not be CoI’d – so not from a company that participates
+ needed, but needs the exact skills? (Thorsten)
+ ~3 proposals to look into (Florian)
+ to check the deadlines, if the proposal makes sense from the technical
  point of view, if it is achieveble (Florian)
+ not the administrative side! - TDF will take care of that
+ then check of the deliverables, if it matches (Florian)
+ not expected from you that you’d be chasing the contractors or
  anything (Thorsten)
+ ie. need competent people to review the applications (Thorsten / Florian)
+ and simple feedback - “This is bad becauses XY” / “This is the right
  thing to do”


* Documentation (Olivier)
+ SEO findings for TDF websites in a report for the Board (partial)
+ takes time, no immediate respones; ongoing
+ measuring / enhances searches wrt. LibreOffice – wiki, documentation
  websites, frontpage too
+ Help pages updates and improvements (terminology)
+ start window, etc.
+ Documentation team active and updating Guides for 6.0 release
+ 4-5 people working on this, going well
+ updating the Calc guide too
+ Small fixes in helponline.libreoffice.org 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 421(421) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(6) 12(6) 29(0)  347(-1) 
 commented 56(28)   163(35)   489(28)3298(59) 
   removed  1(0)  3(1)  6(1)   45(1)  
  resolved  7(3) 39(2) 66(6)  281(6)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 190 changes in 1 month, and 1602 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 41 changes in 1 month, and 1487 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 41 changes in 1 month, and 600 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 20 changes in 1 month, and 392 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 19 changes in 1 month, and 138 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 18 changes in 1 month, and 463 changes in 
1y
  Cor Nouws made 14 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 13 changes in 1 month, and 74 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 12 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 
1y
  Telesto made 9 changes in 1 month, and 70 changes in 1 year

+ No meeting this week since only two participants
+ Survey on Open Source aspects started (1200 participants, 50 TDF members)
+ Mascot competition voting in preparation (123 valid proposals with 
emails, 
  more in Nextcloud)
 + up/down-voting, the proposals to be randomized
 + 10 final will be evaluated separately afterwards  
 
* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+

Minutes of ESC call 2017-08-17

2017-08-17 Thread Jan Holesovsky 
* Present:
+ Jan-Marek, Stephan, Thorsten, Armin, Caolán, Miklos, Olivier,
  Xisco, Kendy, Sophie, Eike, Christian, Heiko, Michael S

* Completed Action Items:
+ 

* Pending Action Items:
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ScreenshotsAtInstall
+ work out what a good idea is here (Kendy, Thorsten)
  + next week or postpone...
+ build a write-up of the differences cross-platform (Xisco)
  [ almost done, will send to the ML ]
+ create redirect / transparent proxy so that we can use
  help.libreoffice.org directly even for the new stuff (Christian)
  [ sitemap exists, but not functional yet ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.4.1 RC1
+ on mirrors now
  + RC2 pending, due next week
+ 5.3.5
+ wrong translations (from master)
+ will do a 5.3.6 release later today
+ 5.3.6 would otherwise be in October, faster action is needed 
(Cloph)
+ so 5.3.7 in October instead of 5.3.6
AI: + Update the wiki (Christian)
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ Android viewer
+ check the crash report & deploy to the rest
+ Online

* Tender oversight (Florian)
+ Nothing new on this, would be helpful to have volunteers devs around for
  this (Cloph)
+ list of tenders, also includes the technical details / areas of knowledge:
   * 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/05/04/tender-implement-hsqldb-binary-format-import-libreoffice-201705-03/
 
 * 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/05/03/tender-deprecate-libreoffices-svg-filter-favour-svgio-201705-02/
 
 * 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/05/02/tender-improve-image-handling-libreoffice-201705-01/
 
 * 
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2017/04/27/tender-accessibility/ 
+ please poke flo...@documentfoundation.org if you’re available
+ April / May – ESC mandated tenders issued
+ need help with awarding and assessing
+ must not be CoI’d – so not from a company that participates
+ needed, but needs the exact skills? (Thorsten)
+ ~3 proposals to look into (Florian)
+ to check the deadlines, if the proposal makes sense from the technical
  point of view, if it is achieveble (Florian)
+ not the administrative side! - TDF will take care of that
+ then check of the deliverables, if it matches (Florian)
+ not expected from you that you’d be chasing the contractors or
  anything (Thorsten)
+ ie. need competent people to review the applications (Thorsten / Florian)
+ and simple feedback - “This is bad becauses XY” / “This is the right
  thing to do”


* Documentation (Olivier)
+ SEO findings for TDF websites in a report for the Board (partial)
+ takes time, no immediate respones; ongoing
+ measuring / enhances searches wrt. LibreOffice – wiki, documentation
  websites, frontpage too
+ Help pages updates and improvements (terminology)
+ start window, etc.
+ Documentation team active and updating Guides for 6.0 release
+ 4-5 people working on this, going well
+ updating the Calc guide too
+ Small fixes in helponline.libreoffice.org 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 421(421) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated
by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(6) 12(6) 29(0)  347(-1) 
 commented 56(28)   163(35)   489(28)3298(59) 
   removed  1(0)  3(1)  6(1)   45(1)  
  resolved  7(3) 39(2) 66(6)  281(6)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 190 changes in 1 month, and 1602 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 41 changes in 1 month, and 1487 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 41 changes in 1 month, and 600 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 20 changes in 1 month, and 392 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 19 changes in 1 month, and 138 changes in 1 year
  Faulí Tarazona, Xisco made 18 changes in 1 month, and 463 changes in 
1y
  Cor Nouws made 14 changes in 1 month, and 336 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 13 changes in 1 month, and 74 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 12 changes in 1 month, and 41 changes in 
1y
  Telesto made 9 changes in 1 month, and 70 changes in 1 year

+ No meeting this week since only two participants
+ Survey on Open Source aspects started (1200 participants, 50 TDF members)
+ Mascot competition voting in preparation (123 valid proposals with 
emails, 
  more in Nextcloud)
 + up/down-voting, the proposals to be randomized
 + 10 final will be evaluated separately afterwards  
 
* Crash Reporting (Caolan)
+