Re: A must read for license law

2004-03-16 Thread Russell McOrmond
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, daniel wallace wrote: This confusion gives rise to the myth that a copyright license is not a contract. I've read what you wrote, and I have read and heard what Eben Moglen has said on this topic. IANAL, and I don't live in the United States, but given the conflict in

Re: A must read for license law

2004-03-16 Thread daniel wallace
Eben Moglen's theory of: Licenses are not contracts: the work's user is obliged to remain within the bounds of the license not because she voluntarily promised, but because she doesn't have any right to act at all except as the license permits. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/enforcing-gpl.html is

Re: A must read for license law

2004-03-16 Thread fwilf
daniel wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eben Moglen's theory of: Licenses are not contracts: ... is simply legal nonsense. This is basic stuff. A license is a permission that can be granted on a unilateral basis (e.g., I grant you a license or permission to re-post this message), whether or

Re: A must read for license law

2004-03-16 Thread clay graham
a big sigh and yawwwn to mr. troll. look, I don't mind an open discussion, but clearly that is not your intent. by placing words like nonsense in your positions you remove your self from the objective conversation. Clay On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 03:41, daniel wallace wrote: Eben Moglen's theory

RE:Adaptive Public License

2004-03-16 Thread Jason McKerr
I think this license is a good step. It addresses a number of the concerns typically voiced by universities and colleges when they move to do Open Source development and release. The jurisdictional section is particularly well designed for University use. At the Open Source Lab, we typically do

Re: LAB Public License proposal

2004-03-16 Thread DJ Anubis
Le lundi 15 Mars 2004 21:35, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. a écrit : It might help if you highlighted the changes (using color text or bold facing). Is your explanation as to why you have declined to adopt the CUA Office Public License limited to the desire to comply with regulations in three

For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Larry Masters
Just wanted to bring this up again. Did not have any comments on it before. Also would like some input from others if you think this covers derivatives, or other projects based on the licensed projects code. Hi I would like to submit the Open Project Public License (OPPL) for OSI compliance.

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Larry Masters wrote: 1. You are granted the non-exclusive rights set forth in this license provided you agree to and comply with any and all conditions in this license. Whole or partial distribution of the Software, items that link with the Software, items that link with

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Larry Masters
Alex, Do you think section 5 covers this? 5. You may use the original or modified versions of the Software to link, run, or interact in anyway with application programs or components legally developed by you or by others. Larry E. Masters Alex Rousskov wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Larry Masters

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Larry Masters
Alex, Under section 5 the user would be able to use the editor if the editor was legally created or obtained. At least this is what I would think. May have to put this back on the drawing board. Basically what we are wanting to do with the license is control code created to work with the

Re: LAB Public License proposal

2004-03-16 Thread Ernest Prabhakar
Hi DJ, On Mar 16, 2004, at 10:26 AM, DJ Anubis wrote: Le lundi 15 Mars 2004 21:35, Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M. a crit: It might help if you highlighted the changes (using color text or bold facing). Is your explanation as to why you have declined to adopt the CUA Office Public License limited to the

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread John Cowan
Larry Masters scripsit: May have to put this back on the drawing board. Basically what we are wanting to do with the license is control code created to work with the licensed software, control meaning that any software created to work with it must be released under the same license and

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Larry Masters wrote: Under section 5 the user would be able to use the editor if the editor was legally created or obtained. At least this is what I would think. Agreed. My concern is not about the user of the editor, but about the author of the editor. It seems odd to

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Larry Masters
John, I do not agree that the GPL would work for this. I have seen problems in other projects where someone creates an program to work with another program but the source code is not released because it is argued that the new program is not derived from the other, which with my understanding

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Larry Masters wrote: I have seen problems in other projects where someone creates an program to work with another program but the source code is not released because it is argued that the new program is not derived from the other, which with my understanding of the GPL

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread John Cowan
Larry Masters scripsit: I have seen problems in other projects where someone creates an program to work with another program but the source code is not released because it is argued that the new program is not derived from the other, which with my understanding of the GPL and US copyright

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Larry Masters
John and Alex, How does this sound? Original QPL version: 1. You are granted the non-exclusive rights set forth in this license provided you agree to and comply with any and all conditions in this license. Whole or partial distribution of the Software, or software items that link with the

Re: For Approval: Open Project Public License (OPPL)

2004-03-16 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Larry Masters wrote: Whole or partial distribution of the Software, *items that link with the Software, items that link with a component of the Software, or* items that interact with any portion of the Software to form an extended version of the Software signifies