Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 14/12/2022 13:19, Stephan Bergmann wrote:

On 02/03/2012 15:45, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
I've never given much thought to dynamic_cast vs. XUnoTunnel (at least 
I don't remember right now I ever did; searching old mail archives 
would probably prove me wrong) -- to me XUnoTunnel was always that 
rarely needed hack where the notational overhead doesn't really hurt.  
But sure, for the UNO wrappers in the application layers things look 
different.  Anyway, thinking about it now, I see no reason one could 
not use dynamic_cast instead of XUnoTunnel in the scenario outlined 
above.


Took me ten years to find the reason again why XUnoTunnel cannot be 
replaced with dynamic_cast, in general.  :)  See 
 "New loplugin:unocast": 
  "Find uses of dynamic_cast that cast from a UNO interface type. Unless 
it is known that the dynamic_cast must succeed, it can cause a crash:  
If the source object is a proxy from the C++ UNO bridge, its vtable's 
RTTI slot will normally not be set up (see e.g. the 
ENABLE_RUNTIME_OPTIMIZATIONS code in 
bridges::cpp_uno::shared::VtableFactory::initializeBlock in 
bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_x86-64/cpp2uno.cxx)."


...but 
 
"Rudimentary support for dynamic_cast on UNO proxy objects" to the rescue :)

Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 02/03/2012 15:45, Stephan Bergmann wrote:
I've never given much thought to dynamic_cast vs. XUnoTunnel (at least I 
don't remember right now I ever did; searching old mail archives would 
probably prove me wrong) -- to me XUnoTunnel was always that rarely 
needed hack where the notational overhead doesn't really hurt.  But 
sure, for the UNO wrappers in the application layers things look 
different.  Anyway, thinking about it now, I see no reason one could not 
use dynamic_cast instead of XUnoTunnel in the scenario outlined above.


Took me ten years to find the reason again why XUnoTunnel cannot be 
replaced with dynamic_cast, in general.  :)  See 
 "New loplugin:unocast": 
 "Find uses of dynamic_cast that cast from a UNO interface type. 
Unless it is known that the dynamic_cast must succeed, it can cause a 
crash:  If the source object is a proxy from the C++ UNO bridge, its 
vtable's RTTI slot will normally not be set up (see e.g. the 
ENABLE_RUNTIME_OPTIMIZATIONS code in 
bridges::cpp_uno::shared::VtableFactory::initializeBlock in 
bridges/source/cpp_uno/gcc3_linux_x86-64/cpp2uno.cxx)."

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2019-07-25

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 25/07/2019 17:34, Jan Holesovsky wrote:

* Bump LO 6.4 Java baseline from Java 6 to 8? (Stephan)
+ Only bumped from Java 5 to 6 for LO 6.3.
+ But Java 12 is becoming ever more popular, with min target 7 (e.g.,
   "Bump Java source and target
  version to 1.7")
+ Jumping directly to Java 8 sounds reasonable
  ().
+ Java 8 is from 2014
+ should be no reason to hold back
+ is it necessary to do some work than adjusting the versions? (Miklos)
+ just version + limitation for the JVM that we detect on the machine
=> do it (Stephan)


 "Bump Java baseline to Java 
8" and 
 
"Bump baseline to Java 8"

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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2019-07-25

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
 + Heiko, Stephan, Caolán, Michael S., Cloph, Gabriel, Miklos, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ welcome Andrea as committer with scope of comments for now (Kendy)
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ discussed on the IRC and abandoned for 6.3 (Caolán) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1
+ to be tagged later today
+ translations...
+ 6.3.0 rc3
+ UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ final RC – if it passes QA, it’ll be the final
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
239(239) (topicUI) bugs open, 218(218) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(1) 17(0)  38(2)   81(1)  
 commented 58(16)   159(-15)   431(15)1439(13) 
   removed  1(-1) 2(0)   2(0)   20(0)  
  resolved  7(6) 10(3)  28(3)  134(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 75 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 277 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 31 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 213 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 28 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jul/18-25 

   * Redesign MIME type icons 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126518 
   => in discussion

   * Delete path to Gallery image from image name in list Select 
 image->Gallery in new Impress B dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126511 
   * Delete drop down sections Separator, Position, Alignment, Scope 
 in new Impress B dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126510 
   => NEW 

   * UI: 'autocorrect replacement table' bottom buttons positions 
 have been changed 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126462 
   => NAB

  -> + needsDevAdvice: Select shapes with same properties
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   + via Find & Replace as done in Writer or 
 via Navigator (enhancement) or 
 as true highlighting (see also tdf#106556)

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 3(-3) import failure, 5(-6) export failures
+ maybe the new msfonts support?
+ 136 (+1, -187) coverity issues
+ another run later today / early tomorrow
+ Google / ossfuzz
+ ?? ran over the last week, found only 2 minor issues
+ There will be no 6.1.7, 6.1.6 is advertised as the stable download.
+ 6.1 EOL, to be removed earlier than the 6.3 release
+ AI: Remove 6.1 from the download pages (Cloph)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 1034 1236 1113 1274 1460 1705 1558
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ (-3) 700 703 776 760 571 424 293 277 215 68

  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ (-85) 1002 1087 1234 1600 1645 2183 2428 2872 2401
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ (-489) 2333 2822 2733 2615 2039 1586 929 119 0
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.5.2
+ (+748) 748 0

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
  + Dresden Hackfest (Thorsten)
+ not heard anything from EU hackfest bits
+ tentatively end of October, talking to FSFE people there
   + not confirmed, working on that
+ Google Mentor summit happening in Europe end of October
   + could be a fall-back for European meetup
   + Cafe Netzwerk / CIB office or something.
  + hope to have one each quarter.

* Conference (Sophie)
   + around 85 papers submitted, CfP closed.

* GSOC 2019 (Thorsten/Xisco/Moggi/Heiko)
   + Project page:
 https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5557591040589824/ 
   + Mentors, please make sure students are active & communicating!
  + weekly reports are not optional, number decreasing!
   + next deadline:
 + Second Evaluations: July 22 - 26, 2019 !!!
 + Shubham/Gagandeep/Sumit please send missing reports
 + AI: Chase the last missing eval (Heiko) /done
   + increasingly missing weekly reports 

Minutes of ESC call: 2019-07-25

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
 + Heiko, Stephan, Caolán, Michael S., Cloph, Gabriel, Miklos, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ welcome Andrea as committer with scope of comments for now (Kendy)
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ discussed on the IRC and abandoned for 6.3 (Caolán) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1
+ to be tagged later today
+ translations...
+ 6.3.0 rc3
+ UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ final RC – if it passes QA, it’ll be the final
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
239(239) (topicUI) bugs open, 218(218) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(1) 17(0)  38(2)   81(1)  
 commented 58(16)   159(-15)   431(15)1439(13) 
   removed  1(-1) 2(0)   2(0)   20(0)  
  resolved  7(6) 10(3)  28(3)  134(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 75 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 277 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 33 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 31 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 213 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 28 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jul/18-25 

   * Redesign MIME type icons 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126518 
   => in discussion

   * Delete path to Gallery image from image name in list Select 
 image->Gallery in new Impress B dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126511 
   * Delete drop down sections Separator, Position, Alignment, Scope 
 in new Impress B dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126510 
   => NEW 

   * UI: 'autocorrect replacement table' bottom buttons positions 
 have been changed 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126462 
   => NAB

  -> + needsDevAdvice: Select shapes with same properties
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   + via Find & Replace as done in Writer or 
 via Navigator (enhancement) or 
 as true highlighting (see also tdf#106556)

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 3(-3) import failure, 5(-6) export failures
+ maybe the new msfonts support?
+ 136 (+1, -187) coverity issues
+ another run later today / early tomorrow
+ Google / ossfuzz
+ ?? ran over the last week, found only 2 minor issues
+ There will be no 6.1.7, 6.1.6 is advertised as the stable download.
+ 6.1 EOL, to be removed earlier than the 6.3 release
+ AI: Remove 6.1 from the download pages (Cloph)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 1034 1236 1113 1274 1460 1705 1558
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ (-3) 700 703 776 760 571 424 293 277 215 68

  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ (-85) 1002 1087 1234 1600 1645 2183 2428 2872 2401
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ (-489) 2333 2822 2733 2615 2039 1586 929 119 0
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.5.2
+ (+748) 748 0

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
  + Dresden Hackfest (Thorsten)
+ not heard anything from EU hackfest bits
+ tentatively end of October, talking to FSFE people there
   + not confirmed, working on that
+ Google Mentor summit happening in Europe end of October
   + could be a fall-back for European meetup
   + Cafe Netzwerk / CIB office or something.
  + hope to have one each quarter.

* Conference (Sophie)
   + around 85 papers submitted, CfP closed.

* GSOC 2019 (Thorsten/Xisco/Moggi/Heiko)
   + Project page:
 https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5557591040589824/ 
   + Mentors, please make sure students are active & communicating!
  + weekly reports are not optional, number decreasing!
   + next deadline:
 + Second Evaluations: July 22 - 26, 2019 !!!
 + Shubham/Gagandeep/Sumit please send missing reports
 + AI: Chase the last missing eval (Heiko) /done
   + increasingly missing weekly reports 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Caolan, Michael W, Michael M, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Eike, Heiko,
   Thorsten, Christian, Kaishu, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out list of papers to conference committee (Sophie)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/MigrateFromHSQLDB
   [ wiki page now has some content – thanks to all involved ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ another patch depends on this one, needs tweaking (Michael W)]
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, next week
+ 6.3.0 rc2
  + branching-off for libreoffice-6-3-0 – due this week
  + planning to tag later today.
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
  + can I push some UI patches
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75637/
  + link is highlighted in error (Heiko)
 + focusing something different no issue (Christian)
  + string change / polish (Heiko)
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75632/
 + abandoned it, not too important.
 + good to talk to /ask the translations/l10n (Michael)
   + if they’re happy, push it (Christian)
  + would like in today for rc2
  + there will be a 3rd rc3 as planned.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
241(241) (topicUI) bugs open, 219(219) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3)19(-10)38(-4)  82(-4) 
 commented 52(1)180(-25)   427(6) 1439(-2) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)   2(0)   20(2)  
  resolved  0(-2) 5(-3) 24(-3) 130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 64 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 49 changes in 1 month, and 243 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 30 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 25 changes in 1 month, and 230 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Jul/11-18

-> * Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus 
WordPro) 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173  
 + MUFFINi-ze 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-July/083144.html 
   * Context menu "open file location" from StartCenter thumbnail views 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126404  
   * Writer styles: Addressee and Sender group in subgroup Envelope 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126258  
   * Move Add/Edit/Delete buttons to right side in AutoRedact dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126431  
   * Rework Add/Edit AutoRedaction subdialogs 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126432  
   * Add a confirmation for deleting of target in AutoRedaction dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126433  
   * select shapes with the same style 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   => in discussion  
   
   * Sidebar Styles get style Icon support 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126450  
   * Ctrl-clicking hyperlink does not work in cell/text edit modes 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121039  
   => new 
   
   * Add opportunity for deleting of not existing file to "file does not
 exist" dialog in the Start Center 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126423  
   * Revise layout of HTML color palette swatches 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126403 
   => dup, wfm 
   
-> * LibreOffice components should be single apps on macOS 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97946  
 + only a single icon, you don’t get single module icons
 + request to split the install into single modules.
 + only a matter of adding launchers (Christian)
 + provide a template and pull it into your dock easily
 + D installer gets you 1 application
 + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
 + Caolan, Michael W, Michael M, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Eike, Heiko,
   Thorsten, Christian, Kaishu, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out list of papers to conference committee (Sophie)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/MigrateFromHSQLDB
   [ wiki page now has some content – thanks to all involved ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add an alias configure switch & rename KDE backend (Jan-Marek)
   [ another patch depends on this one, needs tweaking (Michael W)]
+ upgrade Android reqs to NDK19 (Kendy)
   [ patch needs pushing ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, next week
+ 6.3.0 rc2
  + branching-off for libreoffice-6-3-0 – due this week
  + planning to tag later today.
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
  + can I push some UI patches
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75637/
  + link is highlighted in error (Heiko)
 + focusing something different no issue (Christian)
  + string change / polish (Heiko)
 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/75632/
 + abandoned it, not too important.
 + good to talk to /ask the translations/l10n (Michael)
   + if they’re happy, push it (Christian)
  + would like in today for rc2
  + there will be a 3rd rc3 as planned.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation
+ Olivier was missed.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
241(241) (topicUI) bugs open, 219(219) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  8(-3)19(-10)38(-4)  82(-4) 
 commented 52(1)180(-25)   427(6) 1439(-2) 
   removed  2(2)  2(2)   2(0)   20(2)  
  resolved  0(-2) 5(-3) 24(-3) 130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 64 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 49 changes in 1 month, and 243 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 35 changes in 1 month, and 273 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 30 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 130 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 25 changes in 1 month, and 230 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 17 changes in 1 month, and 200 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Budea, Áron made 13 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Jul/11-18

-> * Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus 
WordPro) 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173  
 + MUFFINi-ze 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-July/083144.html 
   * Context menu "open file location" from StartCenter thumbnail views 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126404  
   * Writer styles: Addressee and Sender group in subgroup Envelope 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126258  
   * Move Add/Edit/Delete buttons to right side in AutoRedact dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126431  
   * Rework Add/Edit AutoRedaction subdialogs 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126432  
   * Add a confirmation for deleting of target in AutoRedaction dialog 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126433  
   * select shapes with the same style 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126451 
   => in discussion  
   
   * Sidebar Styles get style Icon support 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126450  
   * Ctrl-clicking hyperlink does not work in cell/text edit modes 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121039  
   => new 
   
   * Add opportunity for deleting of not existing file to "file does not
 exist" dialog in the Start Center 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126423  
   * Revise layout of HTML color palette swatches 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126403 
   => dup, wfm 
   
-> * LibreOffice components should be single apps on macOS 
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97946  
 + only a single icon, you don’t get single module icons
 + request to split the install into single modules.
 + only a matter of adding launchers (Christian)
 + provide a template and pull it into your dock easily
 + D installer gets you 1 application
 + 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Christian, Michael W,
  Michael M, Michael S, Sophie, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 2 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc2 – due soon ...
  + and branching-off there for libreoffice-6-3-0
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page for REDACTION (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + 27 proposals submitted
   + Triaging them with Sophie
   + deadline is July 23rd
+ Calc Guides
   + Working

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ just back from vacation, lots of work to catch up with.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
237(237) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(5) 29(7) 42(10)  86(11) 
 commented 51(17)   205(45)   421(40)1441(47) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  2(1)  8(0) 27(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Foote, V Stuart made 62 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 55 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 37 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 37 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 15 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Jun/27-Jul/11








  Tooltip for new drop-down widget in Formula bar in Calc should be another

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126315
 
  Exhibition of Headings sub levels are allowed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126325
 
  Tab colors in Calc should show the line version when inactive and full
  version when active to be more intuitive

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125729
 
  PDF shows only two pages of a document with three pages (one page is
  hidden in the odf document)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126284
 
  Writer styles: Heading subgroup for TOC related stuff

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126257
 
  Writer Character Styles are not intuitive to read

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126277
 
  Double-clicking fill handle should also overwrite down the entire range
  (until empty cells)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66890
 
  Enhance autofill to better sense data blocks with empty cells or columns

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126189
 
  Show in Styles sidebar only use specific styles

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126278
 
  In "Tools - Address Book Source" the Button "Address Data Source…"
  should be renamed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126232
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in Toolbar Paragraph 
  styles combobox droplist

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126196
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in the Sidebar 'Styles' deck

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126204
 
  Copy plus paste special with shift cells updates formulas after cells 
  are shifted

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44383
 
  Handling protected space (U+00a0) at word bounds

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125887
 
  Command and labels for Select to Start of Word, select to End of Word
  need correction

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126166
 
  Maximum header height and maximum footnote height conflict

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126011
 
  => unconfirmed/new








  Writer Character Styles: remove Rubies character style

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126276
 
  => invalid




* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ missing Caolan.
+ 6(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ ??? coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Xisco, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Heiko, Christian, Michael W,
  Michael M, Michael S, Sophie, Gabriel

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 2 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc2 – due soon ...
  + and branching-off there for libreoffice-6-3-0
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + New page for REDACTION (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + 27 proposals submitted
   + Triaging them with Sophie
   + deadline is July 23rd
+ Calc Guides
   + Working

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ just back from vacation, lots of work to catch up with.
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
237(237) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(5) 29(7) 42(10)  86(11) 
 commented 51(17)   205(45)   421(40)1441(47) 
   removed  0(0)  0(0)  2(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  2(1)  8(0) 27(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Foote, V Stuart made 62 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 55 changes in 1 month, and 150 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 293 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 40 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 37 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 37 changes in 1 month, and 88 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 15 changes in 1 month, and 477 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 11 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Jun/27-Jul/11








  Tooltip for new drop-down widget in Formula bar in Calc should be another

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126315
 
  Exhibition of Headings sub levels are allowed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126325
 
  Tab colors in Calc should show the line version when inactive and full
  version when active to be more intuitive

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125729
 
  PDF shows only two pages of a document with three pages (one page is
  hidden in the odf document)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126284
 
  Writer styles: Heading subgroup for TOC related stuff

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126257
 
  Writer Character Styles are not intuitive to read

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126277
 
  Double-clicking fill handle should also overwrite down the entire range
  (until empty cells)

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66890
 
  Enhance autofill to better sense data blocks with empty cells or columns

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126189
 
  Show in Styles sidebar only use specific styles

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126278
 
  In "Tools - Address Book Source" the Button "Address Data Source…"
  should be renamed

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126232
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in Toolbar Paragraph 
  styles combobox droplist

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126196
 
  User customization of the styles displayed in the Sidebar 'Styles' deck

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126204
 
  Copy plus paste special with shift cells updates formulas after cells 
  are shifted

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44383
 
  Handling protected space (U+00a0) at word bounds

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125887
 
  Command and labels for Select to Start of Word, select to End of Word
  need correction

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126166
 
  Maximum header height and maximum footnote height conflict

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126011
 
  => unconfirmed/new








  Writer Character Styles: remove Rubies character style

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126276
 
  => invalid




* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ missing Caolan.
+ 6(+0) import failure, 0(+0) export failures
+ ??? coverity issues
+ Google / ossfuzz: ?? fuzzers active now
* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (-74) 1026 1100 

[Libreoffice-qa] Mentors wanted for Paris Hackfest (was: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Thorsten Behrens]

Miklos Vajna wrote:
>   + mentors are needed … 2 weeks from now
>   + volunteers to mentor using jitsi / IRC can help too (Christian)
>   + in theory had hackfest-ng but short notice (Thorsten)
> + was too late :(
>   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019
>
From the wiki topics page
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019#Topics) we
seem to have needs for mentors in the following areas:

- Chart (mostly UI)
- PyUno
- Impress slideshow (for tdf#104654)
- Windows theming (for tdf#125443)
- Writer core
- Calc cell rendering & drawing layer (for tdf#31205)

Furthermore, code pointers for the following bugs would be lovely:
- tdf#77744 (trendline formula non-copyability)
- tdf#125443 (Windows frame window border color)
- tdf#48292 (Writer table cell color lost on sort)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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Mentors wanted for Paris Hackfest (was: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Thorsten Behrens]

Miklos Vajna wrote:
>   + mentors are needed … 2 weeks from now
>   + volunteers to mentor using jitsi / IRC can help too (Christian)
>   + in theory had hackfest-ng but short notice (Thorsten)
> + was too late :(
>   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019
>
From the wiki topics page
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019#Topics) we
seem to have needs for mentors in the following areas:

- Chart (mostly UI)
- PyUno
- Impress slideshow (for tdf#104654)
- Windows theming (for tdf#125443)
- Writer core
- Calc cell rendering & drawing layer (for tdf#31205)

Furthermore, code pointers for the following bugs would be lovely:
- tdf#77744 (trendline formula non-copyability)
- tdf#125443 (Windows frame window border color)
- tdf#48292 (Writer table cell color lost on sort)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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minutes of ESC call ...

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael W, Christian, Michael S, Thorsten, Sophie, Kaishu, 
Xisco, Miklos, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ None

* Pending Action Items:
+ None

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 final out today
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 3 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc1, later today
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + Housekeeping (G. Kelemen, A. Gelmini, ohallot)
   + New page for FOURIER (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + Application deadline closed, awaiting Google triage
+ Calc Guides
   + Under work

* UX Update (Heiko) – On Vacation
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
238(238) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months
 added  6(0)  22(-5) 32(-6)  75(-6)
 commented 34(-20)   160(-40)   381(-60)   1394(-16)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   2(-1)  18(0)
  resolved  1(0)   8(-1) 26(-5) 132(-3)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 49 changes in 1 month, and 239 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 43 changes in 1 month, and 289 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 45 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 27 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 19 changes in 1 month, and 494 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 7 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
+ Google / ossfuzz:

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+66) 1100 1034 1236 1113 1274 1460 1705 1558
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ (+73) 703 776 760 571 424 293 277 215 68
`  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ (-81) 929 1010 1222 1213 1182 1295 1532 1835
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ (-147) 1087 1234 1600 1645 2183 2428 2872 2401
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ (+89) 2822 2733 2615 2039 1586 929 119 0
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.5.2
+ (+0) 0
  + found repro steps for 2 crashes, already fixed

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Paris in Summer (Sophie)
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 6th – tomorrow!
+ near Gare de Nord, La Mouette working on communication
  + designing a flier – avoids stomping on exams at end of June
  + mentors are needed … 2 weeks from now
  + volunteers to mentor using jitsi / IRC can help too (Christian)
  + in theory had hackfest-ng but short notice (Thorsten)
+ was too late :(
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019
  + hope to have a Hackfest NG setup again – mentees, please speak up!
  + people are adding themselves to the wiki already.
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
+ Dresden Hackfest (Thorsten)
  + tentatively end of October, talking to FSFE people there
+ not confirmed, working on that
   + hope to have one each quarter.

* Conference (Sophie)
   + CfP deadline is end of June, please send papers … ~10 so far
   + https://conference.libreoffice.org/2019/call-for-papers/
+ can C’brans delay a few days ? (Michael)
+ yes before mid-July (Sophie)

* GSOC 2019 (Thorsten/Xisco/Moggi/Heiko)
   + Project page:
 https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5557591040589824/
+ 1st evaluation was passed for everyone
   + Mentors, please make sure students are active & communicating!
  + weekly reports are not optional, number decreasing
   + next deadline:
 + Second Evaluations: July 22 - 26, 2019

* mentoring/easyhack update
 committer...   1 week   1 month 3 months  12 months
  open   54(-12) 145(-5)  149(-6)   157(-6)
   reviews 1336(-333)   5973(46)15083(-39)53630(-149)
merged  254(-127)   1385(6)  3748(-75)14937(-140)
 abandoned   22(-6)   76(8)   194(-17)  742(6)
   own commits  150(-84) 854(-75)2794(-101)   13771(-140)
review commits   89(-19) 415(-1) 1177(24)  4046(22)

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael W, Christian, Michael S, Thorsten, Sophie, Kaishu, 
Xisco, Miklos, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:
+ None

* Pending Action Items:
+ None

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 final out today
+ 6.2.6 rc1, in 3 weeks
+ 6.3.0 rc1, later today
  + UI freeze, 1 review needed on libreoffice-6-3 from now on
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpcontent2
   + Housekeeping (G. Kelemen, A. Gelmini, ohallot)
   + New page for FOURIER (ohallot)
+ Google Seasons of Doc 2019
   + Application deadline closed, awaiting Google triage
+ Calc Guides
   + Under work

* UX Update (Heiko) – On Vacation
   + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
238(238) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months
 added  6(0)  22(-5) 32(-6)  75(-6)
 commented 34(-20)   160(-40)   381(-60)   1394(-16)
   removed  0(0)   0(0)   2(-1)  18(0)
  resolved  1(0)   8(-1) 26(-5) 132(-3)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 49 changes in 1 month, and 239 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 43 changes in 1 month, and 289 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 34 changes in 1 month, and 45 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 27 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 19 changes in 1 month, and 494 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 14 changes in 1 month, and 48 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 7 changes in 1 month, and 20 changes in 1 year

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
+ Google / ossfuzz:

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+66) 1100 1034 1236 1113 1274 1460 1705 1558
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ (+73) 703 776 760 571 424 293 277 215 68
`  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ (-81) 929 1010 1222 1213 1182 1295 1532 1835
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ (-147) 1087 1234 1600 1645 2183 2428 2872 2401
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ (+89) 2822 2733 2615 2039 1586 929 119 0
  + https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.5.2
+ (+0) 0
  + found repro steps for 2 crashes, already fixed

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Paris in Summer (Sophie)
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 6th – tomorrow!
+ near Gare de Nord, La Mouette working on communication
  + designing a flier – avoids stomping on exams at end of June
  + mentors are needed … 2 weeks from now
  + volunteers to mentor using jitsi / IRC can help too (Christian)
  + in theory had hackfest-ng but short notice (Thorsten)
+ was too late :(
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019
  + hope to have a Hackfest NG setup again – mentees, please speak up!
  + people are adding themselves to the wiki already.
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
+ Dresden Hackfest (Thorsten)
  + tentatively end of October, talking to FSFE people there
+ not confirmed, working on that
   + hope to have one each quarter.

* Conference (Sophie)
   + CfP deadline is end of June, please send papers … ~10 so far
   + https://conference.libreoffice.org/2019/call-for-papers/
+ can C’brans delay a few days ? (Michael)
+ yes before mid-July (Sophie)

* GSOC 2019 (Thorsten/Xisco/Moggi/Heiko)
   + Project page:
 https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5557591040589824/
+ 1st evaluation was passed for everyone
   + Mentors, please make sure students are active & communicating!
  + weekly reports are not optional, number decreasing
   + next deadline:
 + Second Evaluations: July 22 - 26, 2019

* mentoring/easyhack update
 committer...   1 week   1 month 3 months  12 months
  open   54(-12) 145(-5)  149(-6)   157(-6)
   reviews 1336(-333)   5973(46)15083(-39)53630(-149)
merged  254(-127)   1385(6)  3748(-75)14937(-140)
 abandoned   22(-6)   76(8)   194(-17)  742(6)
   own commits  150(-84) 854(-75)2794(-101)   13771(-140)
review commits   89(-19) 415(-1) 1177(24)  4046(22)

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[David Tardon]

On Thu, 2019-06-27 at 15:22 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available
>   + offering things to OSS projects – but looks like oss-fuzz
>   + seem to be pushing hard to encourage people to use it
>   + may look on return from vacation

For the record, there is also https://fuzzbuzz.io/ , which appears to
be another of the same. (Automatic fuzzing is becoming popular, eh?)
But I don't think there's much value in using another service that uses
the same fuzzing engine(s) internally...

D.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[David Tardon]

On Thu, 2019-06-27 at 15:22 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available
>   + offering things to OSS projects – but looks like oss-fuzz
>   + seem to be pushing hard to encourage people to use it
>   + may look on return from vacation

For the record, there is also https://fuzzbuzz.io/ , which appears to
be another of the same. (Automatic fuzzing is becoming popular, eh?)
But I don't think there's much value in using another service that uses
the same fuzzing engine(s) internally...

D.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[M Henri Day]

Den tors 27 juni 2019 kl 16:23 skrev Michael Meeks <
michael.me...@collabora.com>:

> * Present:
> + Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W
>   Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko
>
> * Completed Action Items:
> + send Arkadij a welcome mail (Stephan)
>
> * Pending Action Items:
>
> * Release Engineering update (Christian)
> + 6.2.5 rc2
>   + tagged yesterday
>   + 2 patches in gerrit that didn’t make it
>   + builds on the pre-release server → mirror network later today
> + 6.2.6 rc1 – due end of July
> + 6.3.0 rc1 – next week
>   + hard string & UI freeze.
>   + from rc1 – 1x review required for fixes libreoffice-6-3
>   + for now no review, just fixes.
> + Remotes
> + Android viewer
> + Online
>
> * Documentation (Olivier)
> + New Help (no news)
>+ seems to work correctly.
> + Helpcontent2
>+ Housekeeping, de-dup bookmarks (G. Kelemen)
>+ Bug fixes and updates (olivier, LibreOfficiant)
> + Google Seasons of Doc
>+ Deadline for Tech writer submission is tomorrow (28)
> + Guides
>+ Update Calc Guide
>   + more chapters updated
>   + Need support on Solver engines (mail to list) (Steve Fanning)
>   + would love help from a calc developer.
>
> * UX Update (Heiko)
> + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
> 236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 217(217) (needsUXEval) needs to be
> evaluated by the UXteam
> + Updates:
> BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months
>  added  6(-5) 27(3) 38(4)   81(3)
>  commented 54(-31)   200(36)   441(20)1410(33)
>removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   18(0)
>   resolved  1(-3)  9(-1)31(-4) 135(0)
> + top 10 contributors:
>   Thomas Lendo made 60 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1
> year
>   Heiko Tietze made 47 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
>   Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1
> year
>   Tietze, Heiko made 42 changes in 1 month, and 522 changes in 1
> year
>   Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 131 changes in 1
> year
>   kompilainenn made 35 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1
> year
>   Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
>   Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
>   Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 19 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in
> 1 year
>   Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
>  + New needsUXEval between Jun/21-27
>
>* TABLE AUTOFORMAT: Rename dialog to table styles
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126050
>* FORMATTING
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126047
>=> WFM
>
>* CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Give option to seperate different
> chapter
>  levels with a dash
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993
>* [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
>* Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for
> format
>  options and Greek and special symbols
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
>* Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
>=> UNCONFIRMED/in discussion
>
> -> * Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
>* Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header
>  values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009
>=> NEW
>
> -> * Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start
>  center (and other relevant places)
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074
>+ should we have a strong branding of app-icons ?
>+ different views, easy-recognized branded icons or … customizable.
>  + no technical basis here (Michael)
>=> interesting
>
> + blog-post published yesterday about easy-hacking:
>+ examples on how to create a new dialog:
>+
> https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/06/26/how-to-create-a-new-dialog/
>+ really useful – good work (Michael)
>
>
> * Crash Testing (Caolan)
> + Crash testing:
>   + 8(-1) import failure, 3(-186) export failures
>   + stable, Michael S fixed an assert in here
>   + 2 are crashers in pivot table export
>   + writer are exceptions / problems in non-idle layout case
> + Google 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[M Henri Day]

Den tors 27 juni 2019 kl 16:23 skrev Michael Meeks <
michael.me...@collabora.com>:

> * Present:
> + Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W
>   Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko
>
> * Completed Action Items:
> + send Arkadij a welcome mail (Stephan)
>
> * Pending Action Items:
>
> * Release Engineering update (Christian)
> + 6.2.5 rc2
>   + tagged yesterday
>   + 2 patches in gerrit that didn’t make it
>   + builds on the pre-release server → mirror network later today
> + 6.2.6 rc1 – due end of July
> + 6.3.0 rc1 – next week
>   + hard string & UI freeze.
>   + from rc1 – 1x review required for fixes libreoffice-6-3
>   + for now no review, just fixes.
> + Remotes
> + Android viewer
> + Online
>
> * Documentation (Olivier)
> + New Help (no news)
>+ seems to work correctly.
> + Helpcontent2
>+ Housekeeping, de-dup bookmarks (G. Kelemen)
>+ Bug fixes and updates (olivier, LibreOfficiant)
> + Google Seasons of Doc
>+ Deadline for Tech writer submission is tomorrow (28)
> + Guides
>+ Update Calc Guide
>   + more chapters updated
>   + Need support on Solver engines (mail to list) (Steve Fanning)
>   + would love help from a calc developer.
>
> * UX Update (Heiko)
> + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
> 236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 217(217) (needsUXEval) needs to be
> evaluated by the UXteam
> + Updates:
> BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months
>  added  6(-5) 27(3) 38(4)   81(3)
>  commented 54(-31)   200(36)   441(20)1410(33)
>removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   18(0)
>   resolved  1(-3)  9(-1)31(-4) 135(0)
> + top 10 contributors:
>   Thomas Lendo made 60 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1
> year
>   Heiko Tietze made 47 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
>   Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1
> year
>   Tietze, Heiko made 42 changes in 1 month, and 522 changes in 1
> year
>   Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 131 changes in 1
> year
>   kompilainenn made 35 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1
> year
>   Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
>   Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
>   Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 19 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in
> 1 year
>   Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
>  + New needsUXEval between Jun/21-27
>
>* TABLE AUTOFORMAT: Rename dialog to table styles
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126050
>* FORMATTING
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126047
>=> WFM
>
>* CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Give option to seperate different
> chapter
>  levels with a dash
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993
>* [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
>* Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for
> format
>  options and Greek and special symbols
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
>* Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
>=> UNCONFIRMED/in discussion
>
> -> * Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
>* Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header
>  values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009
>=> NEW
>
> -> * Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start
>  center (and other relevant places)
>  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074
>+ should we have a strong branding of app-icons ?
>+ different views, easy-recognized branded icons or … customizable.
>  + no technical basis here (Michael)
>=> interesting
>
> + blog-post published yesterday about easy-hacking:
>+ examples on how to create a new dialog:
>+
> https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/06/26/how-to-create-a-new-dialog/
>+ really useful – good work (Michael)
>
>
> * Crash Testing (Caolan)
> + Crash testing:
>   + 8(-1) import failure, 3(-186) export failures
>   + stable, Michael S fixed an assert in here
>   + 2 are crashers in pivot table export
>   + writer are exceptions / problems in non-idle layout case
> + Google 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W
  Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ send Arkadij a welcome mail (Stephan)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagged yesterday
  + 2 patches in gerrit that didn’t make it
  + builds on the pre-release server → mirror network later today
+ 6.2.6 rc1 – due end of July
+ 6.3.0 rc1 – next week
  + hard string & UI freeze.
  + from rc1 – 1x review required for fixes libreoffice-6-3
  + for now no review, just fixes.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
   + seems to work correctly.
+ Helpcontent2
   + Housekeeping, de-dup bookmarks (G. Kelemen)
   + Bug fixes and updates (olivier, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Deadline for Tech writer submission is tomorrow (28)
+ Guides 
   + Update Calc Guide
  + more chapters updated
  + Need support on Solver engines (mail to list) (Steve Fanning)
  + would love help from a calc developer.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 217(217) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 27(3) 38(4)   81(3)  
 commented 54(-31)   200(36)   441(20)1410(33) 
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  1(-3)  9(-1)31(-4) 135(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 60 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 47 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 42 changes in 1 month, and 522 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 131 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 35 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 19 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jun/21-27

   * TABLE AUTOFORMAT: Rename dialog to table styles
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126050 
   * FORMATTING
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126047 
   => WFM

   * CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Give option to seperate different chapter
 levels with a dash
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993 
   * [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961 
   * Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931 
   * Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972 
   => UNCONFIRMED/in discussion

-> * Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999 
   * Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header
 values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009 
   => NEW

-> * Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start
 center (and other relevant places)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074 
   + should we have a strong branding of app-icons ?
   + different views, easy-recognized branded icons or … customizable.
 + no technical basis here (Michael)
   => interesting

+ blog-post published yesterday about easy-hacking:
   + examples on how to create a new dialog:
   + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/06/26/how-to-create-a-new-dialog/
   + really useful – good work (Michael)


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 8(-1) import failure, 3(-186) export failures
  + stable, Michael S fixed an assert in here
  + 2 are crashers in pivot table export
  + writer are exceptions / problems in non-idle layout case
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 11 failures, 1 OOM, 10 TimeOut.
+ waiting for coverity
  + builds, but submission still not available.
+ 2x security reports
  + have pushed dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations
+ fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available
  + offering 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Kendy, Oliver, Christian, Stephan, Michael S, Michael W
  Michael M, Caolan, Gabriel, Eike, Xisco, Thorsten, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ send Arkadij a welcome mail (Stephan)

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagged yesterday
  + 2 patches in gerrit that didn’t make it
  + builds on the pre-release server → mirror network later today
+ 6.2.6 rc1 – due end of July
+ 6.3.0 rc1 – next week
  + hard string & UI freeze.
  + from rc1 – 1x review required for fixes libreoffice-6-3
  + for now no review, just fixes.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
   + seems to work correctly.
+ Helpcontent2
   + Housekeeping, de-dup bookmarks (G. Kelemen)
   + Bug fixes and updates (olivier, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Deadline for Tech writer submission is tomorrow (28)
+ Guides 
   + Update Calc Guide
  + more chapters updated
  + Need support on Solver engines (mail to list) (Steve Fanning)
  + would love help from a calc developer.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 217(217) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 27(3) 38(4)   81(3)  
 commented 54(-31)   200(36)   441(20)1410(33) 
   removed  0(0)   0(0)  3(0)   18(0)  
  resolved  1(-3)  9(-1)31(-4) 135(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Thomas Lendo made 60 changes in 1 month, and 246 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 47 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Tietze, Heiko made 42 changes in 1 month, and 522 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 35 changes in 1 month, and 131 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 35 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 21 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 19 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 19 changes in 1 month, and 53 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jun/21-27

   * TABLE AUTOFORMAT: Rename dialog to table styles
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126050 
   * FORMATTING
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126047 
   => WFM

   * CHAPTER NUMBERING DIALOG: Give option to seperate different chapter
 levels with a dash
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993 
   * [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961 
   * Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931 
   * Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972 
   => UNCONFIRMED/in discussion

-> * Show short tooltip before the extended tooltip
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999 
   * Increasing margin size does not reflect new constraints for header
 values without closing and reopening the Page Style dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126009 
   => NEW

-> * Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start
 center (and other relevant places)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074 
   + should we have a strong branding of app-icons ?
   + different views, easy-recognized branded icons or … customizable.
 + no technical basis here (Michael)
   => interesting

+ blog-post published yesterday about easy-hacking:
   + examples on how to create a new dialog:
   + 
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2019/06/26/how-to-create-a-new-dialog/
   + really useful – good work (Michael)


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 8(-1) import failure, 3(-186) export failures
  + stable, Michael S fixed an assert in here
  + 2 are crashers in pivot table export
  + writer are exceptions / problems in non-idle layout case
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 11 failures, 1 OOM, 10 TimeOut.
+ waiting for coverity
  + builds, but submission still not available.
+ 2x security reports
  + have pushed dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations
+ fuzzit https://fuzzit.dev/ available
  + offering 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Gabriel, Christian, Stephan, Miklos, Drew, Thorsten, Caolan, Heiko
  Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Eike, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1
  + on the way to the mirrors
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagging next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2
  + tagging later this evening.
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
   + no negative feedback → can drop this item.
 + Zip parallelism (Miklos)
   + last complaints were resolved last week → can drop this.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + 6.3.0 beta2 up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing to report)
   + Bug https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125956
  “LibreOffice-6.x Off-Line Help Should NOT Require XDG”
+ Helpcontent2 
+ page maintenance )
+ update in new features (ohallo)
+ GS of Doc
+ Candidates are filling their Tech Writer forms
+ Guides
  + Activities in Calc guides
  + Math Guide revision by Kompilainen

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(-2)24(7) 34(3)   78(0)  
 commented 85(35)   164(52)   421(-4)1377(4)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 3(-5)  18(-6) 
  resolved  4(2) 10(1) 35(1)  135(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 541 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 245 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 23 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
+ New tickets with needsUXEval since Jun/13

   + Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
   + Correct/improve tooltips for tools on Drawing toolbar in Draw
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125939
   + Opening Quoted Quotes Not Properly Rendered
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125946
   + [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
   + Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
   + Add button name to extended tooltips
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
   => unconfirmed / in discussion 
  ->   + Enhancement request: Backport 6.3 FILESAVE dialog to 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125908
 + only available in expert config
 + not clear what we do, discussion is ~ongoing
   => not a bug (nab)
   + In Impress - Bullets and Numberings submenu not displayed when right
 clicking on a bullet
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125904
   => fixed
   + Print/Export should close cells first
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125932
   => new

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 7(-2) import failure, 5(-184) export failures
  + was a big export failure problem, now resolved, down to small numbers
  + an issue with threaded rendering from Armin
 + may need to re-disable it again.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 8 failures, none critical.
+ waiting for coverity
  + new version is now available
- c++2a not supported
- c++17 supported
  + builds under c++17, analysis site down, so builds, but not analyzed
  + can’t up-load the results to the site yet
  + looking forward to submitting the build, seems faster to build too
+ 2x security reports
  + minor one, Stephan looking at some extensions here
  + and a more serious one.
 + pushing dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+123) 1236 1113 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Gabriel, Christian, Stephan, Miklos, Drew, Thorsten, Caolan, Heiko
  Thorsten, Kendy, Michael S, Michael M, Xisco, Eike, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1
  + on the way to the mirrors
+ 6.2.5 rc2
  + tagging next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2
  + tagging later this evening.
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
   + no negative feedback → can drop this item.
 + Zip parallelism (Miklos)
   + last complaints were resolved last week → can drop this.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + 6.3.0 beta2 up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing to report)
   + Bug https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125956
  “LibreOffice-6.x Off-Line Help Should NOT Require XDG”
+ Helpcontent2 
+ page maintenance )
+ update in new features (ohallo)
+ GS of Doc
+ Candidates are filling their Tech Writer forms
+ Guides
  + Activities in Calc guides
  + Math Guide revision by Kompilainen

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
236(236) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(-2)24(7) 34(3)   78(0)  
 commented 85(35)   164(52)   421(-4)1377(4)  
   removed  0(0)  0(-2) 3(-5)  18(-6) 
  resolved  4(2) 10(1) 35(1)  135(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 63 changes in 1 month, and 541 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 59 changes in 1 month, and 245 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 44 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 23 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 21 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 83 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
+ New tickets with needsUXEval since Jun/13

   + Implement the Sidebar in Math formula editor, with decks for format
 options and Greek and special symbols
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125931
   + Correct/improve tooltips for tools on Drawing toolbar in Draw
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125939
   + Opening Quoted Quotes Not Properly Rendered
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125946
   + [Website] Download page should support non-English users better
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125961
   + Enhancement: Tables, Pagebreak: "keep with next row" feature
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125972
   + Add button name to extended tooltips
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125999
   => unconfirmed / in discussion 
  ->   + Enhancement request: Backport 6.3 FILESAVE dialog to 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125908
 + only available in expert config
 + not clear what we do, discussion is ~ongoing
   => not a bug (nab)
   + In Impress - Bullets and Numberings submenu not displayed when right
 clicking on a bullet
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125904
   => fixed
   + Print/Export should close cells first
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125932
   => new

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 7(-2) import failure, 5(-184) export failures
  + was a big export failure problem, now resolved, down to small numbers
  + an issue with threaded rendering from Armin
 + may need to re-disable it again.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 8 failures, none critical.
+ waiting for coverity
  + new version is now available
- c++2a not supported
- c++17 supported
  + builds under c++17, analysis site down, so builds, but not analyzed
  + can’t up-load the results to the site yet
  + looking forward to submitting the build, seems faster to build too
+ 2x security reports
  + minor one, Stephan looking at some extensions here
  + and a more serious one.
 + pushing dates out to 16th July to avoid vacations.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ (+123) 1236 1113 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Cloph, Sophie, Caolán, Michael W, Jan-Marek, Miklos, Xisco, Heiko, 
Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:
+ send Roman Kuznetsov (aka Kompilainnen) welcome mail (Heiko)
  /done
+ send Patrick Jaap a welcome mail (Miklos)
+ add FireBird migration wiki link to the dialog (Caolan)
  [ not yet pushed ]
+ do gstreamer-0.10 removal (Michael W)
+ get details / access to 32bit Linux systems & docker-image bits
  to Luke (Michael S, Christian)
  [ has the Centos6 32bit system, mostly done ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16) – this week
  + planning to tag this evening
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 1 week out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042, fixed
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ Daily builds not updated since weeks (Heiko)
  + people should focus on the beta (Christian)
+ kicked the relevant box to produce builds again
+ affects both master and libreoffice-6-3
+ restarting today (Cloph)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help:
   + new master https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/index.html
+ Help Contents
 + Bookmark housekeeping (G. Kelemen)
 + Page housekeeping, improvements (ohallot, M Kaganski)
+ Google Season of Doc 2019
 + Contacts continuing, candidates mushrooming
+ Guides
 + Updates of Calc Guide on-going
 + Considering time-release publications scheme
 + Updates in wiki pages on Guide writing
+ Can we consider a new layout for book wiki pages ?
 + AOO wiki is better configured for long readings (line length)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 208(208) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months
 added 13(11)17(7)  31(8)   78(7)
 commented 50(26)   112(-34)   425(-13)   1373(-5)
   removed  0(0)  2(-1)  8(-4)  24(-1)
  resolved  2(1)  9(-1) 34(-6) 133(-1)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 47 changes in 1 month, and 564 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 45 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 257 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 22 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 19 changes in 1 month, and 212 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 197 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
 New needsUXEval between Jun/03-12

  * Elementary: Object handers are too faint
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125779
  * Change Redaction toolbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125830
  * Interaction on frame should only be executed in presentation mode
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125748
  => NEW/ASSIGNED

  * Difficult to add an animation Enhancement: "add animation" item in right
click menu
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125757
  ->  * Print dialog preview does not respect chosen measurement unit
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116120
  * PARAGRAPH BORDERS: Incorrect alignment in paragraph with first line
indented
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125804
  * I want an entry field added to be able to change the default amount of
indent for the Increase Indent button in LibreOffice Writer, Calc, and
any other LibreOffice programs that already contain an Increase Indent
button.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125065
  * Move HTML image embedding option to file export / save dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125841
  => UNCONFIRMED/in discussion

  * CUSTOMIZE DIALOG: Duplication of Function name
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122523
  * Language of Auto Caption should be in line with language of document
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125842
  => DUP

 Easyhacks

  * why toggle function DrawText, 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Cloph, Sophie, Caolán, Michael W, Jan-Marek, Miklos, Xisco, Heiko, 
Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:
+ send Roman Kuznetsov (aka Kompilainnen) welcome mail (Heiko)
  /done
+ send Patrick Jaap a welcome mail (Miklos)
+ add FireBird migration wiki link to the dialog (Caolan)
  [ not yet pushed ]
+ do gstreamer-0.10 removal (Michael W)
+ get details / access to 32bit Linux systems & docker-image bits
  to Luke (Michael S, Christian)
  [ has the Centos6 32bit system, mostly done ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16) – this week
  + planning to tag this evening
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 1 week out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042, fixed
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
+ Daily builds not updated since weeks (Heiko)
  + people should focus on the beta (Christian)
+ kicked the relevant box to produce builds again
+ affects both master and libreoffice-6-3
+ restarting today (Cloph)

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help:
   + new master https://help.libreoffice.org/6.4/index.html
+ Help Contents
 + Bookmark housekeeping (G. Kelemen)
 + Page housekeeping, improvements (ohallot, M Kaganski)
+ Google Season of Doc 2019
 + Contacts continuing, candidates mushrooming
+ Guides
 + Updates of Calc Guide on-going
 + Considering time-release publications scheme
 + Updates in wiki pages on Guide writing
+ Can we consider a new layout for book wiki pages ?
 + AOO wiki is better configured for long readings (line length)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 208(208) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months
 added 13(11)17(7)  31(8)   78(7)
 commented 50(26)   112(-34)   425(-13)   1373(-5)
   removed  0(0)  2(-1)  8(-4)  24(-1)
  resolved  2(1)  9(-1) 34(-6) 133(-1)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 47 changes in 1 month, and 564 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 45 changes in 1 month, and 248 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 257 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 22 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 22 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 19 changes in 1 month, and 212 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 15 changes in 1 month, and 197 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Nabet, Julien made 10 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Wagner, Thorsten made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
 New needsUXEval between Jun/03-12

  * Elementary: Object handers are too faint
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125779
  * Change Redaction toolbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125830
  * Interaction on frame should only be executed in presentation mode
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125748
  => NEW/ASSIGNED

  * Difficult to add an animation Enhancement: "add animation" item in right
click menu
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125757
  ->  * Print dialog preview does not respect chosen measurement unit
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116120
  * PARAGRAPH BORDERS: Incorrect alignment in paragraph with first line
indented
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125804
  * I want an entry field added to be able to change the default amount of
indent for the Increase Indent button in LibreOffice Writer, Calc, and
any other LibreOffice programs that already contain an Increase Indent
button.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125065
  * Move HTML image embedding option to file export / save dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125841
  => UNCONFIRMED/in discussion

  * CUSTOMIZE DIALOG: Duplication of Function name
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122523
  * Language of Auto Caption should be in line with language of document
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125842
  => DUP

 Easyhacks

  * why toggle function DrawText, 

Re: Saving documents with broken zip streams (Re: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Luboš Luňák]

On Friday 07 of June 2019, Wols Lists wrote:
> On 07/06/19 10:07, Luboš Luňák wrote:
> >> For what its worth those sample documents are not "realworld" user
> >> documents, but the output of fuzzing engines so any non-catastrophic
> >> outcome is acceptable IMO
> >
> >  I have avoided the assert with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/73646/
> > . Given that it's (hopefully) very unlikely to find real documents with
> > broken zip internals, I find that good enough.
>
> Bear in mind I don't know the background to this ...
>
> My immediate reaction was "we can't refuse to let the user save their
> document, so could we disable 'save' and do a 'save as'?".

 That doesn't make a difference here. The code can't save such a broken 
document, period. Regardless of where it is being saved to.

> As for unlikely to find broken documents, it's too long ago for me to
> remember the details, but I remember salvaging a broken calc document by
> unzipping it and recovering the data portion. So real-world broken
> documents do happen (although I think in this case it was broken such
> that LO refused to open it ...)

 Manually unzipping and zipping back properly would work here too. Or you can 
improve the saving code to cope with such problems somehow, feel free to.

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Re: Saving documents with broken zip streams (Re: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Wols Lists]

On 07/06/19 10:07, Luboš Luňák wrote:
> On Thursday 06 of June 2019, Caolán McNamara wrote:
>> On Mon, 2019-06-03 at 21:52 +0200, Luboš Luňák wrote:
>>> Any idea what to do about that? Is it really ok that we just refuse
>>> to save it? Or should we save it even though the contents may be
>>> broken?
>>
>> For what its worth those sample documents are not "realworld" user
>> documents, but the output of fuzzing engines so any non-catastrophic
>> outcome is acceptable IMO
> 
>  I have avoided the assert with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/73646/ . 
> Given that it's (hopefully) very unlikely to find real documents with broken 
> zip internals, I find that good enough.
> 
Bear in mind I don't know the background to this ...

My immediate reaction was "we can't refuse to let the user save their
document, so could we disable 'save' and do a 'save as'?".

As for unlikely to find broken documents, it's too long ago for me to
remember the details, but I remember salvaging a broken calc document by
unzipping it and recovering the data portion. So real-world broken
documents do happen (although I think in this case it was broken such
that LO refused to open it ...)

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Re: Saving documents with broken zip streams (Re: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Luboš Luňák]

On Thursday 06 of June 2019, Caolán McNamara wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-06-03 at 21:52 +0200, Luboš Luňák wrote:
> > Any idea what to do about that? Is it really ok that we just refuse
> > to save it? Or should we save it even though the contents may be
> > broken?
>
> For what its worth those sample documents are not "realworld" user
> documents, but the output of fuzzing engines so any non-catastrophic
> outcome is acceptable IMO

 I have avoided the assert with https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/73646/ . 
Given that it's (hopefully) very unlikely to find real documents with broken 
zip internals, I find that good enough.

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Re: Saving documents with broken zip streams (Re: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Caolán McNamara]

On Mon, 2019-06-03 at 21:52 +0200, Luboš Luňák wrote:
> Any idea what to do about that? Is it really ok that we just refuse
> to save it? Or should we save it even though the contents may be
> broken?

For what its worth those sample documents are not "realworld" user
documents, but the output of fuzzing engines so any non-catastrophic
outcome is acceptable IMO

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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Drew, Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Mike K, Xisco, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Stephan, Heiko, Caolan, Gabriel, Christian, Miklos,
  Kendy, Luke

* Completed Action Items:
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
   [ not possible to check ‘experimental’ at this place (Michael W) ]
+ commit access
   + communication issue wrt. help (Sophie)
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
   [ run it, didn’t send results out yet but will ~now ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
  + next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 2 weeks out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ now included.
+ so far no reports about something not working
  but still to early to draw conclusions.
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
   + Lubos working on the bugs …
   + crash traces now showing file-names (Caolan)
   + problem with streams with bad CRCs
   + used to not care during loading, but saving shows the issue
   + discussed on the dev list – awaiting conclusion
+ pulled out files that cause issues for Lubos (Caolan)
   + these files were artificially generated Forcepoint files
   + doesn’t matter which way we go – ignoring them is fine.
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy ~50+ patches
   + and some problems here, breaking things in gerrit
   + another week until it gets there in core, lets see
   + perhaps punt it.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ last release punted out decision on removing HSQLDB
+ should we do that / who makes that decision ?
+ would like to see it go but – do we think it will work ?
+ not a good idea to remove HSQLDB in 6.3 (Drew)
   + migration assistant is not capable of moving the
 majority of files it can run across.
   + E-mail on dev. list about this.
   + recommend leave firebird active as in 6.2
   + recommend expose migration assistant as it is today
  + but reasonable set of data-types doesn’t work for
   + needs to be fixed & improving SDBC driver to have parity
 with HSQL – spend time to 6.4 to focus activities to
 encourage migration.
   + prefer to drop this for 6.4 ...
+ what is the state ? (Caolan)
   + firebird is the default in 6.2 (Drew)
   + in 6.3 we get the migration assistant out of the box.
   + suggest on the dialog box saying “want to migrate ?” (Drew)
   + link to a wiki page with a tutorial to help there.
   + tie it into some blog posts – to get some urgency here (Drew)
AI:+ add link to the dialog (Caolan)
+ do we have a migration tracking bug ? (Caolan)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116968
 + Bullets/Numbering dialog (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120905
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125642
+ work ongoing by Gulsah, Mike K., Caolan, Miklos, Andras
  scaling issues here (?) Mike K and Caolan poked it.
   + not totally happy on the workflow, but big improvement.
   + Gulsah plans to still work on it but on vacation (Miklos)
  + lets re-visit next week.
  + good for QA to look (Heiko)
 + makes most senese when known issues are fixed (Miklos)
+ UI only, not frozen yet, not really a late feature
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + branched b1 release coming soon.

* Safari issue with sandboxing (Christian)
+ as a sandboxed app Safari can’t access files in LibreOffice distro
+ user can’t click links and load our built-in help anymore.
+ affects existing LibreOffice released versions
+ should we ship a built-in webkit widget (?)
   + horrible that the web is not this cross-platform thing (Michael)
   + use the browser of the system, build our own help viewer again (Cloph)
+ can sandbox’d safari access localhost ports ? (Michael Stahl)
   + could have 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Drew, Olivier, Miklos, Sophie, Mike K, Xisco, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Stephan, Heiko, Caolan, Gabriel, Christian, Miklos,
  Kendy, Luke

* Completed Action Items:
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
   [ not possible to check ‘experimental’ at this place (Michael W) ]
+ commit access
   + communication issue wrt. help (Sophie)
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
   [ run it, didn’t send results out yet but will ~now ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
  + next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta2 – 2 weeks out
  + no reviews required for fixes still on libreoffice-6-3
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ now included.
+ so far no reports about something not working
  but still to early to draw conclusions.
+ If you notice any reports, please ping cloph directly
  on irc/telegram/...
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
   + Lubos working on the bugs …
   + crash traces now showing file-names (Caolan)
   + problem with streams with bad CRCs
   + used to not care during loading, but saving shows the issue
   + discussed on the dev list – awaiting conclusion
+ pulled out files that cause issues for Lubos (Caolan)
   + these files were artificially generated Forcepoint files
   + doesn’t matter which way we go – ignoring them is fine.
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy ~50+ patches
   + and some problems here, breaking things in gerrit
   + another week until it gets there in core, lets see
   + perhaps punt it.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ last release punted out decision on removing HSQLDB
+ should we do that / who makes that decision ?
+ would like to see it go but – do we think it will work ?
+ not a good idea to remove HSQLDB in 6.3 (Drew)
   + migration assistant is not capable of moving the
 majority of files it can run across.
   + E-mail on dev. list about this.
   + recommend leave firebird active as in 6.2
   + recommend expose migration assistant as it is today
  + but reasonable set of data-types doesn’t work for
   + needs to be fixed & improving SDBC driver to have parity
 with HSQL – spend time to 6.4 to focus activities to
 encourage migration.
   + prefer to drop this for 6.4 ...
+ what is the state ? (Caolan)
   + firebird is the default in 6.2 (Drew)
   + in 6.3 we get the migration assistant out of the box.
   + suggest on the dialog box saying “want to migrate ?” (Drew)
   + link to a wiki page with a tutorial to help there.
   + tie it into some blog posts – to get some urgency here (Drew)
AI:+ add link to the dialog (Caolan)
+ do we have a migration tracking bug ? (Caolan)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116968
 + Bullets/Numbering dialog (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120905
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125642
+ work ongoing by Gulsah, Mike K., Caolan, Miklos, Andras
  scaling issues here (?) Mike K and Caolan poked it.
   + not totally happy on the workflow, but big improvement.
   + Gulsah plans to still work on it but on vacation (Miklos)
  + lets re-visit next week.
  + good for QA to look (Heiko)
 + makes most senese when known issues are fixed (Miklos)
+ UI only, not frozen yet, not really a late feature
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
 + branched b1 release coming soon.

* Safari issue with sandboxing (Christian)
+ as a sandboxed app Safari can’t access files in LibreOffice distro
+ user can’t click links and load our built-in help anymore.
+ affects existing LibreOffice released versions
+ should we ship a built-in webkit widget (?)
   + horrible that the web is not this cross-platform thing (Michael)
   + use the browser of the system, build our own help viewer again (Cloph)
+ can sandbox’d safari access localhost ports ? (Michael Stahl)
   + could have 

Re: Saving documents with broken zip streams (Re: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Luboš Luňák]

On Monday 03 of June 2019, Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote:
> Am 03.06.19 um 21:52 schrieb Luboš Luňák:
> >  Ok, so it's not a problem with my code, my changes just happened to show
> > the problem, and the problem is that those documents are broken. If you
> > try to unzip the documents, it will complain about incorrect CRC
...
> >  Any idea what to do about that? Is it really ok that we just refuse to
> > save it? Or should we save it even though the contents may be broken?
>
> IMHO the only sane solution would be to detect the broken CRCs on read and
> report a broken file to the user.

 That's not so easy. We do not detect broken CRCs on load, because we load on 
demand. And removing that seems like a bad trade-off. Finding that a CRC 
stream has a broken CRCs means uncompressing everything and checking, even 
things we otherwise do not care about. I think we do not want to make loading 
of everything possibly slower just to detect that virtually all documents are 
correct.

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Re: Saving documents with broken zip streams (Re: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Jan-Marek Glogowski]

Am 03.06.19 um 21:52 schrieb Luboš Luňák:
> On Monday 03 of June 2019, Caolán McNamara wrote:
>> On Mon, 2019-06-03 at 12:23 +0200, Luboš Luňák wrote:
>>> On Thursday 30 of May 2019, Michael Meeks wrote:
   + some in the zip area - assuming they are threading related.
>>>
>>>  Is this about those documents such
>>> as /srv/crashtestdata/files/caolan/opendocument_stack_overflow_2.odt
>>> ? How
>>> can I reproduce that problem? If I try to fetch
>>> buildsl...@vm138.documentfoundation.org:
>>> an/opendocument_stack_overflow_2.odt ,
>>> it doesn't exist.
>>
>> I attach two of the examples here. The input name was foo.sample, the
>> output to odt name appears higher up in the bt during the export.
>>
>> ./instdir/program/soffice.bin --headless --convert-to odt
>> opendocument_stack_overflow.sample
> 
> 
>  Ok, so it's not a problem with my code, my changes just happened to show the 
> problem, and the problem is that those documents are broken. If you try to 
> unzip the documents, it will complain about incorrect CRC (although it still 
> will uncompress them). And what happens is that when we try to save the file, 
> apparently only by that point we'll read those zip streams, there will be a 
> ZipException about that, and the code in package/ is not exception-safe. So 
> ZipOutputStream::writeLOC() gets called but not the matching 
> ZipOutputStream::rawCloseEntry().
> 
>  But this is actually broken on several levels. If I make the code to catch 
> the exception better, I'll need to make it somehow handle the fact that 
> writeLOC() prepared for writing en entry, but then there's nothing to write. 
> But that's actually not important, since ZipPackageStream::saveChild() will 
> still return failure, so ZipPackageFolder::saveContents() will throw an 
> exception, making the whole document saving fail. Which in turn means this 
> whole save business is irrelevant, as there's just no way to save the 
> document, even though we can load it and we can edit it. Which seems rather 
> lame.
> 
>  Any idea what to do about that? Is it really ok that we just refuse to save 
> it? Or should we save it even though the contents may be broken?

IMHO the only sane solution would be to detect the broken CRCs on read and
report a broken file to the user. Eventually we could offer some recovery
option: mark the broken CRCs to be recalculated and keep the stuff or drop the
broken ZIP entries. I guess most users can't make this decision, so I would opt
for optional recovery of the entries, ignoring the CRCs.

Easier solution: we just deny / abort loading the file and tell the user babout
the broken file.

It really strange that the broken CRCs are just detected on write and the
document loads without a problem. Or do we ignore all ZIP entries, which we
don't know, which would be strange too?
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Saving documents with broken zip streams (Re: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Luboš Luňák]

On Monday 03 of June 2019, Caolán McNamara wrote:
> On Mon, 2019-06-03 at 12:23 +0200, Luboš Luňák wrote:
> > On Thursday 30 of May 2019, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > >   + some in the zip area - assuming they are threading related.
> >
> >  Is this about those documents such
> > as /srv/crashtestdata/files/caolan/opendocument_stack_overflow_2.odt
> > ? How
> > can I reproduce that problem? If I try to fetch
> > buildsl...@vm138.documentfoundation.org:
> > an/opendocument_stack_overflow_2.odt ,
> > it doesn't exist.
>
> I attach two of the examples here. The input name was foo.sample, the
> output to odt name appears higher up in the bt during the export.
>
> ./instdir/program/soffice.bin --headless --convert-to odt
> opendocument_stack_overflow.sample


 Ok, so it's not a problem with my code, my changes just happened to show the 
problem, and the problem is that those documents are broken. If you try to 
unzip the documents, it will complain about incorrect CRC (although it still 
will uncompress them). And what happens is that when we try to save the file, 
apparently only by that point we'll read those zip streams, there will be a 
ZipException about that, and the code in package/ is not exception-safe. So 
ZipOutputStream::writeLOC() gets called but not the matching 
ZipOutputStream::rawCloseEntry().

 But this is actually broken on several levels. If I make the code to catch 
the exception better, I'll need to make it somehow handle the fact that 
writeLOC() prepared for writing en entry, but then there's nothing to write. 
But that's actually not important, since ZipPackageStream::saveChild() will 
still return failure, so ZipPackageFolder::saveContents() will throw an 
exception, making the whole document saving fail. Which in turn means this 
whole save business is irrelevant, as there's just no way to save the 
document, even though we can load it and we can edit it. Which seems rather 
lame.

 Any idea what to do about that? Is it really ok that we just refuse to save 
it? Or should we save it even though the contents may be broken?

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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Weghorn]

Hi everyone,

a quick follow-up:

> * Pending Action Items:
> + run the certification script (Kendy)
> + make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)

Just talked to jmux on IRC. Since making qt5 experimental doesn't work
easily (s. Jan-Marek's email [1]), the suggestion is to just keep it as
is, i.e. qt5 is never used by default, but people can select it by
setting the SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 environment  variable (and set
SAL_VCL_QT5_USE_CAIRO in addition to get Cairo rendering).

This is the third option from the 3 Jan-Marek suggested:
> IMHO that leaves us with:
> 1. don't allow to load the qt5 plugin in 6.2 at all
> 2. switch qt5 to cairo in 6.2 only
> 3. cope with the eventual bug fallout, when 6.2 becomes still (which I think
> won't be large, but who knows)


[1] https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-May/082835.html



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minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Gabriel, Michael W, Xisco, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16) - 2 weeks out.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze:
  + will create branch later this week.
  + so far no reviews required on each side, but no features either:
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
- 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/a42291d0abd14c6c763962a5ae60b02a8552f641/backtraces/task947-core.20261.backtrace.txt
 related ?
+ working on the bugs ...
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ extraordinarily busy - would but like to get it in.
 + HSQLDB vs. Firebird ? (Caolan)
+ do we re-visit this for 6.3 ? what is the state ?
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes for MacOS (cloph)
+ Helpcontent2
+ Fills, fixes and refactors (ohallot, libreofficiant, G. Kelemen)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Proposal submission phase, until end of june
+ Supporting candidates in their proposal
+ reviewing their work plan.
+ Guides
+ Calc guide on going

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 202(202) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(0) 11(-8) 27(-10) 73(-11)
 commented 31(-4)   145(-84)   457(-89)   1388(-76)
   removed  0(-3) 3(-2) 14(-2)  26(0)  
  resolved  3(0) 12(2)  39(-3) 134(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 101 changes in 1 month, and 611 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 24 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 24 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 22 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 12 changes in 1 month, and 196 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 12 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year
  Adalbert Hanßen made 6 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Crash testing:
  + 41(+25) import failure, 5(+1) export failures
  + increased dramatically - mst did some work to take out
another patch - and put in some more asserts.
   + is it an overly assertive assert ?
  + most are calc crashers.
  + some in the zip area - assuming they are threading related.
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 failures, none critical.
  + special env. var to make our fuzzers live needed
  + special pre-test now, but left out the env.var
  + pre-check was blocking us.
  + all fixed now and re-start
+ waiting for coverity
  + until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1460 (-297)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 293 (+16)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1295 (-237)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 2428 (-444)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.4.2
+ 929 (+810)
  + numbers looking good.

* Hackfests & Events (Sophie)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Paris in Summer (Sophie)
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 6th
+ near Gare de Nord, La Mouette working on communication
  + designing a flier – avoids stomping on exams at end of June
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Paris2019 
  + hope to have a Hackfest NG setup again – mentees, please speak up!
  + people are adding themselves to the wiki already.
+ tentative Dresden: late autumn (past mid-October, for having students)
  + Brussels Hackathon (Thorsten)
  + pending October hackfest – needs confirmation
  + conflicts with Dresden – need a decision in May or so; pending …
  => 

Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Weghorn]

On 23/05/2019 17.19, Jan-Marek Glogowski wrote:
> IMHO that leaves us with:
> 1. don't allow to load the qt5 plugin in 6.2 at all
> 2. switch qt5 to cairo in 6.2 only
> 3. cope with the eventual bug fallout, when 6.2 becomes still (which I think
> won't be large, but who knows)
> 
> Honestly I would go with 3. Eventually even 2.

Sounds reasonable to me (both, 3. and 2.).
> P.S. and if kde5 doesn't make it into still, qt5 will be gone too.

That depends. My understanding of the discussion so far (s.a.
tdf#124044) was that kde5 wouldn't be the default (on Plasma/LXQt) if
not considered "ready" in time for 6.2.5. This could e.g. easily be
achieved by reverting commit f2bf002e90bf5cc74cf190d66507e59b78ba73e9
("Add autodetection for KDE5 VCL Plugin").
In this case, people manually setting "SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN" would still be
able to choose qt5 or kde5, but IMHO people doing so should know what
they're doing... (matching case 3 from above).
I don't have strong opinion on that, though.
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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Jan-Marek Glogowski]

Hi everyone,

Am 23.05.19 um 16:34 schrieb Michael Meeks:
> * Completed Action Items:
> 
> * Pending Action Items:
> + make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)

So I just tried to implement this, but it's to early to access the config.
I get an com::sun::star::uno::DeploymentException when using
officecfg::Office::Common::Misc::ExperimentalMode::get() and the "real"
SvtMiscOptions::IsExperimentalMode() is in svtools, which itself depends on vcl,
so I can't use that either.

I really don't want to start parsing LO config options in some manual way in the
plugin loader. I was hoping for a simple solution (two lines of code currently),
but here we are / I am.

IMHO that leaves us with:
1. don't allow to load the qt5 plugin in 6.2 at all
2. switch qt5 to cairo in 6.2 only
3. cope with the eventual bug fallout, when 6.2 becomes still (which I think
won't be large, but who knows)

Honestly I would go with 3. Eventually even 2.

Something for next week?
Other opinions and options?

Jan-Marek

P.S. and if kde5 doesn't make it into still, qt5 will be gone too.
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minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Eike, Stephan, Olivier, Xisco, Michael S,
  Armin, Michael W, Cloph, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc2 status 
  released as final this week.
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
+ 6.3 alpha1: status
  + feature freeze: next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze: next week
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ enhancements for A11y (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontents2
+ page house keeping (ohallot, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Applicants to supply a work plan 
+ ~20 contacts, 3 responses.
+ hopefully more by end of the month
+ Guides
+ Calc Guide under work by doc team.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(3) 19(-2)37(0)   83(1)  
 commented 61(-7)   241(10)   569(24)1463(35) 
   removed  3(2)  5(2) 16(1)   26(1)  
  resolved  5(4) 11(1) 44(0)  134(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 105 changes in 1 month, and 617 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 53 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 33 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 27 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 270 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 13 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/16-23

  * For (mail manage wizard) in (Tools) and in the step (Select Address
List) in case where the choice board is empty  and  are activated
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125330 
  * Add a link to FAQ to "JRE missing" message box
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * Writer – Aspect Ratio Incorrect When Making Image Fit Paragraph Width
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124888 
  * LibreOffice Theme dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125448 
  => in discussion, unconfirmed, needinfo

  * Tip of the Day dialog has different default controls for tips with and
without links, making different behaviour for simply pressing Enter
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * The tabs of the layer tabbar are much too wide in Draw without the
protect icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125403 
  * Implement different border colors depending on the LibreOffice app
launched on Windows
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125443 
  * Add Ctr+D and Ctrl+B to populate content from adjacent cells
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125417 
  * Bad layout in "Save As" dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125453 
  * Elements pane: Items not reachable without mouse
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65587 
  => new

->* The updater has never worked for me (on Linux) and manual
updating is extremely cumbersome
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125451
+ assume this is never seen in distro builds (Michael)
+ always only had the check-for-updates (Christian)
   + are they talking about this feature ?
   + or the un-released experimental incremental update from Markus
   + that’s not on Linux (Heiko)
+ works on Linux – only for daily builds (Xisco)
+ won’t get rid of update is available thing (Christian)
   + can improve the UI of course but … it stays.
  => 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Heiko, Caolan, Eike, Stephan, Olivier, Xisco, Michael S,
  Armin, Michael W, Cloph, Miklos, Thorsten, Michael M

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ make Qt5 backend experimental (Jmux)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc2 status 
  released as final this week.
+ 6.2.5 rc1 week 24 (June 10-16)
+ 6.3 alpha1: status
  + feature freeze: next week.
+ 6.3.0 beta1 / libreoffice-6-3 branch / feature freeze: next week
  + late features
 + Apple notarization feature for 10.4.15 (Christian)
+ basic framework is running, but missing gathering
of entitlements for features eg. integrate with AppleScript
 + Zip parallelism (Lubos)
+ should give a nice win for big ODS file saving
+ see tdf#113042
 + Online / Sidebar merge – core + online (Ash)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ enhancements for A11y (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontents2
+ page house keeping (ohallot, LibreOfficiant)
+ Google seasons of Doc
+ Applicants to supply a work plan 
+ ~20 contacts, 3 responses.
+ hopefully more by end of the month
+ Guides
+ Calc Guide under work by doc team.

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 213(213) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(3) 19(-2)37(0)   83(1)  
 commented 61(-7)   241(10)   569(24)1463(35) 
   removed  3(2)  5(2) 16(1)   26(1)  
  resolved  5(4) 11(1) 44(0)  134(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 105 changes in 1 month, and 617 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 53 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 33 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 27 changes in 1 month, and 234 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 25 changes in 1 month, and 270 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 13 changes in 1 month, and 128 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 8 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/16-23

  * For (mail manage wizard) in (Tools) and in the step (Select Address
List) in case where the choice board is empty  and  are activated
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125330 
  * Add a link to FAQ to "JRE missing" message box
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * Writer – Aspect Ratio Incorrect When Making Image Fit Paragraph Width
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124888 
  * LibreOffice Theme dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125448 
  => in discussion, unconfirmed, needinfo

  * Tip of the Day dialog has different default controls for tips with and
without links, making different behaviour for simply pressing Enter
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125379 
  * The tabs of the layer tabbar are much too wide in Draw without the
protect icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125403 
  * Implement different border colors depending on the LibreOffice app
launched on Windows
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125443 
  * Add Ctr+D and Ctrl+B to populate content from adjacent cells
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125417 
  * Bad layout in "Save As" dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125453 
  * Elements pane: Items not reachable without mouse
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65587 
  => new

->* The updater has never worked for me (on Linux) and manual
updating is extremely cumbersome
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125451
+ assume this is never seen in distro builds (Michael)
+ always only had the check-for-updates (Christian)
   + are they talking about this feature ?
   + or the un-released experimental incremental update from Markus
   + that’s not on Linux (Heiko)
+ works on Linux – only for daily builds (Xisco)
+ won’t get rid of update is available thing (Christian)
   + can improve the UI of course but … it stays.
  => 

Jenkins build times (Re: minutes of ESC call ...)

[Luboš Luňák]

On Saturday 18 of May 2019, Luboš Luňák wrote:
> On Friday 17 of May 2019, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
> > Yeah, same anecdotal evidence here. Is the assumption we don't need
> > more Mac build power based on hard data?
>
>  IIRC one Mac bot had some problems a couple of days back, so maybe the
> increased Mac load was just caused by catching up there (I certainly
> remember waiting for those to finally pass). If I right now look at gerrit
> master builds in progress, none of them is currently waiting exclusively
> for Mac, but some of them are for Windows.


 BTW, I've noticed that all setups except for gcc use --enable-dbgutil, which 
in turn by default does --disable-optimized. Given that Jenkins builds also 
run all checks and that takes time that cannot be avoided/cached in any way, 
wouldn't it be in total faster to go with --enable-optimized? I'm not sure 
how that'd turn out with the Windows build, but at least the ccache-enabled 
ones could easily gain on that. I know unittests also try to print out a 
backtrace if they crash, but do we need that for Jenkins builds? Quite 
possibly adding --enable-optimized --disable-symbols could save quite some 
build power.

 Also, every build has to build all the stuff in external/, over and over 
again. That shouldn't matter much with ccache, but presumably the Windows 
build spends quite some time there. We could try some silly^H^Hinteresting 
improvements there, such as adding PCHs even for those.

-- 
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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Noel Grandin]

On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 12:15, Luboš Luňák  wrote:

> On Friday 17 of May 2019, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
> > Stephan Bergmann wrote:
> > > Whenever I recently happened to look at Gerrit/Jenkins builds that
> > > hadn't finished yet, it was the Mac build that was still
> > > outstanding, so I think we do have a bottleneck there after all.
> >
> > Yeah, same anecdotal evidence here. Is the assumption we don't need
> > more Mac build power based on hard data?
>

Periodically the mac build bots maintained by Norbert will go offline or
become unreachable and that can take a couple of days to resolve, and once
they come back the build queue can take a day or so to get back to normal.

If we want more reliability, we are going to need more mac resources hosted
where we can get to them faster.
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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Luboš Luňák]

On Friday 17 of May 2019, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
> Stephan Bergmann wrote:
> > Whenever I recently happened to look at Gerrit/Jenkins builds that
> > hadn't finished yet, it was the Mac build that was still
> > outstanding, so I think we do have a bottleneck there after all.
>
> Yeah, same anecdotal evidence here. Is the assumption we don't need
> more Mac build power based on hard data?


 IIRC one Mac bot had some problems a couple of days back, so maybe the 
increased Mac load was just caused by catching up there (I certainly remember 
waiting for those to finally pass). If I right now look at gerrit master 
builds in progress, none of them is currently waiting exclusively for Mac, 
but some of them are for Windows.


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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Thorsten Behrens]

Stephan Bergmann wrote:
> Whenever I recently happened to look at Gerrit/Jenkins builds that
> hadn't finished yet, it was the Mac build that was still
> outstanding, so I think we do have a bottleneck there after all.
>
Yeah, same anecdotal evidence here. Is the assumption we don't need
more Mac build power based on hard data?

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Stephan Bergmann]

On 09/05/2019 16:46, Michael Meeks wrote:

* Jenkins / CI update (Christian)
 from:Thu May  2 13:58:26 2019
 master linux rel  jobs: 129 ok: 129 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 
broken duration: 0.00%
 master linux dbg  jobs:  86 ok:  83 ko:   3 fail ratio:  3.49 % break:   2 
broken duration: 4.03%
 master mac reljobs:  75 ok:  70 ko:   5 fail ratio:  6.67 % break:   4 
broken duration: 5.67%
 master mac dbgjobs:  69 ok:  62 ko:   7 fail ratio: 10.14 % break:   4 
broken duration:12.32%
 master win reljobs:  86 ok:  63 ko:  23 fail ratio: 26.74 % break:  17 
broken duration:23.09%
 master win dbgjobs:  90 ok:  75 ko:  15 fail ratio: 16.67 % break:  12 
broken duration:12.80%
 master win64 dbg  jobs:  88 ok:  67 ko:  21 fail ratio: 23.86 % break:  16 
broken duration:25.91%
 lo-5.3 macjobs:   0 ok:   0 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 
broken duration: 0.00%
 lo-5.4 macjobs:   0 ok:   0 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 
broken duration: 0.00%
 master gerrit lin jobs: 451 ok: 331 ko:  21 fail ratio:  4.66% time for 
ok: mean:  21 median:  21
 master gerrit plg jobs: 462 ok: 297 ko:  92 fail ratio: 19.91% time for 
ok: mean:  36 median:  33
 master gerrit win jobs: 498 ok: 292 ko:  75 fail ratio: 15.06% time for 
ok: mean:  65 median:  64
 master gerrit mac jobs: 478 ok: 291 ko:  74 fail ratio: 15.48% time for 
ok: mean:  62 median:  37
 master gerrit all jobs: 434 ok: 240 ko: 165 fail ratio: 38.02% time for 
ok: mean: 120 median:  85
+ https://dev-www.libreoffice.org/tmp/gerrit_190509.html
+ notable test failures in last seven days:
   4 JunitTest_forms_unoapi_2
   5 UITest_conditional_format
   7 CppunitTest_sc_bugfix_test
  11 UITest_writer_tests5
+ dis-connected bots over the weekend
+ one failing mac killed a lot of builds until disabled
+ 2 Mac Pros dis-connected, one mis-behaving, one in power-save state ?
   + right now – 1 Mac short.
   + 1 is at Norbert’s company – needs an ask for a reboot, or re-route
+ could we get another Mac Pro for hosting ? (Thorsten)
   + hard to host – but no mounting for racks (Christian)
  + newer Mac Minis are perhaps suitable.
   + Macs shouldn’t be the bottleneck anyway
   + Windows is the limiting factor


Whenever I recently happened to look at Gerrit/Jenkins builds that 
hadn't finished yet, it was the Mac build that was still outstanding, so 
I think we do have a bottleneck there after all.


Witness:

* My "May 16 22:51" comment at 
: "gerrit_mac is hopelessly 
overloaded right now, with a 30+ long build queue (waiting builds #33071 
through #33095)" (though that's rather 20+ than 30+, of course)


* Armin's "May 16 23:32" comment at 
: "sooo... Build is blocked 
prob due to Mac missing - due to no Macs available...?"

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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Noel Grandin]

On Thu, 16 May 2019 at 17:04, Michael Meeks 
wrote:

> * ItemSet re-work (Armin)
>+ most of items are sorted in the item-pools (Armin)
>   + not inside the item-sets.
>   + in the item pools: just in a vector
>   + only compare, not < operator – usually not sorted.
>

Note that I have recently, as part of performance work, added the ability
for SfxPoolItem's to opt-in to sorting themselves when stored inside
SfxItemPool, which dramatically speeds up the common "lets see if the item
already exists in this pool" check.


https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/svl/source/inc/poolio.hxx?r=0725e8a5


https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/include/svl/poolitem.hxx?r=1e268223#154
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minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Xisco, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S, Gabriel, Eike, Drew,
  Stephan, Cloph, Sophie, Miklos, Armin, Michael M, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.3 alpha1: tagged, builds uploaded, except Win32 (had to redo the build)
  + feature freeze: week after the next week
  + please announce late features next week, if there will be any
+ 6.2.4 rc2 – tag planned for today
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpontent2 
 + XML Fixes, typos (fitoshido, A Gelmini, ohallot)
 + fix contents (bubli)
 + review of l10n issues (A. Timar)
+ Goggle Seasons of Doc
 + 16 Tech Writer candidates, 
 + mostly students
 + Evaluating their tech Writer skills.
+ Guides
 + On going Calc update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4)21(-2)37(1)   82(1)  
 commented 68(13)   231(14)   545(30)1428(21) 
   removed  1(1)  3(-2)15(1)   25(1)  
  resolved  1(-3)10(-1)44(-2) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 104 changes in 1 month, and 600 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 30 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 262 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 29 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 9 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/09-16

  * hyperlink choice should be remembered
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125246 
  * Wrong toolbar colors on Windows classic theme
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124851
  * duplicate assignment of accelerators on a single menu disrupts keyboard
use, eliminate duplicate accelerators
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125227 
  * Footer can not be made to appear only on the first page after it has
been filled with content
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125280 
  => DUP, WF, NAB

  * change default grid size to 25x25 mm = 1x1 zoll
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125275 
  * UX: The Find bar should search in “Current selection only” if a cell
range is selected
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125282 
  => in discussion

  * horizontal separator between notebookbar and main view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124667 
  => NEW

  ->  * Replace Mozilla themes with a proprietary tool reusing the existing
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125217 
  * Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
  * Provide an option to hide the animation effect
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124477 
  * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or as
character
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
  * Missing color name(s) in Conditional formatting dialog, hard coded color
values not present on standard.soc
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125289 
  * wrong Bar color name in the Data bar dialog (#FF instead of Blue)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125288 
  * Replace hard-coded chevron by themable icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125296 
  => easyhack

  ->  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => needsDevAdvice

+ patch to show a What’s New infobar pointing to the releasenotes
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/72218/ (review pending)

  => please carefully update the release notes

 + what version do we include in there ? (Christian)
 + majors so 6.1 or 6.2
 + why not just chat to Christian (Michael)
 + keep it as it is ? (Heiko)
 + use what 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Xisco, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S, Gabriel, Eike, Drew,
  Stephan, Cloph, Sophie, Miklos, Armin, Michael M, Olivier, Thorsten,
  Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)
+ commit access
   + GSOC mentors ask students (all)
   + communication issue wrt. Help (Sophie)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.3 alpha1: tagged, builds uploaded, except Win32 (had to redo the build)
  + feature freeze: week after the next week
  + please announce late features next week, if there will be any
+ 6.2.4 rc2 – tag planned for today
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (No news)
+ Helpontent2 
 + XML Fixes, typos (fitoshido, A Gelmini, ohallot)
 + fix contents (bubli)
 + review of l10n issues (A. Timar)
+ Goggle Seasons of Doc
 + 16 Tech Writer candidates, 
 + mostly students
 + Evaluating their tech Writer skills.
+ Guides
 + On going Calc update

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4)21(-2)37(1)   82(1)  
 commented 68(13)   231(14)   545(30)1428(21) 
   removed  1(1)  3(-2)15(1)   25(1)  
  resolved  1(-3)10(-1)44(-2) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 104 changes in 1 month, and 600 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 48 changes in 1 month, and 219 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 43 changes in 1 month, and 205 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 42 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 30 changes in 1 month, and 198 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 262 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 29 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 9 changes in 1 month, and 66 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between May/09-16

  * hyperlink choice should be remembered
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125246 
  * Wrong toolbar colors on Windows classic theme
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124851
  * duplicate assignment of accelerators on a single menu disrupts keyboard
use, eliminate duplicate accelerators
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125227 
  * Footer can not be made to appear only on the first page after it has
been filled with content
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125280 
  => DUP, WF, NAB

  * change default grid size to 25x25 mm = 1x1 zoll
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125275 
  * UX: The Find bar should search in “Current selection only” if a cell
range is selected
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125282 
  => in discussion

  * horizontal separator between notebookbar and main view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124667 
  => NEW

  ->  * Replace Mozilla themes with a proprietary tool reusing the existing
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125217 
  * Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
  * Provide an option to hide the animation effect
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124477 
  * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or as
character
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
  * Missing color name(s) in Conditional formatting dialog, hard coded color
values not present on standard.soc
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125289 
  * wrong Bar color name in the Data bar dialog (#FF instead of Blue)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125288 
  * Replace hard-coded chevron by themable icon
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125296 
  => easyhack

  ->  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => needsDevAdvice

+ patch to show a What’s New infobar pointing to the releasenotes
  + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/72218/ (review pending)

  => please carefully update the release notes

 + what version do we include in there ? (Christian)
 + majors so 6.1 or 6.2
 + why not just chat to Christian (Michael)
 + keep it as it is ? (Heiko)
 + use what 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Sophie, Olivier, Stephan, Christian, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Xisco, Gabriel, Caolan, Eike, Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out GSOC welcome mails on Monday & next steps (org admins)
+ poke NISZ to see who would want to attend (Michael)
+ enable gtk3_kde5 for x86_64 distro config (Christian)
[ enabled it for the 6.2.4 rc1 builds
  was missing a sanity check – now fixed in both branches ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc3
   + released on Tuesday
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – status
   + rc1 on mirrors.
   + rc2 – tagged next week
+ 6.3 alpha1: due this week – perhaps evening
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
   + 6.1.6 source released.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
+ Helpcontent2 (no news)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Contacting possible mentors
   + TDF will have only 1 project
  + at best 2 projects but 2nd not garanteed
   + Need to select the 1st project
  + LOOL Guide ?
  + Calc Guide ?
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
  
+ Guides (non GSDOC)
   + New community members joining for Calc revision

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 23(2) 36(1)   81(1)  
 commented 55(-20)   217(1)515(26)1407(10) 
   removed  0(-2)  5(-1)14(0)   24(0)  
  resolved  4(2)  11(0) 46(0)  130(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 106 changes in 1 month, and 590 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 65 changes in 1 month, and 224 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 214 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 35 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 31 changes in 1 month, and 260 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 
year

+ New needsUXEval between May/02-09

  * shift-click for absolute reference when entering formulas
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125118 
  * New print dialog: Page Format is always A4
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123076 
 ->   * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or 
as character
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720 
   + change the default from “to paragraph” to “as character”; 
 ask the community about preferences and introduce option in case of 
 a split
=> needinfo, in discussion
   + sounds like a good move (Miklos, Caolan)
   + match the similar default in Word.

  * Customizations made to Writer are not present in Master Document view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67014 
  => WF

  * UI: Show 'Go to first/last page' in new print dialog
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125130 
  => easyHack, needsDevEval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (+0,-0) issues  
+ Crash testing:
  + 82(+72) import failure, 54(+44) export failures
  + big jump this week – single set of assets from starmath
 + backed out since lets see …
  + other crashers – some fixes in gerrit.
  + one writer crash – not reproducing even on test machine
outside of the run.
  + don’t expect to get back to zero for a couple of iterations.
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 public – hyperlink bits
  + MITRE pushback on description, resubmitted
+ need to duplicate versions in the text.
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 895 (+3)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1294 (-30)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 68 (-)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1832 (-88)
  + 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Sophie, Olivier, Stephan, Christian, Michael S, Michael W,
  Michael M, Xisco, Gabriel, Caolan, Eike, Heiko, Kendy, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ send out GSOC welcome mails on Monday & next steps (org admins)
+ poke NISZ to see who would want to attend (Michael)
+ enable gtk3_kde5 for x86_64 distro config (Christian)
[ enabled it for the 6.2.4 rc1 builds
  was missing a sanity check – now fixed in both branches ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc3
   + released on Tuesday
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – status
   + rc1 on mirrors.
   + rc2 – tagged next week
+ 6.3 alpha1: due this week – perhaps evening
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online
   + 6.1.6 source released.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (no news)
+ Helpcontent2 (no news)
+ Google Seasons of Doc
   + Contacting possible mentors
   + TDF will have only 1 project
  + at best 2 projects but 2nd not garanteed
   + Need to select the 1st project
  + LOOL Guide ?
  + Calc Guide ?
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
  
+ Guides (non GSDOC)
   + New community members joining for Calc revision

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 212(212) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-5) 23(2) 36(1)   81(1)  
 commented 55(-20)   217(1)515(26)1407(10) 
   removed  0(-2)  5(-1)14(0)   24(0)  
  resolved  4(2)  11(0) 46(0)  130(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 106 changes in 1 month, and 590 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 65 changes in 1 month, and 224 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 52 changes in 1 month, and 214 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 35 changes in 1 month, and 195 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 33 changes in 1 month, and 237 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 31 changes in 1 month, and 260 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 121 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 126 changes in 1 year
  Monastirsky, Maxim made 10 changes in 1 month, and 36 changes in 1 
year

+ New needsUXEval between May/02-09

  * shift-click for absolute reference when entering formulas
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125118 
  * New print dialog: Page Format is always A4
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123076 
 ->   * Insert image not in a new paragraph but in the current position or 
as character
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45778 
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87720 
   + change the default from “to paragraph” to “as character”; 
 ask the community about preferences and introduce option in case of 
 a split
=> needinfo, in discussion
   + sounds like a good move (Miklos, Caolan)
   + match the similar default in Word.

  * Customizations made to Writer are not present in Master Document view
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67014 
  => WF

  * UI: Show 'Go to first/last page' in new print dialog
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125130 
  => easyHack, needsDevEval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (+0,-0) issues  
+ Crash testing:
  + 82(+72) import failure, 54(+44) export failures
  + big jump this week – single set of assets from starmath
 + backed out since lets see …
  + other crashers – some fixes in gerrit.
  + one writer crash – not reproducing even on test machine
outside of the run.
  + don’t expect to get back to zero for a couple of iterations.
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 public – hyperlink bits
  + MITRE pushback on description, resubmitted
+ need to duplicate versions in the text.
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 895 (+3)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1294 (-30)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.6.3
+ 68 (-)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1832 (-88)
  + 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Caolán McNamara]

On Thu, 2019-05-02 at 15:44 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + Crash testing:

I meant to mention that I also refreshed the collection of files we
test, so its now up to 113070 documents

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minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Sophie, Thorsten, Olivier, Christian, Michael W, Eduard A, Caolan,
Michael M, Michael S, Xisco, Heiko, Eike

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc2 – status
+ tagged, but bug found by fuzzing, so will be an rc3
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – this week starting April 29th
+ 6.3 alpha1: next week
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Added “copy-to-clip” for BASIC and Python code (ohallot)
 + fixes in Javascript (buovjaga)
+ HelpContent2
 + New pages for Calc functions (ohallot)
 + Add release info on Calc functions (ohallot, M Kaganski)
 + refactoring of some Help pages (buovjaga)
 + More pages on Python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Google seasons of Doc
 + TDF accepted as mentor org – Yay!
 + Please forward your name for mentoring !
 + spike in interest too.
+ Books
 + New interested Authors/revisors

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 209(209) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(0) 21(1) 35(1)   80(2)  
 commented 75(4)216(-1)   489(-4)1397(7)  
   removed  2(2)  6(1) 14(1)   24(2)  
  resolved  2(-1)11(0) 46(-4) 131(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 93 changes in 1 month, and 577 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 64 changes in 1 month, and 191 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 62 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 48 changes in 1 month, and 211 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 8 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year

* New needsUXEval between Apr/25-May/02

  + Feature request: A similar approach of Dark mode like in MS Office which
do not override any document color & picture.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124969 
  + The descriptions of Safe Mode options are misleading
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120269 
   -> + Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
   -> + Replace single toolbar with contextual single
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125040 

   -> + Cell Formatting for URL websites, or other URI schemes
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124994
   -> + Custom page size missing from print dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78916 
   -> + Insert > Data Labels opens wrong dialog for all data series 
(as opposed to individual data series)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124995 
  => needsDevAdvice

  + uno:Hyphenate toggle in calc, draw, impress but not in writer menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125032 
  => Easyhack

  + looking at recent files list we should see the path info
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125076
  + Default shape name should refer to kind of shape instead of just Shape
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124989 
  => DUP/NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (-5,-0) issues
  + found a new issue that was back-ported to 6.1 - can fix before it got 
out.
+ Crash testing:
  + 10(+4) import failure, 10(-12) export failures
  + new pivot-table issue, some bits from Noel's optimization
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 assigned
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 992 (+114)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1264 (+161)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1920 (-93)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 1503 (+634)

  + No symbols for win 6.2.3.2 updated → https://paste.ee/p/wJqrW
+ talked with Moggi who was on vacation
+ checked - symbols for latest version were not updated.
+ could swear I didup-load (Christian)
+ if not there, symbols 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Sophie, Thorsten, Olivier, Christian, Michael W, Eduard A, Caolan,
Michael M, Michael S, Xisco, Heiko, Eike

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.6 rc2 – status
+ tagged, but bug found by fuzzing, so will be an rc3
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – this week starting April 29th
+ 6.3 alpha1: next week
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Added “copy-to-clip” for BASIC and Python code (ohallot)
 + fixes in Javascript (buovjaga)
+ HelpContent2
 + New pages for Calc functions (ohallot)
 + Add release info on Calc functions (ohallot, M Kaganski)
 + refactoring of some Help pages (buovjaga)
 + More pages on Python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Google seasons of Doc
 + TDF accepted as mentor org – Yay!
 + Please forward your name for mentoring !
 + spike in interest too.
+ Books
 + New interested Authors/revisors

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
252(252) (topicUI) bugs open, 209(209) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(0) 21(1) 35(1)   80(2)  
 commented 75(4)216(-1)   489(-4)1397(7)  
   removed  2(2)  6(1) 14(1)   24(2)  
  resolved  2(-1)11(0) 46(-4) 131(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 93 changes in 1 month, and 577 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 64 changes in 1 month, and 191 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 62 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 48 changes in 1 month, and 211 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 30 changes in 1 month, and 251 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 29 changes in 1 month, and 125 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 16 changes in 1 month, and 218 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 8 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year

* New needsUXEval between Apr/25-May/02

  + Feature request: A similar approach of Dark mode like in MS Office which
do not override any document color & picture.
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124969 
  + The descriptions of Safe Mode options are misleading
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120269 
   -> + Rename tabbed layout to notebookbar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125009 
   -> + Replace single toolbar with contextual single
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125040 

   -> + Cell Formatting for URL websites, or other URI schemes
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124994
   -> + Custom page size missing from print dialog
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78916 
   -> + Insert > Data Labels opens wrong dialog for all data series 
(as opposed to individual data series)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124995 
  => needsDevAdvice

  + uno:Hyphenate toggle in calc, draw, impress but not in writer menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125032 
  => Easyhack

  + looking at recent files list we should see the path info
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125076
  + Default shape name should refer to kind of shape instead of just Shape
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124989 
  => DUP/NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 7 (-5,-0) issues
  + found a new issue that was back-ported to 6.1 - can fix before it got 
out.
+ Crash testing:
  + 10(+4) import failure, 10(-12) export failures
  + new pivot-table issue, some bits from Noel's optimization
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.
  + CVE-2019-9847 assigned
+ ForcePoint #9 Completed
  + recontacted them, launched fuzzing again vs. master
+ waiting
  + coverity scan – until new version that supports c++17(?)

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 992 (+114)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 1264 (+161)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 1920 (-93)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.3.2
+ 1503 (+634)

  + No symbols for win 6.2.3.2 updated → https://paste.ee/p/wJqrW
+ talked with Moggi who was on vacation
+ checked - symbols for latest version were not updated.
+ could swear I didup-load (Christian)
+ if not there, symbols 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Olivier, Christian, Eike, Kendy, Thorsten, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan,
Michael S, Michael M, Michael W, Stephan

* Completed Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
+ drop ESC advice on alien formats into relevant bug ticket (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291#c15 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – next week starting April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
   + tagged before the call – builds triggered
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fixes in build (sberg, himanjin1)
+ Fixes in search (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes (ohallot)
+ updates in function names (kompilainen)
+ Google Seasons of DOC
+ Awaiting April 30th for response
+ Guides:
+ Stalled. Will interact with GSoD

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(7) 20(10)34(9)   78(11) 
 commented 71(30)   217(34)   493(35)1390(66) 
   removed  0(-3) 5(-1)13(0)   22(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 11(-4)50(-5) 132(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 89 changes in 1 month, and 568 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 70 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 63 changes in 1 month, and 208 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 20 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 10 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Apr/18-25

  * Context toolbar make jumping ui
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 
  * Formatting: Formula result has different alignment than regular values
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124860 
  * close button on menubar didn't use the color of the menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124928 
  * Save icon breaks icon customization
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98193  
  => in discussion

  * Help->About LibreOffice dialog does not specify whether 32 or 64 bit 
is installed
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124936
+ proposal is to add 32bits when its not 64.
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  => new/easyhack
+ currently option is Never
   + it is dangerous currently (Heiko)
 + might need an update.
 + can re-calculate alien formats
   + Is there a good reason to break calcs ? (Michael)
   + no way to detect if you need re-calculation (Eike)
 + would be there always for Alien formats.
   + sometimes we have to calculate this (Eike)
 + can have some other wording, but …
+ suggestion is two-fold (Heiko)
   + not having a blocking dialog
 → info-bar is not controversial (Michael)
   + ask the user or not.
 → asking the user is controversial (Michael, Eike)
+ problem can be with files stored in an older version (Eike)
   + these can need re-calculating from an old version.
   + if we add a bug & then save it – things break (Kendy)
   + perhaps safest always recalculate – but poor performance (Eike)
  + could depend on the version – before 6.2.3 
eg. but not a friend of that.
   + new, older + alien format options ? (Heiko)
  + not clear to the user why he should choose any of them (Eike)
   + should do something familiar (Michael)

  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => wfm

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 12 (+2,-0) issues
  + fix in gerrit.
+ Crash testing:
  + 6(-2) import failure, 22(+18) export failures
- export failures are really 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Olivier, Christian, Eike, Kendy, Thorsten, Heiko, Xisco, Caolan,
Michael S, Michael M, Michael W, Stephan

* Completed Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/
+ drop ESC advice on alien formats into relevant bug ticket (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291#c15 

* Pending Action Items:
+ run the certification script (Kendy)

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – next week starting April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
   + tagged before the call – builds triggered
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fixes in build (sberg, himanjin1)
+ Fixes in search (buovjaga)
+ Helpcontent2
+ fixes (ohallot)
+ updates in function names (kompilainen)
+ Google Seasons of DOC
+ Awaiting April 30th for response
+ Guides:
+ Stalled. Will interact with GSoD

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 211(211) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 11(7) 20(10)34(9)   78(11) 
 commented 71(30)   217(34)   493(35)1390(66) 
   removed  0(-3) 5(-1)13(0)   22(-1) 
  resolved  3(1) 11(-4)50(-5) 132(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 89 changes in 1 month, and 568 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 70 changes in 1 month, and 188 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 63 changes in 1 month, and 208 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 36 changes in 1 month, and 201 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 33 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 24 changes in 1 month, and 223 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 20 changes in 1 month, and 26 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 15 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 10 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Apr/18-25

  * Context toolbar make jumping ui
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124835 
  * Formatting: Formula result has different alignment than regular values
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124860 
  * close button on menubar didn't use the color of the menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124928 
  * Save icon breaks icon customization
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98193  
  => in discussion

  * Help->About LibreOffice dialog does not specify whether 32 or 64 bit 
is installed
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124936
+ proposal is to add 32bits when its not 64.
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  => new/easyhack
+ currently option is Never
   + it is dangerous currently (Heiko)
 + might need an update.
 + can re-calculate alien formats
   + Is there a good reason to break calcs ? (Michael)
   + no way to detect if you need re-calculation (Eike)
 + would be there always for Alien formats.
   + sometimes we have to calculate this (Eike)
 + can have some other wording, but …
+ suggestion is two-fold (Heiko)
   + not having a blocking dialog
 → info-bar is not controversial (Michael)
   + ask the user or not.
 → asking the user is controversial (Michael, Eike)
+ problem can be with files stored in an older version (Eike)
   + these can need re-calculating from an old version.
   + if we add a bug & then save it – things break (Kendy)
   + perhaps safest always recalculate – but poor performance (Eike)
  + could depend on the version – before 6.2.3 
eg. but not a friend of that.
   + new, older + alien format options ? (Heiko)
  + not clear to the user why he should choose any of them (Eike)
   + should do something familiar (Michael)

  * Option to turn off autocomplete text in quick find
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124774 
  => wfm

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  + 12 (+2,-0) issues
  + fix in gerrit.
+ Crash testing:
  + 6(-2) import failure, 22(+18) export failures
- export failures are really 

Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Xisco Fauli]

Hi Michael,

El 18/4/19 a les 16:55, Michael Meeks ha escrit:
> + UI testing tool update ?
>   + Code is in 
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/uitest/mass-testing
>   + Calc: Found some crashes related to the dynamic number of columns work
>   - E.g. 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124818
>   - Noel fixing them
>   + Writer: Many files crashing with paste + undo
>   - Mostly related to 
>   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117215
> + inherited from OpenOffice
>   - 13800 crashes in crashreport of this signature → 
> https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/BigPtrArray::Index2Block(unsigned%20long)
> + what is a big number for traces ? (Michael)
>+ difficult to tell (Xisco)
>   + don’t know in total; think it’s a big #
>   + tested 2500 files, and 30 crash.

I've just remembered we can retrieve the total number of crashes from
the crashreport API [1], so the crash mentioned above represents the 0.3
of the total

Regards

[1] http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/api/get/crash-count

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Xisco Fauli]

Hi Michael,

> + UI testing tool update ?
>   + Code is in 
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/contrib/dev-tools/tree/uitest/mass-testing
>   + Calc: Found some crashes related to the dynamic number of columns work
>   - E.g. 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124818
>   - Noel fixing them
>   + Writer: Many files crashing with paste + undo
>   - Mostly related to 
>   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117215
> + inherited from OpenOffice
>   - 13800 crashes in crashreport of this signature → 
> https://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/signature/BigPtrArray::Index2Block(unsigned%20long)
> + what is a big number for traces ? (Michael)
>+ difficult to tell (Xisco)
>   + don’t know in total; think it’s a big #
>   + tested 2500 files, and 30 crash.

I've just remembered we can retrieve the total number of crashes from
the crashreport API [1], so the crash mentioned above represents the 0.3
of the total

Regards

[1] http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/api/get/crash-count


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minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Eike, Miklos, Xisco, Michael S, Heiko, Gabriel, Christian, Michael W,
Michael M, Caolan, Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 – announced as final today.
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – week after next starts April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
  + to be tagged next week – last one of 6.1.x
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is now updated for Java SDK
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Fixes (sberg)
+ Help content2
   + New pages for Python (libreofficiant)
   + Housekeeping (ohallot)
   + reviewing some clunky patches in gerrit (ohallot)
+ Google Season of Doc
   + please add your ideas in the wiki (‘til 4/22/2019)
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides
+ slow improvements on Calc guide update
+ “Tip of the day” as GSDoc ? (Heiko)
+ add some mentor to the page for that (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 207(207) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added 11(6)  17(5)  32(4)   74(3)  
 commented 46(-20)   192(-19)   481(-1)1351(19) 
   removed  3(3)   6(0)  13(2)   23(2)  
  resolved  3(2)  16(-5) 56(-3) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 65 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 47 changes in 1 month, and 259 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 187 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 20 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Apr/11-18

  * menubar show icon in an separte column next to text
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124789
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  * Paste structured text without format but with styles
 -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124764 
  * Option required to show low resolution preview instead of full
resolution for smooth navigation of documents with high resolution
linked images
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117754 
  * Unable to use keyboard to activate the header/footer frame menu button
pop up menu from header/footer edit window
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124113 
  * PARAGRAPH BORDER: Modification border always adds a new border
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124748 
  => unconfirmed/in discussion

  * Update to version 6.2 broke personalisation (theme)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123911 
  => dup

  * Hyperlinks' fonts keep changing when saved/exported as PDF
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123777 
  => new/bug

 needsDevAdvice
  * List incompatible features when saving to alien formats in detail
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291 
+ prototype for solution in c5; feasability unclear
+ trad. answer is – better to fix the interop problems (Michael)
+ 15 highlighting colors doens’t go to MSO (Heiko)
+ why do we have so many ? (Michael)
+ its lots of work scanning the doc to find problems (Michael)
+ two sides – better to spend energy supporting (Miklos)
+ on other side – the CSV filter “only current sheet”
+ some merit to this.
+ in the past did have some scanner code to detect
+ this was removed.
+ remember the filter collection / warning (Caolan)
+ back in the day – more effort to detect missing than impl. It
+ perhaps for big features works, but micro-level tricky.
+ PDF export has something like this too.
AI: + drop chunk into the bug & send to QA (Heiko)

* Crash Testing 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
  + Eike, Miklos, Xisco, Michael S, Heiko, Gabriel, Christian, Michael W,
Michael M, Caolan, Stephan, Olivier

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ mentors to check through the list here (All)
+ https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 – announced as final today.
+ 6.2.4 rc1 – week after next starts April 29th
+ 6.1.6 rc2
  + to be tagged next week – last one of 6.1.x
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May, week 19
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is now updated for Java SDK
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Fixes (sberg)
+ Help content2
   + New pages for Python (libreofficiant)
   + Housekeeping (ohallot)
   + reviewing some clunky patches in gerrit (ohallot)
+ Google Season of Doc
   + please add your ideas in the wiki (‘til 4/22/2019)
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides
+ slow improvements on Calc guide update
+ “Tip of the day” as GSDoc ? (Heiko)
+ add some mentor to the page for that (Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
250(250) (topicUI) bugs open, 207(207) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added 11(6)  17(5)  32(4)   74(3)  
 commented 46(-20)   192(-19)   481(-1)1351(19) 
   removed  3(3)   6(0)  13(2)   23(2)  
  resolved  3(2)  16(-5) 56(-3) 131(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 65 changes in 1 month, and 179 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 47 changes in 1 month, and 259 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 36 changes in 1 month, and 181 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 187 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 20 changes in 1 month, and 220 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  Rasmus Jonsson made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 105 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Apr/11-18

  * menubar show icon in an separte column next to text
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124789
  * UI: the wording around tools - options - LibreOffice Calc - Formula -
Recalculation on File Load is questionable
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124784 
  * Paste structured text without format but with styles
 -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124764 
  * Option required to show low resolution preview instead of full
resolution for smooth navigation of documents with high resolution
linked images
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117754 
  * Unable to use keyboard to activate the header/footer frame menu button
pop up menu from header/footer edit window
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124113 
  * PARAGRAPH BORDER: Modification border always adds a new border
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124748 
  => unconfirmed/in discussion

  * Update to version 6.2 broke personalisation (theme)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123911 
  => dup

  * Hyperlinks' fonts keep changing when saved/exported as PDF
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123777 
  => new/bug

 needsDevAdvice
  * List incompatible features when saving to alien formats in detail
  ->+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115291 
+ prototype for solution in c5; feasability unclear
+ trad. answer is – better to fix the interop problems (Michael)
+ 15 highlighting colors doens’t go to MSO (Heiko)
+ why do we have so many ? (Michael)
+ its lots of work scanning the doc to find problems (Michael)
+ two sides – better to spend energy supporting (Miklos)
+ on other side – the CSV filter “only current sheet”
+ some merit to this.
+ in the past did have some scanner code to detect
+ this was removed.
+ remember the filter collection / warning (Caolan)
+ back in the day – more effort to detect missing than impl. It
+ perhaps for big features works, but micro-level tricky.
+ PDF export has something like this too.
AI: + drop chunk into the bug & send to QA (Heiko)

* Crash Testing 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

From last Thursday - somehow I forgot to post; thanks to
buovjaga for the reminder:

* Present:
+ Olivier H, Christian, Xisco, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie,
  Heiko, Caolan, Michael W, Stephan, Gabriel, Michael M, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ have a script that creates number of consecutive failures,
needs to be hooked up to alerts ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – status
   + tagged and built; being up-loaded to pre-releases then mirrors
+ 6.1.6 rc1 - status
   + tagging later today – final release for 6.1.x line
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:
   + 6.2.3 release up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Reverted proposed patch for makefile (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
 + page for ‘–convert-to’ filters names (buovjaga, ohallot)
 + Pages for handling events in Python (libreofficiant)
 + Fixes in pages (ohallot)
+ GSoDOC
 + Compiling projects
+ Guides
 + On going Calc Guide

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 206(206) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 12(-2)27(-4)  70(-8) 
 commented 78(31)   203(28)   482(-15)   1326(-58)
   removed  1(0)  6(0) 11(1)   21(1)  
  resolved  2(-2)21(0) 60(0)  130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 75 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 60 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 26 changes in 1 month, and 233 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 19 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Apr/04-Apr/11

   * why toggle function DrawText, HyperlinkDialog and Horizontal Line
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124673 
   * remove formular toolbar from writer -> view -> toolbars
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124642 
   * tabs in calc (for sheets) and draw (for layer) style
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124572 
   => in discussion

   * 7x
   => resolved dup, wfm, nab, wf

   * OPTION DIALOG: Add option to show page margins
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124510 
   * jumping ui in calc (pastespecial drop down menu with/without arrow)
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124561 
   => new

   * writer>menubar>Edit> .uno:ShadowCursor isn't related to select subgroup
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124665 
   * HideWhiteSpace should be positive Show Whitespace
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124686 
   * Menubar: Show icons for the most important items
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124649 
   * Add a spellout outline numbering style
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124608 
   * Easier use of CSV in Wizards->Address Data Source
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113753 
   * FORMATTING: paragraph alignment options position is unintuitive
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65473 
   * UX: Handling of empty textboxes
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107825 
   => accepted, easyhack

   * Fix accessibility warnings in .ui files
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119931 
   * Print dialog: margin and distance input are mixed up
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124567 
   => fixed, work in progress

   + always a good idea to test the defaults (Michael)
 + same used for file I/O & UI (Miklos)
+ test this with documents.

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 10 (+20,-21) issues
+ dynamic calc col change seems to cause these
  + back to where we started.
+ Crash testing:
  + 27(+21) import failure, 6(+5) export failures
 + jump 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

From last Thursday - somehow I forgot to post; thanks to
buovjaga for the reminder:

* Present:
+ Olivier H, Christian, Xisco, Michael S, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie,
  Heiko, Caolan, Michael W, Stephan, Gabriel, Michael M, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ have a script that creates number of consecutive failures,
needs to be hooked up to alerts ]

* Pending Action Items:

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – status
   + tagged and built; being up-loaded to pre-releases then mirrors
+ 6.1.6 rc1 - status
   + tagging later today – final release for 6.1.x line
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:
   + 6.2.3 release up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Reverted proposed patch for makefile (ohallot)
+ Helpcontent2
 + page for ‘–convert-to’ filters names (buovjaga, ohallot)
 + Pages for handling events in Python (libreofficiant)
 + Fixes in pages (ohallot)
+ GSoDOC
 + Compiling projects
+ Guides
 + On going Calc Guide

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 206(206) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 12(-2)27(-4)  70(-8) 
 commented 78(31)   203(28)   482(-15)   1326(-58)
   removed  1(0)  6(0) 11(1)   21(1)  
  resolved  2(-2)21(0) 60(0)  130(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 75 changes in 1 month, and 539 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 60 changes in 1 month, and 171 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 28 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 26 changes in 1 month, and 233 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 19 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 15 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 14 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 107 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Apr/04-Apr/11

   * why toggle function DrawText, HyperlinkDialog and Horizontal Line
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124673 
   * remove formular toolbar from writer -> view -> toolbars
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124642 
   * tabs in calc (for sheets) and draw (for layer) style
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124572 
   => in discussion

   * 7x
   => resolved dup, wfm, nab, wf

   * OPTION DIALOG: Add option to show page margins
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124510 
   * jumping ui in calc (pastespecial drop down menu with/without arrow)
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124561 
   => new

   * writer>menubar>Edit> .uno:ShadowCursor isn't related to select subgroup
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124665 
   * HideWhiteSpace should be positive Show Whitespace
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124686 
   * Menubar: Show icons for the most important items
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124649 
   * Add a spellout outline numbering style
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124608 
   * Easier use of CSV in Wizards->Address Data Source
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113753 
   * FORMATTING: paragraph alignment options position is unintuitive
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65473 
   * UX: Handling of empty textboxes
  -> + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107825 
   => accepted, easyhack

   * Fix accessibility warnings in .ui files
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119931 
   * Print dialog: margin and distance input are mixed up
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124567 
   => fixed, work in progress

   + always a good idea to test the defaults (Michael)
 + same used for file I/O & UI (Miklos)
+ test this with documents.

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 10 (+20,-21) issues
+ dynamic calc col change seems to cause these
  + back to where we started.
+ Crash testing:
  + 27(+21) import failure, 6(+5) export failures
 + jump 

Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Weghorn]

On 05/04/2019 11.06, Xisco Fauli wrote:
> Just to clarify,
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124039 ( listed
> already as Most Pressing Bug ) and the bug mentioned by Oliver have the
> same root cause. Jan-Marek closed one as duplicate of the other.

A big thanks to Mike Kaganski and Jan-Marek for looking into this and
their cooperation in providing a fix so quickly!



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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Xisco Fauli]

Hello,

Just to clarify,
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124039 ( listed
already as Most Pressing Bug ) and the bug mentioned by Oliver have the
same root cause. Jan-Marek closed one as duplicate of the other.

Regards

El 4/4/19 a les 18:12, Oliver Brinzing ha escrit:
> Hi,
>
>>  + 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 next week >  + Most pressing bugs:
> Could someone please take a look at issue
>
> crash: use of "com.sun.star.ui.dialogs.FolderPicker" service from java
> seems to cause crashes
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123502
>
> it affects windows 7/10 and is reproducible with LO 6.1.5.2 but not
> with LO 6.1.4.2.
>
> Regards
> Oliver
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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Oliver Brinzing]

Hi,


 + 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 next week >  + Most pressing bugs:

Could someone please take a look at issue

crash: use of "com.sun.star.ui.dialogs.FolderPicker" service from java seems to 
cause crashes
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123502

it affects windows 7/10 and is reproducible with LO 6.1.5.2 but not with LO 
6.1.4.2.

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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Michael M, Gabriel, Eduard A, Miklos,
  Heiko, Kendy, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, Michael S, Eike, Sophie,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Michael W

* Completed Action Items:
+ take a look at symbol / crashtest bits (Markus, Christian)
  [ server ran out of disk-space so couldn’t process them → now fixed ]
+ get Laurent Alonso commit access (Miklos)
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ seems like it is sorted ]
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  [ too late ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  [ also expired ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
[ done manually for now – should be done next week ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no release this week.
+ 6.2.3 rc1 available on mirrors
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – available next week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 next week
   + tagging Thur after 6.2.3
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Replacement icons now in gbuild (ohallot, buovjaga)
   + have a donation button in the help too now.
+ Help contents 2
   + Housekeeping and maintenance (ohallot, libreofficiant, A.Gelmini)
+ Google season of Code / Docs
   + registered TDF as organization (ohallot)
   + working on projects (ohallot djredaux)
   + would love suggestions for simple projects so 
 we can find tech. writers
   + “Easy-doc”.
   + not for students but for technical writers.
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides 
   + more updated on Calc Guide (J. Weber)  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 225(225) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 14(0) 31(1)   78(-1) 
 commented 47(-7)   175(9)497(55)1384(8)  
   removed  1(1)  6(1) 10(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  4(-4)21(-3)60(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 567 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 39 changes in 1 month, and 157 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 9 changes in 1 month, and 27 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Mar/28-Apr/04

* Sidebar Separator lines
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
* calc menubar: SheetCommentMenu should be in EditMenu instead of
  SheetMenu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124523
* LO request to enhancement: make the '?' sign workable in Help -> About
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124541
=> in discussion

* Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar
  in Tabbed interface
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
* FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
   ->   * 'Pick a Color' dialog: Give option to add a color to the custom
  palette
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124418
   ->   * Change case -> Sentence case doesn't honor selection; case of entire
  sentence changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49033
* Redundant undo/redo items in grouped compact bar
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124392
=> accepted/forwarded

   ->   * Change bullet styles names in Style section of Sidebar in Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124471
=> fixed today.

* toggeling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, UI
  unclear about this
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
* Unable to use keyboard navigation to 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Stephan, Caolan, Christian, Michael M, Gabriel, Eduard A, Miklos,
  Heiko, Kendy, Xisco, Sophie, Olivier, Michael S, Eike, Sophie,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Michael W

* Completed Action Items:
+ take a look at symbol / crashtest bits (Markus, Christian)
  [ server ran out of disk-space so couldn’t process them → now fixed ]
+ get Laurent Alonso commit access (Miklos)
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ seems like it is sorted ]
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  [ too late ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  [ also expired ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
[ done manually for now – should be done next week ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ no release this week.
+ 6.2.3 rc1 available on mirrors
+ 6.2.3 rc2 – available next week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 next week
   + tagging Thur after 6.2.3
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is published up to 6.0.4 – rest later today (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Replacement icons now in gbuild (ohallot, buovjaga)
   + have a donation button in the help too now.
+ Help contents 2
   + Housekeeping and maintenance (ohallot, libreofficiant, A.Gelmini)
+ Google season of Code / Docs
   + registered TDF as organization (ohallot)
   + working on projects (ohallot djredaux)
   + would love suggestions for simple projects so 
 we can find tech. writers
   + “Easy-doc”.
   + not for students but for technical writers.
   + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2019
+ Guides 
   + more updated on Calc Guide (J. Weber)  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
243(243) (topicUI) bugs open, 225(225) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(0) 14(0) 31(1)   78(-1) 
 commented 47(-7)   175(9)497(55)1384(8)  
   removed  1(1)  6(1) 10(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  4(-4)21(-3)60(1)  133(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 70 changes in 1 month, and 567 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 39 changes in 1 month, and 157 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 217 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 31 changes in 1 month, and 144 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 29 changes in 1 month, and 241 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 25 changes in 1 month, and 80 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 10 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 9 changes in 1 month, and 27 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  New needsUXEval between Mar/28-Apr/04

* Sidebar Separator lines
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
* calc menubar: SheetCommentMenu should be in EditMenu instead of
  SheetMenu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124523
* LO request to enhancement: make the '?' sign workable in Help -> About
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124541
=> in discussion

* Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar
  in Tabbed interface
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
* FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
   ->   * 'Pick a Color' dialog: Give option to add a color to the custom
  palette
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124418
   ->   * Change case -> Sentence case doesn't honor selection; case of entire
  sentence changes
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49033
* Redundant undo/redo items in grouped compact bar
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124392
=> accepted/forwarded

   ->   * Change bullet styles names in Style section of Sidebar in Writer
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124471
=> fixed today.

* toggeling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, UI
  unclear about this
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
* Unable to use keyboard navigation to 

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Markus

On 28/03/2019 17:53, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
> This one was caused by a missing symbol extraction after symbol upload.
> I could not find any reason in the log files that explains why the
> upload of the symbols would succeed but the unziping of the uploaded
> file would fail. As a result the symbol information for most of our own
> symbols were missing.

Most odd =) So - the zip file with symbols in it was ok - but the
unzipped thing was corrupt ?

> After a manual extraction I can see at least most of the libmerged
> symbols being resolved when I call minidump_stackwalk manually on the
> server. 

Out of interest were the corrupted symbols the right size and broken
content ? there are some other problems with storage in the TDF setup -
perhaps these are related (?)

> However, the mentioned symbol information issue still remains
> and in some cases where the top level stack frame is in a system library
> we still miss some resolved stack frames.

Thanks for fixing ! hopefully we'll get some more insight now.

ATB,

Michael.

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[Markus Mohrhard]

Hey Michael, all,

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 12:44 AM Michael Meeks 
wrote:

> Hi Markus,
>
> On 28/03/2019 16:13, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
> > so in general the fastest way to get some feedback might be to ping me
> > directly and give me some time to look into such issues. While I still
> > have quite bad internet and can't do any uploads of symbol information I
> > can still at least quickly inspect the problem.
>
> That would be wonderful ! =)
>


This one was caused by a missing symbol extraction after symbol upload. I
could not find any reason in the log files that explains why the upload of
the symbols would succeed but the unziping of the uploaded file would fail.
As a result the symbol information for most of our own symbols were missing.

After a manual extraction I can see at least most of the libmerged symbols
being resolved when I call minidump_stackwalk manually on the server.
However, the mentioned symbol information issue still remains and in some
cases where the top level stack frame is in a system library we still miss
some resolved stack frames.

Regards,
Markus


> > One general problem that we have is that we have no recent windows debug
> > symbol information. I tried to move that service from my local machine
> > to the server during the Munich hackfest but did not manage to replicate
> > my setup well enough that valid symbol information are generated. Sadly
> > this has some knock-on effects as can be seen by some of the unresolved
> > crash reports. At least on Windows getting a backtrace requires that
> > enough of the stack pointers can be guessed from the dumped stack. This
> > relies to some to degree on the system symbol informations.
>
> Interesting.
>
> > As soon as I have a non-mobile internet connection again I'll either run
> > a full set of system symbol download on my machine or finish the work on
> > moving that service to the server.
>
> Much appreciated ! our top crasher is (obviously) the one without
> any
> symbol information that lurks in libmerged currently ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael.
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Markus,

On 28/03/2019 16:13, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
> so in general the fastest way to get some feedback might be to ping me
> directly and give me some time to look into such issues. While I still
> have quite bad internet and can't do any uploads of symbol information I
> can still at least quickly inspect the problem.

That would be wonderful ! =)

> One general problem that we have is that we have no recent windows debug
> symbol information. I tried to move that service from my local machine
> to the server during the Munich hackfest but did not manage to replicate
> my setup well enough that valid symbol information are generated. Sadly
> this has some knock-on effects as can be seen by some of the unresolved
> crash reports. At least on Windows getting a backtrace requires that
> enough of the stack pointers can be guessed from the dumped stack. This
> relies to some to degree on the system symbol informations.

Interesting.

> As soon as I have a non-mobile internet connection again I'll either run
> a full set of system symbol download on my machine or finish the work on
> moving that service to the server.

Much appreciated ! our top crasher is (obviously) the one without any
symbol information that lurks in libmerged currently ;-)

Regards,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Markus Mohrhard]

Hey,


* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
>   + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
> + 837 (+46)
>   + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
> + 875 634 (+241)
>   + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
> + 1295 (+59)
>   + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
> + 1227 (+79)
>   + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
> + 724 (-)
>   + looks good for latest version, still have a symbol issue
>   + not a generic issue with all reports (Christian)
> + just a display issue – all on the same category
> + all current versions should be handled correctly.
> + when searching for crash reports in libmerged: plenty have
>   symbols resolved.
> + problem is 6.2.2.2 (Michael)
>
> http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/crash_details/49887f06-5a2e-49ad-baf0-9e542d00c08e
>+ 322 of these for 6.2.2.2 alone
>+ are these just the not-yet-processed ones ? (Miklos)
>   + as in those are from today.
>+ from the 25th first sampled: (Michael)
>
> http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/crash_details/f58d07b9-4e38-480a-b0a4-8f92a2a4170e
> AI:+ take a look at it (Christian)
>
>
so in general the fastest way to get some feedback might be to ping me
directly and give me some time to look into such issues. While I still have
quite bad internet and can't do any uploads of symbol information I can
still at least quickly inspect the problem.

One general problem that we have is that we have no recent windows debug
symbol information. I tried to move that service from my local machine to
the server during the Munich hackfest but did not manage to replicate my
setup well enough that valid symbol information are generated. Sadly this
has some knock-on effects as can be seen by some of the unresolved crash
reports. At least on Windows getting a backtrace requires that enough of
the stack pointers can be guessed from the dumped stack. This relies to
some to degree on the system symbol informations.

As soon as I have a non-mobile internet connection again I'll either run a
full set of system symbol download on my machine or finish the work on
moving that service to the server.

Regards,
Markus
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[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Miklos, Michael M, Michael W, Heiko, Kendy, Christian,
  Olivier, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:
+ commit access for Grzegorz Araminowicz (Miklos)
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
  [ keeping an eye on it ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ number to zero – so perhaps solved ? ]
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  + mentors much appreciated.

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging this evening.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 week after next.
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is being updated (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes support for IE11 (buovjaga, himajin10)
+ Added module name to Contents links (ohallot)
+ housekeeping (A. Gelmini)
+ Helpcontent2
+ No news
+ Guides
+ more chapters reviewed for Calc Guide
+ Ch 7 (ohallot)
+ Ch 2 (D. Barton)
+ Ch 6 (Jean Weber)
+ Need a new chapter for Calc Statistics
+ anyone interested?

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 226(226) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 14(0) 30(3)   79(1)  
 commented 54(-3)   166(-9)   442(20)1376(-7) 
   removed  0(-1) 5(-1) 9(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  8(0) 24(5) 59(8)  132(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 73 changes in 1 month, and 558 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 36 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 26 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 25 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 20 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 12 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between Mar/20-28

   * Sidebar Separator lines
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
 => in discussion

   * Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar 
 in Tabbed interface
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
   * FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
 => accepted/forwarded

   * toggling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, 
 UI unclear about this
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
   * Unable to use keyboard navigation to access Brochure radio button 
 in Print dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124249
 => WFM, NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(-2) export failures
  + suspect export failures are transient / intermittent.
+ coverity suspended – until it supports c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + build got broken there, fixed now again
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  + ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 837 (+46)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 875 634 (+241)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1295 (+59)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1227 (+79)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 724 (-)
  + looks good for latest version, still have a symbol issue
  + not a generic issue with all reports (Christian)
+ just a display issue – all on the same category
+ all current versions should be handled correctly.
+ when searching for crash reports in libmerged: plenty have
  symbols resolved.
+ problem is 6.2.2.2 (Michael)

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Miklos, Michael M, Michael W, Heiko, Kendy, Christian,
  Olivier, Xisco

* Completed Action Items:
+ commit access for Grzegorz Araminowicz (Miklos)
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
  [ keeping an eye on it ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ talk to Tor / Nicolas if avoiding UNCONFIRMED for iOS makes sense (Miklos)
  [ number to zero – so perhaps solved ? ]
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ looking for mentor for idea “Calc Functions Sidebar” (Heiko)
  + 
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-March/082315.html
  + mentors much appreciated.

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging this evening.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 week after next.
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is being updated (Christian)
+ Online:

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Fixes support for IE11 (buovjaga, himajin10)
+ Added module name to Contents links (ohallot)
+ housekeeping (A. Gelmini)
+ Helpcontent2
+ No news
+ Guides
+ more chapters reviewed for Calc Guide
+ Ch 7 (ohallot)
+ Ch 2 (D. Barton)
+ Ch 6 (Jean Weber)
+ Need a new chapter for Calc Statistics
+ anyone interested?

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
246(246) (topicUI) bugs open, 226(226) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  5(1) 14(0) 30(3)   79(1)  
 commented 54(-3)   166(-9)   442(20)1376(-7) 
   removed  0(-1) 5(-1) 9(1)   20(0)  
  resolved  8(0) 24(5) 59(8)  132(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 73 changes in 1 month, and 558 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 36 changes in 1 month, and 254 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 26 changes in 1 month, and 145 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 25 changes in 1 month, and 133 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 23 changes in 1 month, and 206 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 20 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 13 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  Jim Raykowski made 12 changes in 1 month, and 30 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 21 changes in 1 year
  Alexander Farrow made 8 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year

+ New needsUXEval between Mar/20-28

   * Sidebar Separator lines
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124376
 => in discussion

   * Tabbed: Missing Some Required Functions from Previous Pop Up Toolbar 
 in Tabbed interface
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122751
   * FRAME-DIALOG: Add an apply button
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124278
 => accepted/forwarded

   * toggling settings - e.g. threaded calculations - need restart, 
 UI unclear about this
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124323
   * Unable to use keyboard navigation to access Brochure radio button 
 in Print dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124249
 => WFM, NAB

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 2(+0) import failure, 0(-2) export failures
  + suspect export failures are transient / intermittent.
+ coverity suspended – until it supports c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + build got broken there, fixed now again
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
  + ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA bits – got 1st batch of CVE numbers.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 837 (+46)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 875 634 (+241)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1295 (+59)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1227 (+79)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.2.2
+ 724 (-)
  + looks good for latest version, still have a symbol issue
  + not a generic issue with all reports (Christian)
+ just a display issue – all on the same category
+ all current versions should be handled correctly.
+ when searching for crash reports in libmerged: plenty have
  symbols resolved.
+ problem is 6.2.2.2 (Michael)

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Stephan, Xisco, Eduard A, Michael W, Gabriel, Miklos, Caolan, 
Olivier, Sophie, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ create Paris hack-fest wiki page (Sophie)

* Pending Action Items:
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Eduard A Intro:
+ Interested in Online, from 1&1
+ first commits are already coming
+ welcome (all)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2.2 rc2 status → announced
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging next week
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is not up-to-date, working on it. (Christian)
+ Online: Andras tagged the 6.2.2.2

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help:
  + Improvements in donation button (buovjaga)
  + Backported to 6.2 (ohallot)
+ Help Contents 2
  + More pages on undocumented Basic (ohallot)
  + Housekeeping on Help pages (M. Robbinson, A Timar)
  + Pages on Hyperlink dialog (Shubham Goyal)
+ Guides.
   + team ramping up in update of Calc Guide 6.x

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added  4(0) 14(1) 27(0)   78(-7)
 commented 57(12)   175(20)   422(7) 1383(-24)
   removed  1(-1) 6(1)  8(-1)  20(1)
  resolved  8(4) 19(3) 51(2)  128(0)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 111 changes in 1 month, and 592 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 41 changes in 1 month, and 71 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 35 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 256 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 15 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 109 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 8 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval

   * tabbed toolbar notebookbarshortcuts.xml vertical center align
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123292
 => accepted

   * VIEWING zoom 100% really 91%
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123969
 => NAB

   * FORMCONTROLS: Add "bottom" or "underline" as border option
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124189
   * ImageMap to Tools menubar
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124198
   * TABLE: Difference between default style as template and default style
 as style is not clear
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124206
=> in discussion

 + New easyhacks
   * Place focus on header/footer frame menu button when header/footer
 is empty
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124041
 + has code pointers

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 3(+0) import failure, 2(+0) export failures
+ coverity suspended
  - back but we now need c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 Build Failure
  + need to find time to look at these
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA process
+ First block of 10 assigned

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 791 (-121)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 634 656 (-22)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1236 (-262)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1148 (+75)
  + numbers looking good – but have a problem where we get dynamic libs
instead of crash signatures.
 + not informative: ‘libmergedlo.dll’ is all we get.
 + unclear what happens there.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps (Xisco)
  + April 25th/28th → overlaps Orthodox Easter
 => so will not be these days.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
 

Minutes of ESC call

[Miklos Vajna]

* Present:
+ Heiko, Stephan, Xisco, Eduard A, Michael W, Gabriel, Miklos, Caolan, 
Olivier, Sophie, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ create Paris hack-fest wiki page (Sophie)

* Pending Action Items:
+ next time we see write_tests5 fail - chop out that sub-test (Miklos)
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Eduard A Intro:
+ Interested in Online, from 1&1
+ first commits are already coming
+ welcome (all)

* Release Engineering update (Xisco)
+ 6.2.2 rc2 status → announced
+ 6.2.3 rc1 → tagging next week
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes → no updates
+ Android viewer
   + Maven repo is not up-to-date, working on it. (Christian)
+ Online: Andras tagged the 6.2.2.2

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help:
  + Improvements in donation button (buovjaga)
  + Backported to 6.2 (ohallot)
+ Help Contents 2
  + More pages on undocumented Basic (ohallot)
  + Housekeeping on Help pages (M. Robbinson, A Timar)
  + Pages on Hyperlink dialog (Shubham Goyal)
+ Guides.
   + team ramping up in update of Calc Guide 6.x

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
249(249) (topicUI) bugs open, 224(224) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months
 added  4(0) 14(1) 27(0)   78(-7)
 commented 57(12)   175(20)   422(7) 1383(-24)
   removed  1(-1) 6(1)  8(-1)  20(1)
  resolved  8(4) 19(3) 51(2)  128(0)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 111 changes in 1 month, and 592 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 41 changes in 1 month, and 71 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 35 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 32 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 256 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 15 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 9 changes in 1 month, and 109 changes in 1 year
  和尚蟹 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 8 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval

   * tabbed toolbar notebookbarshortcuts.xml vertical center align
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123292
 => accepted

   * VIEWING zoom 100% really 91%
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123969
 => NAB

   * FORMCONTROLS: Add "bottom" or "underline" as border option
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124189
   * ImageMap to Tools menubar
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124198
   * TABLE: Difference between default style as template and default style
 as style is not clear
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124206
=> in discussion

 + New easyhacks
   * Place focus on header/footer frame menu button when header/footer
 is empty
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124041
 + has code pointers

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 3(+0) import failure, 2(+0) export failures
+ coverity suspended
  - back but we now need c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+0) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 Build Failure
  + need to find time to look at these
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ ?? a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA process
+ First block of 10 assigned

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 791 (-121)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 634 656 (-22)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1236 (-262)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1148 (+75)
  + numbers looking good – but have a problem where we get dynamic libs
instead of crash signatures.
 + not informative: ‘libmergedlo.dll’ is all we get.
 + unclear what happens there.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps (Xisco)
  + April 25th/28th → overlaps Orthodox Easter
 => so will not be these days.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Olivier, Heiko, Michael M, Kendy, Michael W,
  Miklos, Christian, Eike, Xisco, Sophie,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + this week – will tag today/tomorrow
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date, working on it.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Improvements in donation button for online Help (buovjaga)

+ Help Contents 2
   + Updates in pages, fixes (ohallot, S. Goyal, LibreOfficiant)

+ Guides
   + New volunteers arriving

+ Google Summer of Documentation
   + looking into how to participate  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 236(236) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(2) 13(1) 27(-2)  85(-2) 
 commented 45(22)   155(28)   415(14)1407(-1) 
   removed  2(2)  5(2)  9(2)   19(2)  
  resolved  4(-2)16(0) 49(2)  128(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 103 changes in 1 month, and 602 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 42 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 36 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 26 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 17 changes in 1 month, and 299 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 15 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 12 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 9 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 9 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Mar/06-14
  * highlights to copy blocks will not go disappear after operation is done
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123799
  * Paste into a protected Calc sheet should not paste the cell 
Protected status
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123974
  * alt key should open and highlight menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124048
  * Maybe place focus on header/footer frame menu button when 
header/footer is empty
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124041
  => in discussion

  * Code insertion in LibreOffice Writer
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124070
  => WF

  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
  => NEW

+ New easyhacks
  * UI: lock toolbar by default
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92484
  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
   
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(-6) import failure, 1(-1) export failures
  + apparently all redlining issues are sorted out
  + close to the noise area again
+ coverity suspended
  - back but we now need c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+1) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 Build Failure
  + need to find time to look at these
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 912 (-283)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 656 (-63)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1498 (-1034)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1073 (-)
  + numbers looking good – but have a problem where we get dynamic libs
instead of crash signatures.
 + not informative: ‘libmergedlo.dll’ is all we get.
 + unclear what happens there.

* Hackfests & Events
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps (Xisco)
  + April 25th/28th → overlaps Orthodox Easter
 => so will not be these days.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
 + date is still not 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Caolan, Olivier, Heiko, Michael M, Kendy, Michael W,
  Miklos, Christian, Eike, Xisco, Sophie,

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
  [ not applied yet, but monitoring jenkins build slaves due to
connectivity issues at Manitu ]
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + this week – will tag today/tomorrow
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date, working on it.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
   + Improvements in donation button for online Help (buovjaga)

+ Help Contents 2
   + Updates in pages, fixes (ohallot, S. Goyal, LibreOfficiant)

+ Guides
   + New volunteers arriving

+ Google Summer of Documentation
   + looking into how to participate  

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
251(251) (topicUI) bugs open, 236(236) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  4(2) 13(1) 27(-2)  85(-2) 
 commented 45(22)   155(28)   415(14)1407(-1) 
   removed  2(2)  5(2)  9(2)   19(2)  
  resolved  4(-2)16(0) 49(2)  128(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 103 changes in 1 month, and 602 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 42 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 36 changes in 1 month, and 153 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 26 changes in 1 month, and 202 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 17 changes in 1 month, and 299 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 15 changes in 1 month, and 250 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 12 changes in 1 month, and 119 changes in 1 year
  Brinzing, Oliver made 9 changes in 1 month, and 15 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 9 changes in 1 month, and 87 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 7 changes in 1 month, and 155 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Mar/06-14
  * highlights to copy blocks will not go disappear after operation is done
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123799
  * Paste into a protected Calc sheet should not paste the cell 
Protected status
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123974
  * alt key should open and highlight menubar
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124048
  * Maybe place focus on header/footer frame menu button when 
header/footer is empty
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124041
  => in discussion

  * Code insertion in LibreOffice Writer
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124070
  => WF

  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
  => NEW

+ New easyhacks
  * UI: lock toolbar by default
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92484
  * Allow user-defined ordering of user-defined document properties
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123918
   
* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(-6) import failure, 1(-1) export failures
  + apparently all redlining issues are sorted out
  + close to the noise area again
+ coverity suspended
  - back but we now need c++17
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 12 (+1) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 Build Failure
  + need to find time to look at these
  + some deep stack issue.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ a few minor issues lingering
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 912 (-283)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 656 (-63)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 1498 (-1034)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.1.2
+ 1073 (-)
  + numbers looking good – but have a problem where we get dynamic libs
instead of crash signatures.
 + not informative: ‘libmergedlo.dll’ is all we get.
 + unclear what happens there.

* Hackfests & Events
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps (Xisco)
  + April 25th/28th → overlaps Orthodox Easter
 => so will not be these days.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
 + date is still not 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael M, Christian, Eike, Caolan, Heiko,
  Michael W, Sophie, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + released as final yesterday
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + pushed to mirror network the same day.
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + next week – will tag towards end of the week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date will fix this week.
+ Online
   + 6.2.1 source release out. 

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Some XSLT optimizations (ohallot)
 + Improvements in build robustness (part) (sberg)
 + Helpcontent2
 + Addressing menus changes for Impress/Draw (buovjaga)
 + Nomenclature changes (kompilainen)
 + Add release info for Calc fucntions (ohallot)
 + other improvements (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + resuming Calc guides review wiki page (T.Thibodeaux) 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 240(240) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4) 12(-5)29(-7)  87(-11)
 commented 23(-32)   127(-8)   401(-27)   1408(-32)
   removed  0(-3)  3(0)  7(0)   17(-1) 
  resolved  6(4)  16(2) 47(3)  127(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 74 changes in 1 month, and 575 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 32 changes in 1 month, and 71 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 24 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 23 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 14 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 12 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 11 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 159 changes in 1 year

 + new tickets
   + zarro
   + is that because Xisco hands them to you normally ? (Michael)
   + probably – he’s on vacation (Heiko)
  + or it is far too usable already  

 + easyhacks
   + Make shortcuts extensionizable
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123768

 + ack request
   + Remove access to Firefox Persona in favor of self-hosted extensions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123831
 + Moz changes API continuously – want themes of our own etc.
   => remove & ideally switch to new extensions

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 7(+6) import failure, 2(-2) export failures
  - mst has additional fixes which will probably fix the last of the
red-lines in next build
  – but new asserts/crashes have emerged
- interesting new asserts ? Or what triggers them ?  
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 11 (+3) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + found other one – but not really serious.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ still some issues outstanding
– layout issues with additional asserts in ordinary docs.
- unclear if this is the original reason, or something new.
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 905 (-134)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1195 (-65)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 719 (+275)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 2532 (+718)
  + lots more issues on fresh:
+ Hike in the download numbers recently
+ not entirely clear where it comes from; nothing interesting.
+ mostly from Spain, .cz, Poland, distributed etc.
+ people are using LibreOffice more often it seems → crash rate.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps
  + April 25th April 28th → Easter variously.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
+ Paris in Summer
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael M, Christian, Eike, Caolan, Heiko,
  Michael W, Sophie, Michael S, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:

* Pending Action Items:
+ add monitoring for build bot daily failure rates (Christian)
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + released as final yesterday
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + pushed to mirror network the same day.
+ 6.2.2 rc2
   + next week – will tag towards end of the week.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
   + Mavern repo is not up-to-date will fix this week.
+ Online
   + 6.2.1 source release out. 

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Some XSLT optimizations (ohallot)
 + Improvements in build robustness (part) (sberg)
 + Helpcontent2
 + Addressing menus changes for Impress/Draw (buovjaga)
 + Nomenclature changes (kompilainen)
 + Add release info for Calc fucntions (ohallot)
 + other improvements (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + resuming Calc guides review wiki page (T.Thibodeaux) 

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 240(240) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  2(-4) 12(-5)29(-7)  87(-11)
 commented 23(-32)   127(-8)   401(-27)   1408(-32)
   removed  0(-3)  3(0)  7(0)   17(-1) 
  resolved  6(4)  16(2) 47(3)  127(3)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 74 changes in 1 month, and 575 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 32 changes in 1 month, and 71 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 24 changes in 1 month, and 149 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 210 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 23 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 326 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 14 changes in 1 month, and 265 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 12 changes in 1 month, and 58 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 11 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 10 changes in 1 month, and 159 changes in 1 year

 + new tickets
   + zarro
   + is that because Xisco hands them to you normally ? (Michael)
   + probably – he’s on vacation (Heiko)
  + or it is far too usable already  

 + easyhacks
   + Make shortcuts extensionizable
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123768

 + ack request
   + Remove access to Firefox Persona in favor of self-hosted extensions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123831
 + Moz changes API continuously – want themes of our own etc.
   => remove & ideally switch to new extensions

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 7(+6) import failure, 2(-2) export failures
  - mst has additional fixes which will probably fix the last of the
red-lines in next build
  – but new asserts/crashes have emerged
- interesting new asserts ? Or what triggers them ?  
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 11 (+3) issues, 9 timeouts, 1 OOM
  + found other one – but not really serious.
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ still some issues outstanding
– layout issues with additional asserts in ordinary docs.
- unclear if this is the original reason, or something new.
+ CNA process
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 905 (-134)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1195 (-65)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 719 (+275)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.2.0.3
+ 2532 (+718)
  + lots more issues on fresh:
+ Hike in the download numbers recently
+ not entirely clear where it comes from; nothing interesting.
+ mostly from Spain, .cz, Poland, distributed etc.
+ people are using LibreOffice more often it seems → crash rate.

* Hackfests & Events (Thorsten)
   + this year hackfests coming up:
+ Tirana perhaps
  + April 25th April 28th → Easter variously.
  + May 4th / 5th  → conflict with German meetings
  + https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
  + poke Bjoern / Eike / Xisco to chase / decide…
+ Paris in Summer
  + first week of July Fri/Sat 5th / 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier,Sophie, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Michael S, Michael M
  Christian, Caolan, Miklos, Thorsten, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  + not done → abandoning for now.

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + delayed a little – some external library fixes 
   + on mirrors now and ready to be distributed.
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + tagging it this weekend sometime.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + pages CSS tweaks (fitoshido)
 + improvements in build robustness (sberg)
 + updates XLST

+ Helpcontent2
 + updates in contents (libreofficiant, ohallot, fitoshido, Mark
   Robbinson, Mike Kaganski, A Gelmini)
 + Most screenshot are currently useless (tdf#123765)
  + dialogs with tabs are collapsed – missing other tabs
  + can’t use the images.   

+ Help editor
 + Investigating the integration of editor with gerrit
 + lots of work to do here.

+ Guide books
+ Team is growing with arrival of US based volunteers
+ willing new contributors here - shifted meeting for them

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 257(257) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-1)17(0) 36(-1)  98(1)  
 commented 55(19)   135(-3)   428(17)1440(15) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(0)   18(4)  
  resolved  2(-2)14(-6)44(2)  124(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 83 changes in 1 month, and 586 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 30 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 152 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 221 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 163 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 18 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 17 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 112 changes in 1 year

  + New needsUXEval between Feb/21-28

* Envelope dialog: Make dialog more a11y friendly
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107625
=> New

* Proposal of Enhancement for Writer / Table of Contents, Index or
  Bibliography
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123673
* Proposed Scale Tool feature
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123713
=> WFM

  + New proposed easyhacks – help with code pointers appreciated. 

* Disable "Close Bezier" when multiple objects are selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90373
* Cartesian System
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120582
* Reorganizing “Border” tab on “Format Cells” window in Calc
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100548
* add "coil" to draw basic shape menu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50998
* Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - no change: redline-related (?)
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 8 issues, 7 timeouts, 1 OOM 
  - down one from last week
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ had a run, but did not get any new ones; probably fixed
+ CVE issues
+ will be able to handle CVE’s ourselves (Caolán)
+ CNA process
+ asked in the meeting wrt. stupid stuff in the past
   + all not expected
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco, Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 1064 1039 (-25)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1478 1260 (-218)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 382 444 (+62)
  + 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier,Sophie, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Michael S, Michael M
  Christian, Caolan, Miklos, Thorsten, 

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  + not done → abandoning for now.

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
   + delayed a little – some external library fixes 
   + on mirrors now and ready to be distributed.
+ 6.2.2 rc1
   + tagging it this weekend sometime.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + pages CSS tweaks (fitoshido)
 + improvements in build robustness (sberg)
 + updates XLST

+ Helpcontent2
 + updates in contents (libreofficiant, ohallot, fitoshido, Mark
   Robbinson, Mike Kaganski, A Gelmini)
 + Most screenshot are currently useless (tdf#123765)
  + dialogs with tabs are collapsed – missing other tabs
  + can’t use the images.   

+ Help editor
 + Investigating the integration of editor with gerrit
 + lots of work to do here.

+ Guide books
+ Team is growing with arrival of US based volunteers
+ willing new contributors here - shifted meeting for them

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
254(254) (topicUI) bugs open, 257(257) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  6(-1)17(0) 36(-1)  98(1)  
 commented 55(19)   135(-3)   428(17)1440(15) 
   removed  3(3)  3(3)  7(0)   18(4)  
  resolved  2(-2)14(-6)44(2)  124(2)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 83 changes in 1 month, and 586 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 36 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Mehrbrodt, Samuel made 30 changes in 1 month, and 73 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 27 changes in 1 month, and 152 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 24 changes in 1 month, and 221 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 18 changes in 1 month, and 163 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 18 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 17 changes in 1 month, and 290 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 15 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 10 changes in 1 month, and 112 changes in 1 year

  + New needsUXEval between Feb/21-28

* Envelope dialog: Make dialog more a11y friendly
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107625
=> New

* Proposal of Enhancement for Writer / Table of Contents, Index or
  Bibliography
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123673
* Proposed Scale Tool feature
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123713
=> WFM

  + New proposed easyhacks – help with code pointers appreciated. 

* Disable "Close Bezier" when multiple objects are selected
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90373
* Cartesian System
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120582
* Reorganizing “Border” tab on “Format Cells” window in Calc
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100548
* add "coil" to draw basic shape menu
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50998
* Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560


* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - no change: redline-related (?)
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
+ Google / ossfuzz:
  - 8 issues, 7 timeouts, 1 OOM 
  - down one from last week
+ ForcePoint, round 9
+ had a run, but did not get any new ones; probably fixed
+ CVE issues
+ will be able to handle CVE’s ourselves (Caolán)
+ CNA process
+ asked in the meeting wrt. stupid stuff in the past
   + all not expected
+ positive progress.

* Crash Reporting (Xisco, Heiko)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.3.2
+ 1064 1039 (-25)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.4.2
+ 1478 1260 (-218)
  + http://crashreport.libreoffice.org/stats/version/6.1.5.2
+ 382 444 (+62)
  + 

Minutes of ESC call: 2019-02-21

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
+ Eike, Thorsten, Kendy, Sophie, Miklos, Gabriel, Heiko, Christian,
  Michael W., Michael S., Caolán, Stephan, Heiko, Olivier 

* Completed Action Items:
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
  [ Olivier will poke Kendy when needed  ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  [ sent some code pointers ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
  + due this week, not tagged yet
  + Will tag later today or tomorrow. 
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
   + The plan is in the wiki now
   + hard freeze: July; feature freeze end of May
   + UI + string freeze in between - June (Cloph)
   + if distros have special needs, please let Cloph know
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Fixes in logic for main help entry (olivier)
 + fix in Help build (sberg)
 + Fix of Help button (Caolán)   
 + CSS improvements (fistoshido)
+ Helpcontents2
 + More pages in python (libreofficiant)
 + upgrades in pages (olivier, kompilainen, buovjaga)

+ Guides
 + Migration to NextCloud + LOOL
 + Resuming update of Calc book
 + new team members
 + welcome! :-) - from the US
 + considering updating the meeting time to fit the Americas better

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 266(266) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  7(-3) 17(-5) 37(-6)  97(-5) 
 commented 36(-15)   138(-38)   411(-11)   1425(-15)
   removed  0(0)   0(-2)  7(-2)  14(-1) 
  resolved  4(-1) 20(-3) 42(0)  122(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 550 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 31 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 170 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 304 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 27 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 27 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 16 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  BogdanB made 12 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Alex ARNAUD made 10 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Feb/14-21

 * Windows 10 Notebookbar doesn't display personalized themes
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123254
 => dup

 * Setting a Hyperlink to a Bookmark in a W-Document should Become Easier
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123514
 * Should be possible to customise menu/toolbars delivered with an extension
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123590
 ->  * New wizard for filling bank checks
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123599
 => in discussion

 * Accessibility: No keyboard shortcut to open a HYPERLINK in Calc cells
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123159
 * Sidebar content panel title's "more optns" btn not accessible w shift tab
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102140
 ->  * I Want an Acoustic plus an Optical Signal when Wrap Around happens when 
   Searching or Searching and Replacing
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123565
 => new
   + could we use the Beep() similar to what is in BASIC? (Miklos)
   + not really, the ideal would be to use the system sounds + system
 settings

 ->  * Allow User to Select External Image Editing Tool
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51096
 ->  * Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560
 ->  * NAVIGATOR, "copy outline to clipboard" should be avail in context menu
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123395
 => easyhack/needsdeveval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - redline-relate 
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2019-02-21

[Jan Holesovsky]

* Present:
+ Eike, Thorsten, Kendy, Sophie, Miklos, Gabriel, Heiko, Christian,
  Michael W., Michael S., Caolán, Stephan, Heiko, Olivier 

* Completed Action Items:
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
  [ Olivier will poke Kendy when needed  ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
  + deadline: early next week   
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  [ sent some code pointers ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc2 status
  + due this week, not tagged yet
  + Will tag later today or tomorrow. 
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9 
+ 6.3 alpha1: early May
   + The plan is in the wiki now
   + hard freeze: July; feature freeze end of May
   + UI + string freeze in between - June (Cloph)
   + if distros have special needs, please let Cloph know
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + Fixes in logic for main help entry (olivier)
 + fix in Help build (sberg)
 + Fix of Help button (Caolán)   
 + CSS improvements (fistoshido)
+ Helpcontents2
 + More pages in python (libreofficiant)
 + upgrades in pages (olivier, kompilainen, buovjaga)

+ Guides
 + Migration to NextCloud + LOOL
 + Resuming update of Calc book
 + new team members
 + welcome! :-) - from the US
 + considering updating the meeting time to fit the Americas better

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 266(266) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  7(-3) 17(-5) 37(-6)  97(-5) 
 commented 36(-15)   138(-38)   411(-11)   1425(-15)
   removed  0(0)   0(-2)  7(-2)  14(-1) 
  resolved  4(-1) 20(-3) 42(0)  122(0)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 52 changes in 1 month, and 550 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 31 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 30 changes in 1 month, and 170 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 304 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 27 changes in 1 month, and 147 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 27 changes in 1 month, and 110 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 21 changes in 1 month, and 222 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 16 changes in 1 month, and 67 changes in 1 year
  BogdanB made 12 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 1 year
  Alex ARNAUD made 10 changes in 1 month, and 17 changes in 1 year

   New needsUXEval between Feb/14-21

 * Windows 10 Notebookbar doesn't display personalized themes
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123254
 => dup

 * Setting a Hyperlink to a Bookmark in a W-Document should Become Easier
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123514
 * Should be possible to customise menu/toolbars delivered with an extension
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123590
 ->  * New wizard for filling bank checks
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123599
 => in discussion

 * Accessibility: No keyboard shortcut to open a HYPERLINK in Calc cells
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123159
 * Sidebar content panel title's "more optns" btn not accessible w shift tab
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102140
 ->  * I Want an Acoustic plus an Optical Signal when Wrap Around happens when 
   Searching or Searching and Replacing
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123565
 => new
   + could we use the Beep() similar to what is in BASIC? (Miklos)
   + not really, the ideal would be to use the system sounds + system
 settings

 ->  * Allow User to Select External Image Editing Tool
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51096
 ->  * Add opportunity to open Autofilter window uses shortcut
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123560
 ->  * NAVIGATOR, "copy outline to clipboard" should be avail in context menu
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123395
 => easyhack/needsdeveval

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1(+0) import failure, 4(+0) export failures
  - redline-relate 
+ coverity issues
  - coverity is back up
  - but we now need c++17, which isn’t working yet
  - asked coverity, and “new version will be deployed in the coming few
months”
 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Christian, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie
  Xisco, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke OpenLabs for a hackfest room in Tirana (Xisco)
[ posted to their forum:
https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
no response in a week, do we have interest ? ]
+ poke Rene before bumping to Java 1.6 baseline (Thorsten)
  [ all happy in gerritpatch merged ]
+ add commit access for Aleksei from basealt (Thorsten)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Cloph)
  [ will use same process as for the remote
will convert XML files to po for translators]  
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ Japanese is disabled manually for now to get the stats ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
  [ best to connection IRC to remind Kendy ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc1 status
  + tagged, up on mirrors but not made public yet.
  + rc2: Feb 19 – next week; as planned.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
  + a bit further out.
+ 6.3 release schedule updated in the wiki
  + early April we have the 1st Alpha.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + stuck on this during testing … release this week.
  + recently started on Online / iOS approach (Kendy)
 + committing bits, noticed that currently using 14 as min SDK ver.
 + this is very low; anything with an SDK14 device – can’t run it.
 + even for NDK need Android 16 (Christian)
 + is it ok to bump it to 21 eg. ? (Kendy)
+ 16 would be ok – already there (Christian)
   + 16 is ok.
 + committing to master, hope we don’t break normal build
 + Q for GSOC (Thorsten)
+ long-term maintain in parallel ?
+ would like to kill Fennec / Java monster (Michael)
+ is it in a state where GSOC can work ? (Thorsten)
   + asked student to talk to Gulsha (Michael)
+ ATM – depends how far we get with iOS version (Kendy)
   + lets see next ESC.
   + not worth pointing at the old code, lacks features
+ if moving too fast – perhaps not GSOC at it ? (Christian)
   + de-couples mobile-UI from mobile quite nicely (Kendy)
 + easier for students to develop.
 + new approach, Android Studio is much nicer.
+ does anyone feel particularly strongly wrt. Java ver ? (Thorsten)
   + if didn’t have Moz gecko stuff – rather stick with Android (Cloph)
  + fear is a version that doesn’t follow
Android semantics / usability
   + Tomaz & Miklos co-mentored Mert last year (Miklos)
  + everyone happy to see this.
   + trying to do it so both apps continue to work for now (Kendy)
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fix glitch in 6.2 online version (ohallot).
+ not working on Mac (Xisco)
   + patch in gerrit. 
+ Help contents
+ Fixes in pages (vmiklos, fitoshido) 
+ New pages on python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ resuming activities after FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 268(268) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(4) 22(6) 43(0)  102(6)  
 commented 51(24)   176(-6)   422(-5)1440(25) 
   removed  0(0)  2(0)  9(-2)  15(0)  
  resolved  5(4) 23(-4)42(3)  122(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 99 changes in 1 month, and 570 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 40 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 37 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 302 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 22 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 207 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 346 changes in 1 year
  BogdanB made 18 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Feb/06-14

* Menubar -> File -> Versions, save group combine

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks via LibreOffice]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Michael S, Caolan, Michael M, Christian, Kendy, Miklos, Sophie
  Xisco, Eike, Stephan, Michael W, Heiko, Thorsten

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke OpenLabs for a hackfest room in Tirana (Xisco)
[ posted to their forum:
https://forum.openlabs.cc/t/libreoffice-hackfest-tirana-2019/1658
no response in a week, do we have interest ? ]
+ poke Rene before bumping to Java 1.6 baseline (Thorsten)
  [ all happy in gerritpatch merged ]
+ add commit access for Aleksei from basealt (Thorsten)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Cloph)
  [ will use same process as for the remote
will convert XML files to po for translators]  
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Cloph)
  [ Japanese is disabled manually for now to get the stats ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ review/update GSOC ideas page! (Mentors)
  + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
+ disable popups for development-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123270
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
  [ best to connection IRC to remind Kendy ] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2.1 rc1 status
  + tagged, up on mirrors but not made public yet.
  + rc2: Feb 19 – next week; as planned.
+ 6.1.6 rc1: April 9
  + a bit further out.
+ 6.3 release schedule updated in the wiki
  + early April we have the 1st Alpha.
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + stuck on this during testing … release this week.
  + recently started on Online / iOS approach (Kendy)
 + committing bits, noticed that currently using 14 as min SDK ver.
 + this is very low; anything with an SDK14 device – can’t run it.
 + even for NDK need Android 16 (Christian)
 + is it ok to bump it to 21 eg. ? (Kendy)
+ 16 would be ok – already there (Christian)
   + 16 is ok.
 + committing to master, hope we don’t break normal build
 + Q for GSOC (Thorsten)
+ long-term maintain in parallel ?
+ would like to kill Fennec / Java monster (Michael)
+ is it in a state where GSOC can work ? (Thorsten)
   + asked student to talk to Gulsha (Michael)
+ ATM – depends how far we get with iOS version (Kendy)
   + lets see next ESC.
   + not worth pointing at the old code, lacks features
+ if moving too fast – perhaps not GSOC at it ? (Christian)
   + de-couples mobile-UI from mobile quite nicely (Kendy)
 + easier for students to develop.
 + new approach, Android Studio is much nicer.
+ does anyone feel particularly strongly wrt. Java ver ? (Thorsten)
   + if didn’t have Moz gecko stuff – rather stick with Android (Cloph)
  + fear is a version that doesn’t follow
Android semantics / usability
   + Tomaz & Miklos co-mentored Mert last year (Miklos)
  + everyone happy to see this.
   + trying to do it so both apps continue to work for now (Kendy)
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ fix glitch in 6.2 online version (ohallot).
+ not working on Mac (Xisco)
   + patch in gerrit. 
+ Help contents
+ Fixes in pages (vmiklos, fitoshido) 
+ New pages on python (libreofficiant, ohallot)
+ Guides
+ resuming activities after FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 268(268) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(4) 22(6) 43(0)  102(6)  
 commented 51(24)   176(-6)   422(-5)1440(25) 
   removed  0(0)  2(0)  9(-2)  15(0)  
  resolved  5(4) 23(-4)42(3)  122(1)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 99 changes in 1 month, and 570 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 40 changes in 1 month, and 113 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 38 changes in 1 month, and 103 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 37 changes in 1 month, and 175 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 33 changes in 1 month, and 302 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 140 changes in 1 year
  Telesto made 22 changes in 1 month, and 69 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 22 changes in 1 month, and 207 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 19 changes in 1 month, and 346 changes in 1 year
  BogdanB made 18 changes in 1 month, and 33 changes in 1 year
+ New needsUXEval between Feb/06-14

* Menubar -> File -> Versions, save group combine

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Eike, Caolan, Michael M, Stephan, Christian, Miklos, Thorsten,
  Michael S, Xisco, Aditya, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Showroom, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ PVS Stdio
  [ MikeK plodding through remaining issues & will ask for re-trigger ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ]
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC2 status
  + tagging next week, final release announce with 6.2 final after FOSDEM
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagged, need to re-build windows source checkout.
  + mac build is up-loaded,afterbuildwill up-load Linux
  + marketing put announcement back until after FOSDEM   
  + people want to be at home and react properly  
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + tweak in Search box (buovjaga) 
+ Helpcontent2
 + Several pages for Python + Basic Programming (A. Romedenne, ohallot)
 + Typos and cleanups (A Gelmini, A. Barrientos)
 + Graphics updates to svg (Mark Robbinson) 
+ Guides
 + Calc guide updates 
+ Prep for FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 270(270) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2) 12(0) 49(-2)  97(-3) 
 commented 71(25)   158(30)   437(20)1451(2)  
   removed  1(0)  2(1) 11(1)   15(0)  
  resolved  8(-3)23(3) 38(5)  119(6)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 556 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 47 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 285 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 26 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 
1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 12 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

  * New needsUXEval between Jan/17-24

 * notebookbar tabbed switch with keyboard shortcut to different tab
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121586
=> NAB
   
 * Shortcuts for shapes in Draw/Impress
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122928

 * Add shortcut keys / hotkeys to set zoom level?
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82679

 * When opening the navigator, the caret is no longer positioned on the list
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122900
   => unconfirmed/in discussion
   
 * Custom Shortcut not working properly on OSX
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122391
   => bug

 * Styles dropdown menu has wrong tooltip: "Create style from selection"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74446
   => new, easyhack

 * Writer does not include a key combination to insert thin spaces
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121596
   => patch submitted, input welcome (U+202F NNBSP too wide with Liberation
Serif, U+200A HAIR SPACE too small maybe)
   + is it an ‘insert character’ UNO command with a parameter ? (Michael)
  + ideal not to add large numbers of UNO commands 1 per character  

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+0) import failures, 15(+0) export failures
  + crashtesting vm suspended, causing problems:
- https://status.documentfoundation.org/incident/140/
  + pretty sure mstahl has one fixed, and another is isolated & reproducible
+ ?? was 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + https://community.synopsys.com/s/article/Coverity-Scan-Update actually
now coverity is completely down for everybody with no ETA for
  

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Sophie, Eike, Caolan, Michael M, Stephan, Christian, Miklos, Thorsten,
  Michael S, Xisco, Aditya, Olivier, Jan-Marek, Showroom, Heiko

* Completed Action Items:
+ PVS Stdio
  [ MikeK plodding through remaining issues & will ask for re-trigger ] 

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
  [ sent some code pointers ]
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ]
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC2 status
  + tagging next week, final release announce with 6.2 final after FOSDEM
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagged, need to re-build windows source checkout.
  + mac build is up-loaded,afterbuildwill up-load Linux
  + marketing put announcement back until after FOSDEM   
  + people want to be at home and react properly  
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
 + tweak in Search box (buovjaga) 
+ Helpcontent2
 + Several pages for Python + Basic Programming (A. Romedenne, ohallot)
 + Typos and cleanups (A Gelmini, A. Barrientos)
 + Graphics updates to svg (Mark Robbinson) 
+ Guides
 + Calc guide updates 
+ Prep for FOSDEM

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 270(270) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  8(2) 12(0) 49(-2)  97(-3) 
 commented 71(25)   158(30)   437(20)1451(2)  
   removed  1(0)  2(1) 11(1)   15(0)  
  resolved  8(-3)23(3) 38(5)  119(6)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 67 changes in 1 month, and 556 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 47 changes in 1 month, and 108 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 28 changes in 1 month, and 285 changes in 1 year
  Buovjaga made 26 changes in 1 month, and 136 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 216 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 17 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 15 changes in 1 month, and 29 changes in 
1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 12 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 12 changes in 1 month, and 68 changes in 1 year

  * New needsUXEval between Jan/17-24

 * notebookbar tabbed switch with keyboard shortcut to different tab
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121586
=> NAB
   
 * Shortcuts for shapes in Draw/Impress
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122928

 * Add shortcut keys / hotkeys to set zoom level?
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82679

 * When opening the navigator, the caret is no longer positioned on the list
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122900
   => unconfirmed/in discussion
   
 * Custom Shortcut not working properly on OSX
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122391
   => bug

 * Styles dropdown menu has wrong tooltip: "Create style from selection"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74446
   => new, easyhack

 * Writer does not include a key combination to insert thin spaces
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121596
   => patch submitted, input welcome (U+202F NNBSP too wide with Liberation
Serif, U+200A HAIR SPACE too small maybe)
   + is it an ‘insert character’ UNO command with a parameter ? (Michael)
  + ideal not to add large numbers of UNO commands 1 per character  

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+0) import failures, 15(+0) export failures
  + crashtesting vm suspended, causing problems:
- https://status.documentfoundation.org/incident/140/
  + pretty sure mstahl has one fixed, and another is isolated & reproducible
+ ?? was 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + https://community.synopsys.com/s/article/Coverity-Scan-Update actually
now coverity is completely down for everybody with no ETA for
  

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Thorsten Behrens]

Michael Meeks wrote:
> * GSOC 2019 (Xisco)
> AI: Submit proposal (Thorsten/Heiko/Xisco)
> 
Done.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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Michael Meeks wrote:
> * GSOC 2019 (Xisco)
> AI: Submit proposal (Thorsten/Heiko/Xisco)
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minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael W, Stephan, Michael S, Michael M, Heiko,
  Xisco, Caolan, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for 6.1 for now (Justin L)

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]
+ discuss PVS Stdio on dev list – someone look into it ? (Thorsten, MikeK)
  [ report came attached to a bug – need to ask for a re-run ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, builds are all up except win32 (building)
  + RC2 during the week of FOSDEM – plan to tag on Wed 30th
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagging due next week.
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online
  + up-loaded rc2 source

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ more WIP for Help Editor:
+ https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2019/
+ https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/help_editor/index.html
+ Using to check XHP and page rendering.
+ Helpcontents2
+ several fixes in page (SophiaS, A Gelmini)
+ Pages on Python (A Romedenne)
+ Updates pages for deprecated resources (ohallot)
+ pages for undocumented resources - eg. shift-F5 (ohallot)
+ Some refactor to spare L10n workload (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Stalled

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 271(271) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 12(-2) 51(-4) 100(-5) 
 commented 46(-8)   128(-16)   417(-20)   1449(-7) 
   removed  1(0)  1(-2) 10(-1)  15(-1) 
  resolved 11(8) 20(7)  33(6)  113(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 39 changes in 1 month, and 543 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 38 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 20 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 19 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 242 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 14 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 142 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 8 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jan/10-17

* LibreOffice 6.2 notebook tabbed bar is missing RTL and LTR buttons
  after enabling CTL
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121589
* Notebookbar context related toolbars are visible
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122087
* context Menu: remove tabletext.xml from sd modules
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120844
* Explain in the style dialog that Outline & Numbering options are
  disabled due to style being assigned to Chapter Numbering
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122637
=> NEW

* Print (selected) pages harder to use in new printer dialog in 6.3+
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122707
* calc and draw sheet tab hardcoded black color actions
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122734
* UI: Shape background color depends on template
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122725
* Table background color not changing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122486
=> in discussion

* Add zig-zag lines for table borders
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122766
=> unconfirmed

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+9) import failures, 15(+15) export failures
  + import issue should be fixed in the next round.
  + export looks like related to redlining
  + but not isolated a reproducer yet -
+ ?? 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + 

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Olivier, Miklos, Michael W, Stephan, Michael S, Michael M, Heiko,
  Xisco, Caolan, Eike, Christian

* Completed Action Items:
+ disable popups for 6.1 for now (Justin L)

* Pending Action Items:
+ disable popups for release-build only in 6.2/.3 (Justin L)
+ send code pointers to Olivier on UNO commands ↔ UI XML mapping (Kendy)
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]
+ discuss PVS Stdio on dev list – someone look into it ? (Thorsten, MikeK)
  [ report came attached to a bug – need to ask for a re-run ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.5 RC1 status
  + tagged yesterday, builds are all up except win32 (building)
  + RC2 during the week of FOSDEM – plan to tag on Wed 30th
+ 6.2 RC3
  + tagging due next week.
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 branch created
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + and another 2 reviews for libreoffice-6-2-0   
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + new builds planned for the stores this week.
+ Online
  + up-loaded rc2 source

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ more WIP for Help Editor:
+ https://olivierhallot.blogspot.com/2019/
+ https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/help_editor/index.html
+ Using to check XHP and page rendering.
+ Helpcontents2
+ several fixes in page (SophiaS, A Gelmini)
+ Pages on Python (A Romedenne)
+ Updates pages for deprecated resources (ohallot)
+ pages for undocumented resources - eg. shift-F5 (ohallot)
+ Some refactor to spare L10n workload (ohallot)
+ Guides
+ Stalled

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
255(255) (topicUI) bugs open, 271(271) (needsUXEval)
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  6(1) 12(-2) 51(-4) 100(-5) 
 commented 46(-8)   128(-16)   417(-20)   1449(-7) 
   removed  1(0)  1(-2) 10(-1)  15(-1) 
  resolved 11(8) 20(7)  33(6)  113(4)  
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 39 changes in 1 month, and 543 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 38 changes in 1 month, and 296 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 20 changes in 1 month, and 134 changes in 1 year
  Roman Kuznetsov made 19 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 18 changes in 1 month, and 242 changes in 1 year
  Aditya Sahu made 16 changes in 1 month, and 16 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 14 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 13 changes in 1 month, and 79 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 142 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 8 changes in 1 month, and 62 changes in 1 year
 + New needsUXEval between Jan/10-17

* LibreOffice 6.2 notebook tabbed bar is missing RTL and LTR buttons
  after enabling CTL
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121589
* Notebookbar context related toolbars are visible
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122087
* context Menu: remove tabletext.xml from sd modules
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120844
* Explain in the style dialog that Outline & Numbering options are
  disabled due to style being assigned to Chapter Numbering
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122637
=> NEW

* Print (selected) pages harder to use in new printer dialog in 6.3+
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122707
* calc and draw sheet tab hardcoded black color actions
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122734
* UI: Shape background color depends on template
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122725
* Table background color not changing
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122486
=> in discussion

* Add zig-zag lines for table borders
  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122766
=> unconfirmed

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 15 (+9) import failures, 15(+15) export failures
  + import issue should be fixed in the next round.
  + export looks like related to redlining
  + but not isolated a reproducer yet -
+ ?? 8(+0) coverity issues
  + coverity was not working with C++17
  + 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M,
  Olivier, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ reach out to Zotero (Michael)
  [ not obvious how to move ahead; technology & license (AGPL)
installed it (Heiko)
   + Java - 100Mb install, connectors to different apps
   + LibreOffice connector – as an extension ]
+ blog poll with ~50/50 acceptance to drop bibliography (Heiko)
  [ some accept getting rid of it, others say minimum func.
makes sense for basic users without online connection.
Could do a GSOC project (Samuel volunteered) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
+ 6.2 RC 1 status
  + ready for the bug hunting Friday tomorrow.
+ 6.2 RC 2 – due week 2 – Jan 17th  
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 after RC2.
  + Late Features
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ merged into master & 6.2 branch in time for RC1
+ except for document indexes – still being worked on
  which should be finished by tomorrow.
+ is it enabled by default ? (Xisco) 
 + yes enabled by default (Michael S)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + will provide a new version to the app store but no up-loaded yet.
 + Online
+ 6.2 rc1 source up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Added  for proper rendering of python code (ohallot)
+ Work on online editor: render XHP page while editing (ohallot)
+ Help contents2
+ many fixes by translators (S. Horacek, Sabri Unai, ohallot)
+ miscellaneous fixes (erAck, ohallot)
+ additions and corrections for Basic and Python pages (libreofficiant)
+ Issue: How to add menus and toolbars for new UIs such as:
Notebook bar, simple bar, grouped bars, etc.
   + Huge work to describe UNO commands in new UIs. 
   + each page describes where a tool is eg. “menu → format → character”
   + considering all the cmds in an interface – quite a lot of work.
   + also confusing to list several (Michael)
  + the resulting is the same but the way to get it different.
  + should be able to do it programatically from
.uno:Format to a path in the UI.
   + menu never changes (Heiko)
  + help on notebookbars – perhaps just drop that.
  + concerned about the workflow around notebookbar,
too many options in the UI – and not close to usability.
  + we have five variants of similar UIs – which goes in &
is documented ?
+ development of new ones is easy.
  + propose to ship 1, not an arbitrary number of them.
 + making it an extension kills it (Michael)
+ few people install them
+ why should that be ? (Heiko)
   + practically it is – fixing that is hard (Michael)
 + if we get XML somewhere – can get it on pages (Olivier)
+ right transformation to find the files & simplify docs here.
 + in the end it is all .uno:Foo commands (Kendy)
+ menu/toolbar/sidebar
AI: + send some quick code pointers to Olivier (Kendy)
+ Guides.
+ Updates ongoing on Calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-6) 19(-3) 61(-1) 102(-1) 
 commented 35(-21)   147(-19)   435(-1)1444(-8) 
   removed  1(1)   6(0)   9(1)   13(1)  
  resolved  3(2)   7(1)  22(0)  111(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 92 changes in 1 month, and 547 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 37 changes in 1 month, and 284 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 32 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 353 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Kendy, Miklos, Xisco, Sophie, Caolan, Michael S, Michael M,
  Olivier, Heiko, Christian, Jan-Marek

* Completed Action Items:
+ reach out to Zotero (Michael)
  [ not obvious how to move ahead; technology & license (AGPL)
installed it (Heiko)
   + Java - 100Mb install, connectors to different apps
   + LibreOffice connector – as an extension ]
+ blog poll with ~50/50 acceptance to drop bibliography (Heiko)
  [ some accept getting rid of it, others say minimum func.
makes sense for basic users without online connection.
Could do a GSOC project (Samuel volunteered) ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ work with Mert to build an android l10n plan (Christian)
  [ didn’t connect with him yet ] 
+ mail BoD wrt. MS store update (Christian)
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ it fails with Japanese locale – but it’s not in the translation
can build with all of these – and build runs fine, but with just
ja it fails – needs further research  ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
+ 6.2 RC 1 status
  + ready for the bug hunting Friday tomorrow.
+ 6.2 RC 2 – due week 2 – Jan 17th  
  + still require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + libreoffice-6-2-0 after RC2.
  + Late Features
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ merged into master & 6.2 branch in time for RC1
+ except for document indexes – still being worked on
  which should be finished by tomorrow.
+ is it enabled by default ? (Xisco) 
 + yes enabled by default (Michael S)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + will provide a new version to the app store but no up-loaded yet.
 + Online
+ 6.2 rc1 source up-loaded.

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help
+ Added  for proper rendering of python code (ohallot)
+ Work on online editor: render XHP page while editing (ohallot)
+ Help contents2
+ many fixes by translators (S. Horacek, Sabri Unai, ohallot)
+ miscellaneous fixes (erAck, ohallot)
+ additions and corrections for Basic and Python pages (libreofficiant)
+ Issue: How to add menus and toolbars for new UIs such as:
Notebook bar, simple bar, grouped bars, etc.
   + Huge work to describe UNO commands in new UIs. 
   + each page describes where a tool is eg. “menu → format → character”
   + considering all the cmds in an interface – quite a lot of work.
   + also confusing to list several (Michael)
  + the resulting is the same but the way to get it different.
  + should be able to do it programatically from
.uno:Format to a path in the UI.
   + menu never changes (Heiko)
  + help on notebookbars – perhaps just drop that.
  + concerned about the workflow around notebookbar,
too many options in the UI – and not close to usability.
  + we have five variants of similar UIs – which goes in &
is documented ?
+ development of new ones is easy.
  + propose to ship 1, not an arbitrary number of them.
 + making it an extension kills it (Michael)
+ few people install them
+ why should that be ? (Heiko)
   + practically it is – fixing that is hard (Michael)
 + if we get XML somewhere – can get it on pages (Olivier)
+ right transformation to find the files & simplify docs here.
 + in the end it is all .uno:Foo commands (Kendy)
+ menu/toolbar/sidebar
AI: + send some quick code pointers to Olivier (Kendy)
+ Guides.
+ Updates ongoing on Calc guides

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
259(259) (topicUI) bugs open, 278(278) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month3 months   12 months  
 added  4(-6) 19(-3) 61(-1) 102(-1) 
 commented 35(-21)   147(-19)   435(-1)1444(-8) 
   removed  1(1)   6(0)   9(1)   13(1)  
  resolved  3(2)   7(1)  22(0)  111(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 92 changes in 1 month, and 547 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 37 changes in 1 month, and 284 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 32 changes in 1 month, and 227 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 32 changes in 1 month, and 91 changes in 1 year
  dieterp made 24 changes in 1 month, and 122 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 21 changes in 1 month, and 353 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 61 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  

[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Caolan, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Michael W, Heiko,
  Stephan, Sophie, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Mert

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Guilhelm wrt gandalf → to poke admins (Christian)
  [ Markus volunteered to look at this & ~all is well (Stephan) ]
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ run the script – and mailed it out ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still failing when languages are enabled.
Not sure if it is related to langtag things –
perhaps a coincidence ? - more digging required ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
  + will up-load builds during the day.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + want to tag early to help out bug-hunting with builds before Friday
 + aiming for Tuesday evening – please help out reviewing patches.
  + currently require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + Late Features ?
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ a flurry of activity in the private branch private/mst/redlining4b
+ pretty confident.
+ running mass-comparison framework from Milos 
+ should be in a good shape next week.
+ with consent of ESC – if none of the BZ docs trigger problems.
+ as close to production ready as possible.
+ crash testing ? (Michael)
   + input documents are the set of bugzilla docs (Thorsten)
  + lots of overlap
  + also using it with no experimental (Xisco)
  + don’t without the branch (Thorsten)
=> merge it into RC1 – not experimental anymore.
   + easy to turn off later – just a 1 liner.
   + happy to have a kill-switch too (Miklos)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + thanks to Stephan for fixing C++ exceptions here
  + updated tinderbox to recent debian so it now builds.
  + Christian has access to recovery console too now.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Updates in XSLT + DTD for Python code fragments
 + writing python documentation / help
 + Help
 + Fix typos from translators review (ohallot, Sabri Unal)
 + some refactor (SophiaS)
 + Fix menu paths for recent UI (S. Horacek)
 + New pages for Python Scripts (ohallot, libreofficiant)
 + New pages for StarDesktop, Enum objects (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + Work in progress

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(1)  22(-6)62(4)  103(1)  
 commented 56(-12)   166(-2)   436(12)1452(-16)
   removed  0(0)   6(-2) 8(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  1(-1)  6(1) 22(-1) 112(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 91 changes in 1 month, and 534 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 33 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 226 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 124 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 17 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 10 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 8 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Dec/06-Dec/12

   * Wasting of time and bad behaviour when you use the 'clone' of the cell
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121876
 => NAB
   * Mail Merge toolbar hidden on next run if it was manually enabled
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122002
 => NEW
   * default padding around Images
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122063
   * Some enhancement request for customization dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121939
   * Some enhancement request and issues for the Personas dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121937
   * Can't select/pick multiples shapes or images in
 Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw with CTRL key
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121967
   * Data loss risk referencing slides from external impress presentation
 (Menu Insert -> File, selecting link)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51554
 => in discussion

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Miklos, Caolan, Christian, Jan-Marek, Eike, Michael W, Heiko,
  Stephan, Sophie, Xisco, Kendy, Thorsten, Mert

* Completed Action Items:
+ poke Guilhelm wrt gandalf → to poke admins (Christian)
  [ Markus volunteered to look at this & ~all is well (Stephan) ]
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ run the script – and mailed it out ]

* Pending Action Items:
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still failing when languages are enabled.
Not sure if it is related to langtag things –
perhaps a coincidence ? - more digging required ]

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.1.4 RC2 status
  + will up-load builds during the day.
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + want to tag early to help out bug-hunting with builds before Friday
 + aiming for Tuesday evening – please help out reviewing patches.
  + currently require 1 review for libreoffice-6-2
  + Late Features ?
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Thorsten)
+ a flurry of activity in the private branch private/mst/redlining4b
+ pretty confident.
+ running mass-comparison framework from Milos 
+ should be in a good shape next week.
+ with consent of ESC – if none of the BZ docs trigger problems.
+ as close to production ready as possible.
+ crash testing ? (Michael)
   + input documents are the set of bugzilla docs (Thorsten)
  + lots of overlap
  + also using it with no experimental (Xisco)
  + don’t without the branch (Thorsten)
=> merge it into RC1 – not experimental anymore.
   + easy to turn off later – just a 1 liner.
   + happy to have a kill-switch too (Miklos)
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
  + thanks to Stephan for fixing C++ exceptions here
  + updated tinderbox to recent debian so it now builds.
  + Christian has access to recovery console too now.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + New Help
 + Updates in XSLT + DTD for Python code fragments
 + writing python documentation / help
 + Help
 + Fix typos from translators review (ohallot, Sabri Unal)
 + some refactor (SophiaS)
 + Fix menu paths for recent UI (S. Horacek)
 + New pages for Python Scripts (ohallot, libreofficiant)
 + New pages for StarDesktop, Enum objects (libreofficiant)
 + Guides
 + Work in progress

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 286(286) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added 10(1)  22(-6)62(4)  103(1)  
 commented 56(-12)   166(-2)   436(12)1452(-16)
   removed  0(0)   6(-2) 8(0)   12(-1) 
  resolved  1(-1)  6(1) 22(-1) 112(-1) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 91 changes in 1 month, and 534 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 53 changes in 1 month, and 292 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 38 changes in 1 month, and 348 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 33 changes in 1 month, and 89 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 25 changes in 1 month, and 226 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 25 changes in 1 month, and 124 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 17 changes in 1 month, and 57 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 13 changes in 1 month, and 77 changes in 1 year
  Raal made 10 changes in 1 month, and 31 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 8 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year

   + New needsUXEval between Dec/06-Dec/12

   * Wasting of time and bad behaviour when you use the 'clone' of the cell
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121876
 => NAB
   * Mail Merge toolbar hidden on next run if it was manually enabled
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122002
 => NEW
   * default padding around Images
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122063
   * Some enhancement request for customization dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121939
   * Some enhancement request and issues for the Personas dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121937
   * Can't select/pick multiples shapes or images in
 Writer/Calc/Impress/Draw with CTRL key
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121967
   * Data loss risk referencing slides from external impress presentation
 (Menu Insert -> File, selecting link)
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51554
 => in discussion

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Heiko Tietze]

On 06.12.18 17:51, Michael Meeks wrote:
> Hi Markus,
> 
> On 06/12/2018 16:46, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
>>          + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc
>> (Heiko)
>>             + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>>  
>> These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
>> necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for
>> many regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.
> 
>   Amusing =) Heiko would know those involved I guess.

Of course it was necessary. I mentioned the irritation just as a reminder to 
acknowledge everyone about changes. If it was announces at the ESC people can 
blame me to not forward the info :-).



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Heiko Tietze]

On 06.12.18 17:51, Michael Meeks wrote:
> Hi Markus,
> 
> On 06/12/2018 16:46, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
>>          + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc
>> (Heiko)
>>             + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>>  
>> These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
>> necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for
>> many regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.
> 
>   Amusing =) Heiko would know those involved I guess.

Of course it was necessary. I mentioned the irritation just as a reminder to 
acknowledge everyone about changes. If it was announces at the ESC people can 
blame me to not forward the info :-).



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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Markus,

On 06/12/2018 16:46, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
>          + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc
> (Heiko)
>             + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>  
> These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
> necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for
> many regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.

Amusing =) Heiko would know those involved I guess.

> perftest is not running on gandalf, instead on vm139. 
> 
> As I'm one of the main users of gandalf (e.g. update, UI testing, random
> config) and some more exotic builds not managed by jenkins I will try to
> take care of the update during the weekend.

Thanks so much for that ! seems like that one machine does a lot.

ATB,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

Hi Markus,

On 06/12/2018 16:46, Markus Mohrhard wrote:
>          + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc
> (Heiko)
>             + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>  
> These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
> necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for
> many regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.

Amusing =) Heiko would know those involved I guess.

> perftest is not running on gandalf, instead on vm139. 
> 
> As I'm one of the main users of gandalf (e.g. update, UI testing, random
> config) and some more exotic builds not managed by jenkins I will try to
> take care of the update during the weekend.

Thanks so much for that ! seems like that one machine does a lot.

ATB,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[Markus Mohrhard]

Hey all,

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:31 PM Michael Meeks 
wrote:

>  + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
> + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>
>

These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for many
regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.


> * Tinderbox bits (Stephan)
> + gandalf – too old compiler; keeps failing tinderboxen
>+ bit of a problem, needs SUSE goodwill to help us connect a
> console etc.
>+ can we not live-upgrade it ? (Thorsten)
>+ just needs a new gcc (Stephan)
>   + some SLES12 there – with internal repos etc. (Thorsten)
>  + in some odd state there.
>+ not eager to touch it unless we can afford to loose it (Thorsten)
> + rsync some container or other onto there ?
> + what jobs run there ? (Thorsten)
>+ lcov, perftest(?), random config,
>  UI testing, update, UI testing (Stephan, Christian)
>+ can we move jobs off it ?
>   + unclear if they have extra build deps ? (Christian)
>  + perhaps more sustainable to migrate this (Thorsten)
> + poke Guilhelm → to poke admins (Christian)
>


perftest is not running on gandalf, instead on vm139.

As I'm one of the main users of gandalf (e.g. update, UI testing, random
config) and some more exotic builds not managed by jenkins I will try to
take care of the update during the weekend. I already managed to get gperf
working but the SUSE network firewall blocks access to github so flex could
not be updated. The new compiler should be possible without major issues.

Regards,
Markus
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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

[Markus Mohrhard]

Hey all,

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 4:31 PM Michael Meeks 
wrote:

>  + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
> + how to know ? - checkout release notes
>
>

These people should feel free to complain to me. However the removal was
necessary and long overdue. Actually, the feature was responsible for many
regressions and was originally intended by me for debugging purposes.


> * Tinderbox bits (Stephan)
> + gandalf – too old compiler; keeps failing tinderboxen
>+ bit of a problem, needs SUSE goodwill to help us connect a
> console etc.
>+ can we not live-upgrade it ? (Thorsten)
>+ just needs a new gcc (Stephan)
>   + some SLES12 there – with internal repos etc. (Thorsten)
>  + in some odd state there.
>+ not eager to touch it unless we can afford to loose it (Thorsten)
> + rsync some container or other onto there ?
> + what jobs run there ? (Thorsten)
>+ lcov, perftest(?), random config,
>  UI testing, update, UI testing (Stephan, Christian)
>+ can we move jobs off it ?
>   + unclear if they have extra build deps ? (Christian)
>  + perhaps more sustainable to migrate this (Thorsten)
> + poke Guilhelm → to poke admins (Christian)
>


perftest is not running on gandalf, instead on vm139.

As I'm one of the main users of gandalf (e.g. update, UI testing, random
config) and some more exotic builds not managed by jenkins I will try to
take care of the update during the weekend. I already managed to get gperf
working but the SUSE network firewall blocks access to github so flex could
not be updated. The new compiler should be possible without major issues.

Regards,
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[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Michael S, Kendy, Stephan, Heiko, Christian, Michael M,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Xisco, Eike 

* Completed Action Items:
+ fwd port experimental firebird migration patch to -6-2 (Xisco)

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ hope to have run for next time ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still WIP] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2 Beta 2 – no request → skip  
+ 6.1.4 RC2
  + due next week tagging expected Tues.  
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar: merged to master & -6-2 (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
+ trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ preparing a back-port of parts already done to -6-2 branch
   + can merge this branch tomorrow
+ doing some testing / fixing of crashers from printing & 
formatting 
+ have a few more issues to fix
+ can we turn it out of experimental in master ? (Thorten)
   + then we get crash-testing – next week perhaps.
 + showstopper fixed for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ thanks to Mike K.
 + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
+ how to know ? - checkout release notes
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + tinderbox off-line while it is updated to gcc7 baseline.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing this week)
+ Help contents
+ pages fixes and refactor (A. Gelmini, erAck,
M. Kaganski, LibreOficiant, ohallot)
+ New help page on OpenPGP encryption (ohallot, bubli).
+ Guides
+ Team working in updating Calc Guide to 6.2

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 285(285) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 28(-4)58(2)  102(3)  
 commented 68(34)   168(7)424(37)1468(30) 
   removed  0(-5) 8(0)  8(0)   13(-1) 
  resolved  2(2)  5(-3)23(1)  113(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 60 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 50 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 16 changes in 1 month, and 115 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 9 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
   + 11 new needsUXEval between Nov/29-Dec/06

   * Rework tab Header/Footer in dialogue Page style in Calc
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121777
   * Autocorrect: an option to avoid auto-capitalization of some words
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121779
   * Doesn't active menu item Insert->Headers and Footers in Calc 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121759
   * Table with no styles created by table picker differs from a table 
 with no styles created by insert table dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121816
   * UI: Name of options section "HTML Compatibility" doesn't match 
 the wider scope of available options
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121837
   * The problem of drawing trapezoidal graphs
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116672
   * Gutters
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121883
   * Horizontal table borders appear slightly fatter compared to 
 vertical lines and compared to previous versions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121026
   * Unsaved changes to document indicator invisible
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121814
   => New/In discussion
   
   * UX - Simplify Page Border Menu & Provide Basic Cover Page Templates
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121864
   => Accepted
   
   * Tabbed UI in Windows does not get theme color - remains white.
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121877
   => Dup

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1 (+0) 

minutes of ESC call ...

[Michael Meeks]

* Present:
+ Jmux, Michael S, Kendy, Stephan, Heiko, Christian, Michael M,
  Thorsten, Olivier, Xisco, Eike 

* Completed Action Items:
+ fwd port experimental firebird migration patch to -6-2 (Xisco)

* Pending Action Items:
+ run certification script (Kendy)
  [ hope to have run for next time ]
+ add screenshot builder to basic build stats (Christian)
  [ still WIP] 

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 6.2 Beta 2 – no request → skip  
+ 6.1.4 RC2
  + due next week tagging expected Tues.  
+ 6.2 RC 1 – Dec 17th
  + Late Features ?
 + donation infobar: merged to master & -6-2 (Heiko)
 + red-lining paragraph attribute re-work (Michael S)
+ trying to aim for UI freeze on Dec 17 for switching the 
default
+ preparing a back-port of parts already done to -6-2 branch
   + can merge this branch tomorrow
+ doing some testing / fixing of crashers from printing & 
formatting 
+ have a few more issues to fix
+ can we turn it out of experimental in master ? (Thorten)
   + then we get crash-testing – next week perhaps.
 + showstopper fixed for Notebookbar (Heiko)
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103226
+ thanks to Mike K.
 + minor complaint wrt. single Chart save removal in calc (Heiko)
+ how to know ? - checkout release notes
+ Remotes
+ Android viewer
 + tinderbox off-line while it is updated to gcc7 baseline.
+ Online

* Documentation (Olivier)
+ New Help (nothing this week)
+ Help contents
+ pages fixes and refactor (A. Gelmini, erAck,
M. Kaganski, LibreOficiant, ohallot)
+ New help page on OpenPGP encryption (ohallot, bubli).
+ Guides
+ Team working in updating Calc Guide to 6.2

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
260(260) (topicUI) bugs open, 285(285) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month   3 months   12 months  
 added  9(1) 28(-4)58(2)  102(3)  
 commented 68(34)   168(7)424(37)1468(30) 
   removed  0(-5) 8(0)  8(0)   13(-1) 
  resolved  2(2)  5(-3)23(1)  113(-3) 
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 114 changes in 1 month, and 551 changes in 1 year
  Xisco Faulí made 60 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo made 50 changes in 1 month, and 342 changes in 1 year
  kompilainenn made 21 changes in 1 month, and 63 changes in 1 year
  Dieter Praas made 16 changes in 1 month, and 115 changes in 1 year
  Cor Nouws made 11 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  himajin10 made 9 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Pedro made 9 changes in 1 month, and 64 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 9 changes in 1 month, and 72 changes in 1 year
  Kainz, Andreas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 135 changes in 1 year
   + 11 new needsUXEval between Nov/29-Dec/06

   * Rework tab Header/Footer in dialogue Page style in Calc
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121777
   * Autocorrect: an option to avoid auto-capitalization of some words
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121779
   * Doesn't active menu item Insert->Headers and Footers in Calc 6.2
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121759
   * Table with no styles created by table picker differs from a table 
 with no styles created by insert table dialog
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121816
   * UI: Name of options section "HTML Compatibility" doesn't match 
 the wider scope of available options
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121837
   * The problem of drawing trapezoidal graphs
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116672
   * Gutters
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121883
   * Horizontal table borders appear slightly fatter compared to 
 vertical lines and compared to previous versions
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121026
   * Unsaved changes to document indicator invisible
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121814
   => New/In discussion
   
   * UX - Simplify Page Border Menu & Provide Basic Cover Page Templates
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121864
   => Accepted
   
   * Tabbed UI in Windows does not get theme color - remains white.
 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121877
   => Dup

* Crash Testing (Caolan)
+ 1 (+0)