Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-19 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hi, I dont remember this. Was it done for sl and sr as well? Probably I forgot ... Lp, m. 19. dec. 2016 12.21 je oseba "Christian Lohmaier" napisala: > HI Martin, *, > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Martin Srebotnjak > wrote: > > > > I do not

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
HI Martin, *, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote: > > I do not mind this happening if it does not affect the l10n process. removing those context markers has been done already, and I think translators didn't notice, so I assume it won't affect the

Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 5:51 PM, khagaroth wrote: >> it seems the goal is to move away from .xhp to .xhtml >> > I hope you meant HTML 5, because XHTML is a dead end (and good riddance). What will be in the installation set of course is independent of what is used as

Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-19 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Jan, *, On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > Jan Iversen píše v Pá 16. 12. 2016 v 16:27 +0100: > >> > this change is supposed to be transparent for L10n and >> > Documentation teams, but they should know :-) >> >> It does not seem transparent for the

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-19 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Olivier, Olivier Hallot píše v So 17. 12. 2016 v 14:54 -0200: > One thing I'd like to add for evaluation of using XML for the help > contents in browsers is that, in my experience: > > * XSLT (XML style sheets), XPath and XQuery are another technologies > to master. > > * An error in a

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-17 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi Jan Em 16/12/2016 15:41, Jan Holesovsky escreveu: > Hi, > > khagaroth píše v Pá 16. 12. 2016 v 17:51 +0100: > >>> I hope you meant HTML 5, because XHTML is a dead end (and good riddance). >> html does not have markup for some of the semantics that we have (and need) >>> in the help files

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Gabor Kelemen
Hi all 2016-12-16 16:13 keltezéssel, Jan Holesovsky írta: > The idea is to get rid of the 'oldref' attribute in the help files; ie. > change > >l10n="U" oldref="13">Heading > > to > >l10n="U">Heading I did not realized oldref being part of msgctxt, so in my recent help commits removed a

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Martin Srebotnjak
Hi, Jan, 2016-12-16 17:38 GMT+01:00 Jan Holesovsky : > > It does not seem transparent for the few languages that do not use > pootle (sl and sr) please do not forget those. > > Thanks for the reminder. I hope Cloph can do the upgrade for them some > way that fits them too,

Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 05:51:41PM +0100, khagaroth wrote: > > there are many ways how to describe the same thing in html ('s and 's > > vs. and vs. 's with css vs. who-knows-what) > > CSS is the preferred way, its the same as with styles and direct formatting > in Writer. CSS is preferred for

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi, khagaroth píše v Pá 16. 12. 2016 v 17:51 +0100: > > I hope you meant HTML 5, because XHTML is a dead end (and good riddance). > > html does not have markup for some of the semantics that we have (and need) > > in the help files (like or to name few) > > > > Both and are part of HTML 5

Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Olivier Hallot
HI Michael You nailed it. Em 16/12/2016 15:05, Michael Stahl escreveu: > but maybe getting rid of the Writer based online help is already part of > the goal, i don't know. Eric Raymonds, The Cathedral and the Bazaar: /13. "Perfection (in design) is achieved not when there is nothing more to

Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Michael Stahl
On 12/16/2016 05:38 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote: > * there are many ways how to describe the same thing in html ('s and > 's vs. and vs. 's with css vs. who-knows-what) > which would make the help harder to maintain, if we eg. want to reuse > the information from there to generate other

Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread khagaroth
> > it seems the goal is to move away from .xhp to .xhtml > > I hope you meant HTML 5, because XHTML is a dead end (and good riddance). html does not have markup for some of the semantics that we have (and need) > in the help files (like or to name few) > Both and are part of HTML 5 and

Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Jan, Jan Iversen píše v Pá 16. 12. 2016 v 16:27 +0100: > > this change is supposed to be transparent for L10n and > > Documentation teams, but they should know :-) > > It does not seem transparent for the few languages that do not use pootle (sl > and sr) please do not forget those. Thanks

Re: Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Jan Iversen
> this change is supposed to be transparent for L10n and > Documentation teams, but they should know :-) It does not seem transparent for the few languages that do not use pootle (sl and sr) please do not forget those. It does also influence the help repo (of course), since the change will be a

Getting rid of 'oldref' in the help files

2016-12-16 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Cloph, all, I've recently proposed some help cleanups on the documentation@ ML, and this is the first one of them. I'm cross-posting to l10n@ and documentation@ - this change is supposed to be transparent for L10n and Documentation teams, but they should know :-) The idea is to get rid of