Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] Re: BSA Not Updating

2013-02-08 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Rob Snelders libreoff...@ertai.nl wrote: I don't know what is wrong. But the BSA is updated but isn't shown on the website. When I go to the direct link of the BSA[1] then I get the 4.0.0.3 release as option, but when I go to the website[2] it isn't. Can

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] Re: BSA Not Updating

2013-02-08 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: On Ask please request that they go to bugzilla directly, let them know that it's only intimidating at first and really isn't that hard to work. Will do. ___ List Name:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-documentation] De-geeking BugReport on Wiki

2013-02-16 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:22 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I like the changes. Actually i prefer someone to bug-triager and person to developer While the more precise definitions are important to us and we might 'naturally' understand what the terms ,eam those

[Libreoffice-qa] Unity Integration issues?

2013-02-24 Thread Robinson Tryon
I've been fielding several questions about Unity integration in LibreOffice. For example: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11626/unity-integration-in-libreoffice-40-doesnt-work/ The LO Release Notes/Features pages describe this support as landing in LO 4.0.0:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Unity Integration issues?

2013-02-25 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: Thanks for looking into this ! so this is essentially a build environment problem. If you want Unity integration to work - you will need to get a build from your distributor. Ah, okay. We definitely should

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Unity Integration issues?

2013-02-25 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 09:40:50AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: - Is there currently a source for builds with Unity menu integration? Yes, Ubuntu Raring has the build with the upstreamed Unity

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BUGZILLAASSISTANT broken due to nbsp in Component names

2013-03-13 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:10 AM, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote: Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: was necessary with oLder Wikimedia for getting some templates working. ... with OLDER Wikimedia, of course. ... (not directly related to BSA, but shows some Wikimedia

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Explanations on the NL BSA purpose

2013-03-18 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, So I'll try first to explain my idea clearly on the workflow we have thought about: thanks! :-) - a user fills information on the BSA in French - no issue is created - the content of the submission is

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Page for BSA process in other languages

2013-03-21 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'll start to document the BSA process for NLP who would like to join later, where would you like me to put this page on the wiki ? My original suggestion was here:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Page for BSA process in other languages

2013-03-21 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: Personally I'd prefer to have a hierarchically organized Page tree like there was in the ooowiki, with a clear hierarchy like QA QA/Tools QA/Tools/BSA ... In such a schema, where would you put a page about the NLang BSA?

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Get the File Information

2013-03-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: C. H. D. for LibreOffice QA wrote Recently, I downloaded the daily build for testing. However, I cannot find the _sha1sum_ or _sha512sum_ values for checking the file. To my knowledge this project does not include any MD5 or SHA

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

2013-03-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: I do have some experience in setting that up. That is something I can help out with if you would like me to. We would love to try

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Minutes - March 22nd, 2013

2013-03-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: If talkyoo is free why host it on TDF hardware? And it is not hosted on TDF-hardware. But talkyoo generously does provide the service to the TDF free of charge. Ah, okay. I didn't know that Talkyoo

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] talkyoo issues

2013-03-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
(dropping libreoffice-dev from cc) On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Christian kindly forwarded me the e-mail about talkyoo. Sorry to hear there have been issues. In general, using Skype is *not* recommended. It *will* cause

[Libreoffice-qa] What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-03-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
In our last QA Meeting we discussed what we should do with bugs filed against Extensions or Templates. We didn't make much headway on the discussion, as reflected in the minutes: -AGREED: Move discussion to email, try to find consensus, if not vote to decide -- [Note: From this point

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-03-29 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: The basic problem is that bugs are filed against Extensions and Templates in the same manner as bugs filed against LibreOffice proper. We had general agreement that the developer of the Extension should

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] talkyoo issues

2013-03-29 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: We could use a G+ page for sure (maybe we can send in pictures of ourselves to give it a bit of character). What we don't want is a system where a google account is required to access our conference call via a computer

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-03-29 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Brenda Granados bgra...@gmail.com wrote: Robinson Tryon wrote Here are the different approaches: B) We clearly and explicitly inform users about which Extensions/Templates have official support and which ones have unofficial support from the developers

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-03-29 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Robinson Tryon wrote (29-03-13 06:29) Thoughts on these proposals? Both involve quite some work/handling/training to make them work as desired. And then still: bugs for extensions will appear in BugZilla, either being

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] French bug in Bugzilla

2013-03-30 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote: Robinson Tryon schrieb: It looks like that bug was submitted via the BSA. Perhaps we need to be more explicit in the BSA about authoring bugs in English? Hi, Please see https://bugs.freedesktop.org

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-03-30 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Remember that if an extension stops working, it's not the absentee developer who is inconvenienced, but the user who installed it with some expectations of reliability. What one can do now, is like/dislike. But that's a quite

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-03-30 Thread Robinson Tryon
I've cc'd Andreas on this email as well.. On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote: Robinson Tryon schrieb: In our last QA Meeting we discussed what we should do with bugs filed against Extensions or Templates. did I miss something? Do we have

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-03-30 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote: Robinson Tryon schrieb: Bugzilla is for bugs that we're willing to address/fix as a project, Hi Robinson, I am (more or less) the the creator of the LibO Bugzilla bug tracking system Really? cool -- I

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla administration info - Help for

2013-04-04 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Jochen oo...@jochenschiffers.de wrote: Hi Rainer, I added links to bugzilla from the German QA-Wiki (see [1]). Is it okay? [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details#Database Updated URL:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to change QA processes: was: What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-04-06 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: QA. Fortunately, Joel White started to be more active at this time and took some of Rainer's responsibilities, including QA statistic, leading the QA call, driving forward many QA activities. They both use a bit different

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Wiki Cleanup - Any Pages not Under ../QA/..?

2013-04-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 05/04/13 05:31 PM, Joel Madero a écrit : Hi All, Qubit has done a tremendous amount of work in the past couple days moving QA related wiki pages to their appropriate location (../QA/..) vs under root of wiki or

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Wiki Cleanup - Any Pages not Under ../QA/..?

2013-04-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 07/04/13 07:24 PM, Italo Vignoli a écrit : Il 07/04/2013 20:00, Robinson Tryon ha scritto: I'm 'qubit' on most sites, but 'colonelqubit' on Freenode I have met Robinson at LibrePlanet in Boston, and he is really a great

[Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?

2013-04-08 Thread Robinson Tryon
On the ReleasePlan page[1] we have detailed descriptions of the release dates of our builds, but I don't see any mention of the End of Life (EOL) dates for the builds and branches, except for a small note on the 'Lifecycle' graphic. Do we have EOL dates in mind for our builds and branches? Is

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] How to change QA processes: was: What should we do with bugs filed against Extensions/Templates?

2013-04-08 Thread Robinson Tryon
(Petr touched on some similar points; I haven't had a chance to finish my reply until today :-) On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:22 AM, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote: Quality Assurance has to do something with quality, and we have to observe and grant the quality of your own

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?

2013-04-09 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Jochen oo...@jochenschiffers.de wrote: Hi *, Am 09.04.2013 15:53, schrieb Pedro: The image just needs to be corrected by user uroveits. I´m uroveits. I've been watching this thread and I will change the graphic when EOL has been set. :-) Great. As Pedro

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?

2013-04-10 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote: Pedro wrote: Does this also mean that 3.4 versions can already be removed from the bugzilla Version picker? And 3.5 versions after the 18th of this month? Hi Pedro, no, we can't. Version info in BZ

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?

2013-04-10 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: I see that you both use a bit different logic, so we need to decide how we count the 6 and 9 months. I understand it the following way: + the release is defined by the minor version release, e.g. 3.6 or 4.0

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Consistent Time for Meetings

2013-04-11 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, So we need to set an official, every two week (or maybe 3?) time for our meetings...I say we set it in stone, we either meet that day or we cancel the meeting (no more moving it around, I think it gives a bad

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Consistent Time for Meetings

2013-04-11 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: As I said to Joel, I don't consider myself part of the QA team. I'm just someone who sometimes contributes to this project. Since many of my contributions don't even deserve an answer (even a f* off would be nicer than being

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?

2013-04-11 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Robinson Tryon píše v St 10. 04. 2013 v 11:29 -0400: So would we provide an EOL date for each point release in a series, or just a single EOL date for all of our 3.6.x released builds? I think that only the single EOL date

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Master daily builds for Windows are broken

2013-04-11 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Humans are not bits of data that you could move fast over the internet. Hmm... consider the following: StarOffice StarTrek Coincidence? I think not.. --R ___ List Name:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?

2013-04-12 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Taking the 3.6 branch as an example, the first release came out by Aug 12th., after which point there were no new major/minor builds until 4.0 was released just after 3.6.5 in February. That means that for 6 months, the 3.6

[Libreoffice-qa] Ask: How can we interoperate with QA and Bugzilla?

2013-04-13 Thread Robinson Tryon
[cc'd QA list as this is relevant to their interests] One of the perennial questions about the Ask site is How do we interoperate with QA (and the QA Team) and Bugzilla? We often get questions on the Ask site such as this:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Lifecycle of builds?

2013-04-15 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:53 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Robinson Tryon píše v Pá 12. 04. 2013 v 13:24 -0400: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Regarding the EOL date, I've mocked-up an example of how we could display it on the wiki page: https

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] XP Tester Needed for Several Bugs

2013-04-15 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com wrote: On XP here - is there a search to limit bugs to XP only? +1 Unfortunately, no. What we can do is when we hit a bug that says bug present

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Enhancements - Getting User Input

2013-04-16 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: I am afraid that this could not work easily. If we do the work and select 10-15 nice features and find potential volunteers, we probably do not need voting. There will be most likely different volunteers for the different

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call 2013-04-19 - Agenda Minutes

2013-04-19 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Concerning this item https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/April_19#PENDING_ITEM:_Documentation_for_Localized_French_BSA please consider that we (FR group) are acting as a community and not as

[Libreoffice-qa] Addressing regressions within a release

2013-04-19 Thread Robinson Tryon
As brought-up by Bjoern during the meeting, it's good for us if we can identify how many regressions have been introduced during the course of a (minor) release series of LibreOffice. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/May_3#PENDING_ITEM:_Regressions_within_a_release One good

[Libreoffice-qa] After EOL has been reached...

2013-04-19 Thread Robinson Tryon
Per discussion at the meeting today, we generally agreed to the following: AGREED: For users inquiring about tech support after the EOL date of a release, we politely indicate that the release is EOL and ask them to upgrade to a new version (or go talk to their vendor/distro/paid tech support)

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] After EOL has been reached...

2013-04-23 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: Robinson Tryon píše v Pá 19. 04. 2013 v 17:21 -0400: 6 months sounds fine to me for most of the bugfix releases. Well, I would suggest to leave either the last bugfix release or some generic version, e.g. 3.5, 3.4, 3.3

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] After EOL has been reached...

2013-04-23 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de wrote: not good! We will not create complicated wrong rules for things what are easy to understand. My rule was 1 short sentence long. Compared to the current morass of QA documentation, I don't think it's

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Addressing regressions within a release

2013-04-23 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Joel - How much work would it be to bibisect the regressions for each release? Aside from initial triage/repro, what other QA tasks should take priority over this work? For major releases not a problem but for minor

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] After EOL has been reached...

2013-04-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:24 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 09:47:28AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 19/04/2013 23:21, Robinson Tryon a écrit : AGREED: We de-list versions in Bugzilla 6 months after the release has been EOLed I

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] After EOL has been reached...

2013-04-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:56:21AM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: This kind of scenario is one of the reasons I was interested in implementing my Repro Table. The current version drop-down is both too long

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] After EOL has been reached...

2013-04-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: So, as a developer, I would think comments (and the platform field) would be sufficient for these rare cornercases. For fixed and reappearing, I think its not really an issue: - if the bug is really

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Special Meeting Needed?

2013-05-06 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just trying to see if anyone thinks a special meeting is needed to finish the agenda from last Friday or if we should just punt until next Friday. Given that we didn't get through the entire agenda last Friday,

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Tags on BSA

2013-05-06 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just a warning that some edits to our wiki seems to have broken our ability to update BSA. Rob and Robinson are actively trying to solve the problem but it could be an issue with upcoming release. I will keep

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Tags on BSA

2013-05-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
(moving to just QA, as now we're getting into the nitty-gritty) On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Rob Snelders libreoff...@ertai.nl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, Why is it moved? We (well, mostly me) were trying to clean up the documentation of Bugzilla, the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice-QA] Minutes for 2013-05-03

2013-05-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:59 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu wrote: An aside from the discussions, I do like the new QA meeting minutes format, very easy to see what was covered from the agenda and what actions and best practices are put forth in discussion. A reader is now able to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Tags on BSA

2013-05-07 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just a warning that some edits to our wiki seems to have broken our ability to update BSA. Rob and Robinson are actively trying to solve the problem but it could be an issue with upcoming release. Update: The

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANNOUNCE] libreoffice-4.1.0.0.alpha1 tag created

2013-05-10 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:30 AM, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Petr, all Petr Mladek wrote The release builds does not have the + because they are well defined by the related tag. Ok. Sounds like a reasonable option. Maybe this should be documented somewhere, at least for QA people?

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Removing bibisect3* bibisect whiteboard status?

2013-05-11 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 7:36 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Another whiteboard status post. Should we just move forward with removing bibisect3* whiteboard status'? Now that bibisect40 has everything, there's really no need for these. +1 My proposal: bibisectrequest

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Cleaning up QA Nabble and Archive folders from Spam?

2013-05-13 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: Am 13.05.2013 00:03, schrieb Thorsten Behrens: That's why we run it on fdo - such that you don't have to worry. ;) But in this case, IMHO we /have/ to worry a bit as there has been increasing spam impact in the last week or

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Method of Phone Call Friday

2013-05-14 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, So I want to clarify the plan for Friday in terms of how we are going to communicate. My pitch unless there are objections (from someone planning on attending ;) ) - 1. Try 5 minutes prior to 1300 to use

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] NEEDINFO Status Wiki

2013-05-14 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/FDO/NEEDINFO ... P.S. Robinson - is location of this appropriate? You're my go to wiki organization guru :) So the base for Bugzilla stuff is typically QA/Bugzilla. The field

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] NEEDINFO Status Wiki

2013-05-14 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Will do. If you're okay with waiting for a major rework again, I'd like to focus just on NEEDNIFO first, then tackle the other stuff listed in the email :) Sure, sure. I'll move the page now. I'll ping you when I'm done

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA for GSoC project

2013-05-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Cao Cuong Ngo cao.cuong@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been selected in GSoC this year, project Extend Support for Content Management Systems. I will implement the connection to Google Drive and properties/version dialog extension of CMIS. cool! It

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Minutes QA-call 2013-05-03

2013-06-03 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: P.S.: Robinson, it would be awesome if we could drop such a note on the minutes to the projects@-list in the future so it is kept visible to other parts of the project. could you take care of that?

[Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-06-14

2013-06-16 Thread Robinson Tryon
Hi all, Minutes from our Friday QA meeting are available here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/June_14 Our next QA Meeting will be on June 28th. Agenda may be found here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/June_28 Cheers, -- Robinson

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug Fixed in 4.2 branch, broken in 4.1 daily, status thoughts?

2013-06-19 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: So, if we use bugzilla as intended, a bug that is fixed, but not in a released version yet should be RESOLVED/FIXED. Once that the release containing the fix is out it should go to CLOSED/FIXED. Note the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug submission Assistant

2013-06-21 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't found a really clean way to grab just the active list of LibreOffice version numbers, but I refactored some of the version-grabbing code in query.pl and made it possible to get version numbers from

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bug submission Assistant

2013-06-21 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Jean Spiteri beimaginativeegr...@gmail.com wrote: From what I have understood, the versions are got via a file named: version.xhtml. Is this correct or not? The processed version #s are formatted and then saved in version.xhtml. They are slurped from the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] New Component - BSA needs updated

2013-06-21 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Rob Snelders libreoff...@ertai.nl wrote: Hi Joel, Joel Madero schreef op 21-06-2013 21:09: Hi to both of you. I've added a requested component to FDO (UX-Advice) for bugs that need UX input. From what Robinson said we just need to update a single txt file

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Short news about BSA_fr

2013-06-25 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Short news from the BSA in French. So it's up and running since last week. Today, I've documented our process on the wiki for our team [1]. I propose that we let a period of tests/improvements for about 2

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] BSA Versions - Update

2013-06-27 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: Hi, On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:57:44AM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: I have added Bjoern to this as he's the one who might be impacted most because of the Ubuntu issue. Can we maybe make the wording

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] all versions BSA collapse

2013-07-10 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: hi there, I still see all the old release numbers in the version field of bugzilla... I thought to see only 3.3 all versions while I still see 3.3.0, 3.3.1, 3.3.2 and so long... Hi Tommy, We've collapsed the version numbers in the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] all versions BSA collapse

2013-07-10 Thread Robinson Tryon
Robinson hath chiseled into stone tablets: One option available to us in Bugzilla is to hide certain versions on the New Bug page, but to still make them available when editing a bug. This would allow us to simplify the number of versions available for a new report, but then allow us to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Etherpad test drive

2013-07-11 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: so, indeed, I managed today to set up the rest, including some useful plugins. Please test this Etherpad and let me know any issues you discover. ;-) However, be *CAREFUL* - it's still in testing mode

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback...and BSA ideas

2013-07-12 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, After a long discussion with Robinson we came up with a quasi workable plan for what we hope to be the new setup for send feedback... ... ... Before we move forward looking for feedback, Robinson feel free to

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback...and BSA ideas

2013-07-15 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 07:07:36PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: b) Robinson's main point about ask site is that they don't have the man power to be QA's screeners - I think that summarizes his stance in the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback...and BSA ideas

2013-07-15 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: Still that cant be learned by telling them you should have filed the bug on that system which you dont understand Hmm...I think that if someone wants to report a bug, we should send them to the bug

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback...and BSA ideas

2013-07-15 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:18:07PM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: So it sounds like some kind of differentiation page (ala Mozilla) could be our biggest win here. I'll try to mock-up an example of how

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Send Feedback...and BSA ideas

2013-07-22 Thread Robinson Tryon
(Apologies if I'm a couple of days late to the party...catching up on emails here) On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Rob Snelders r...@ertai.nl wrote: I think we need _really need_ our own bugzilla so we can tweak that install that it suits us better. Yes, many of us agree. But we've punted on

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Call Time

2013-07-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: P.S. Another option is to have a US call later in the day maybe once a month to go over the normal call and get more people in our timezones involved with projects - if this is a possibility then I can give everyone my

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Call Time

2013-07-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Now the question is - how do we reach out to the NA community and say we need to balance out our teams! - a couple people from the triage contest were from the US - wonder if they'd be interested. We could go with the

[Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-07-26

2013-07-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
Hello all, Minutes from our QA meeting today are available here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/July_26 Our next QA Meeting will be in 2 weeks on August 9th. Agenda may be found here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/August_09 - - - - - - - New! QA

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] North America QA Online Chat

2013-07-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, So it looks like we have at least 5 people from North America who are interested in participating so I say let's do it. nifty! Date: August 2nd, 2013 Time: 1500 (EST) so for those on the west coast we're

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-website] Update from 3.6.7 as EOL

2013-07-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
[cc'ing QA, as they might have some suggestions here...] On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I do not know that 4.1.0 would be the best to start a user on, personallythat is. Some would say 3.6.7 would be best for business users, but

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] LibreOffice Help-Send Feedback BSA

2013-08-02 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: https://twitter.com/kittylyst/status/363311652076544000 Ben Evans @kittylyst 2h @Sweetshark1 That's not even the 4th most annoying thing about @bugzilla bug reporting. Now I'm really curious about the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] attachments and FR BSA

2013-08-08 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Today we received a new issue from the FR BSA. There was a document joined to the bug report from what said the reporter but the attachment didn't reach our qa list. Do you know if it's an issue with the FR BSA

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] attachments and FR BSA

2013-08-08 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: So the reporter just sent a mail to the list that he didn't find how to attach a document to the form. I can't test this evening but will do tomorrow and send you my feedback. I just took a quick look at the BSA code, and

[Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes

2013-08-11 Thread Robinson Tryon
Hi all, Minutes from our QA Meeting and our Pub Chat are available here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/August_09 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/August_02_NA_Pub_Chat Our next scheduled QA Meeting will be on August 23rd, and our next Pub Chat will be

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes

2013-08-12 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: I have troubles joining in august. I hope to be part of it in september Tommy -- Sorry to hear that you had trouble joining the call. Were you having technical difficulty? We might be able to help you triage the problem :-) --R

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration Plan

2013-08-12 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Jochen oo...@jochenschiffers.de wrote: Hi Robinson, my thoughts are 1) wow - great idea and good plan/implementation Thanks! We hope that people like it :-) Then 2) What benefits? There are a number of reasons for us to migrate to our own bugtracker. Off

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration Plan

2013-08-12 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 3:58 PM, bfoman bfo.bugm...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Robinson Tryon wrote 1) Ping our users: - Ask our FDO users for permission to include their accounts/data in the new install (this could be as simple as a mass-email asking for them to reply back to us, or a small

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration Plan

2013-08-13 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Petr Mladek pmla...@suse.cz wrote: It would be great to avoid the ask for permission step if possible. It would be a lot of work. It would be a lot of work; yes, we should ask a lawyer :-) Note that the overloaded FDO bugzilla admins would need to extract

[Libreoffice-qa] QA, say hello to ProjectLibre

2013-08-13 Thread Robinson Tryon
Marc O'Brien, co-founder of ProjectLibre, stopped by the dev list to say hi (see his message at the end of this email). Marc - Please feel welcome to ping the QA Team on this list or to stop by our IRC channel on freenode (#libreoffice-qa). If you have any questions about how we approach QA or

[Libreoffice-qa] QA Call Reminder: Friday @ 13:00 UTC

2013-08-22 Thread Robinson Tryon
Hi all, Our bi-weekly public QA Call is tomorrow. All are welcome! The Agenda and information for joining-in are available here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/August_23 Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] get rid of the (see in summary) version field

2013-08-22 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: I think it's useless both on freedesktop and BSA. few users use that and most of the time they use inappropriately (I cleaned up some reports with see in summary tag but no version indicated in the summary). I think it should be

[Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23

2013-08-23 Thread Robinson Tryon
Hi all, Minutes from today's QA Meeting are available here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/August_23 Our next QA Meeting will be in 2 weeks: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Meetings/2013/September_06 I hope everyone has had a wonderful Friday and (weather

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Call Time

2013-08-23 Thread Robinson Tryon
Hi everyone, I'm resurrecting this thread to let you know that we're going to revisit the QA Call Time and the 'Pub Chat' Time in about a month, after the LibreOffice Conference. Between the primary QA Meetings and the 'Pub Chats,' we hope that everyone who's involved with QA is able to find a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23

2013-08-27 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: AFAIK the bibisect is a Linux thing and there's nothing like this on Windows. Window user can however do manual regression tests using the portable X-LibreOffice version developed from winPenPack. here's their repository including

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23

2013-08-27 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:19 PM, bjoern bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: Hi, On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:58:23AM -0400, Robinson Tryon wrote: Assuming that those builds can be unzipped and run, if we shoved those builds into a git repo we could (potentially) get a similar workflow

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23

2013-08-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Tommy ba...@quipo.it wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 18:29:50 +0200, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming that those builds can be unzipped and run... those .zip files once unzipped before running do a brief initial setup asking which

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Meeting Minutes - 2013-08-23

2013-08-28 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hi, Why not simply use a parallel Installation? [bibisect repo with release versions for Windows] I think that there are a number of really good advantages to using a bibisect repo over multiple installs,

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