Distributed Copyright: Libre, not free beer

2001-01-18 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Russell Nelson wrote: Manfred Schmid writes: I hereby request an official Board statement: Does OSI approval of licenses require the software to be free in the sense of "free beer"? [ I prefer to use the terms "gratis" and "libre". In English, "free" means both

[License-discuss] a Free Island Public License?

2011-12-15 Thread Clark C. Evans
I'd love your high-level thoughts on a Free Island license or anything that might be similar in nature. ... FREE ISLAND PUBLIC LICENSE (v0.2 on 12 DEC 2011) This software is licensed for any purpose excepting the right to make publicly available derived works which depend exclusively upon

Re: [License-discuss] a Free Island Public License?

2011-12-16 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Fri, Dec 16, 2011, at 04:33 PM, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: | This software is licensed for any purpose excepting the right to | make publicly available derived works which depend exclusively | upon non-free components. I believe these could be understood to conflict with: - ``The freedom

[License-discuss] GPL and proprietary WebAPIs

2011-12-20 Thread Clark C. Evans
I have a broad question about various interpretations of the GPL with regard to WebAPIs. Let me start with an example scenario. 1. Suppose that Super Visual is a clever GPL licensed data visualization program (released by Vendor A). 2. Now suppose that there is a closed-source, but free to

Re: [License-discuss] GPL and proprietary WebAPIs

2011-12-22 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 03:01 AM, Chris Travers wrote: | Let's suppose that I've working on a Ledger++ program | which is a proprietary version of your Ledger SMB that | adds awesome multi-state Payroll and Asset Depreciation | features. Only rather than including these features | in your

Re: [License-discuss] GPL and proprietary WebAPIs

2011-12-22 Thread Clark C. Evans
I found a tangible example of what I'm referring to, complete with wonderful visuals. Chris Kleisath at Sybase describes how they circumvent the GPL license by using intermediate APIs to link proprietary functionality with GPL licensed works. Is Chris correct? For GPLv2? For GPLv3?

Re: [License-discuss] Greetings, Earthlings! Need quotes for article

2011-12-22 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011, at 04:28 PM, John Cowan wrote: Sybase Open Watcom Public License 1.0 http://www.opensource.org/licenses/Watcom-1.0 I don't see anything wrong with this MPL variant either. This license seems to have two interesting conditions. First, it requires a

Re: [License-discuss] GPL and proprietary WebAPIs

2011-12-25 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 01:34 PM, Rick Moen wrote: You know, Clark: Speaking for myself, I have no interest in advising querents about how closely they can lawfully skirt the requirements of copyleft licences, or how they can creatively circumvent those requirements entirely, in order

Re: [License-discuss] GPL and proprietary WebAPIs

2011-12-25 Thread Clark C. Evans
Rick, My question is rather straight-forward. Does the GPLv3 permit the distribution of derived works that require an independent and non-free work for its operation [1]. I was under the impression that the Corresponding Source (all the source code needed to... run the object code) and 5c (the

Re: [License-discuss] GPL and proprietary WebAPIs

2011-12-26 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Sun, Dec 25, 2011, at 01:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Clark C. Evans (c...@clarkevans.com): What confuses me and what I'm asking here is why licensing professionals focus on two items that I consider irrelevant: (a) what is the type of linking between D and P? ... (b) is D

Re: [License-discuss] GPL and proprietary WebAPIs

2011-12-27 Thread Clark C. Evans
John, Thank you for your reply. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011, at 11:18 AM, John Cowan wrote: Does the GPL prevent the distribution of M if the work it relies upon, P, isn't compatibly licensed? Web browsers rely on web servers to provide most of their function (take it from someone who was

[License-discuss] a GPLv3 compatible attribution for MIT/BSD?

2012-01-14 Thread Clark C. Evans
Good Morning! Our company is releasing a medical informatics platform, RexDB, under the GPLv3 license later this year (after the code has a developer documentation). We will be using 7b clause of the GPLv3 license for a reasonable author attribution. Even so, parts of our system will be

Re: [License-discuss] a GPLv3 compatible attribution for MIT/BSD?

2012-01-22 Thread Clark C. Evans
So that we can track changes in the license draft and corresponding interpretation, please visit the GitHub project... https://github.com/hattip/fmn Thank you kindly, Clark ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org

Re: [License-discuss] a GPLv3 compatible attribution for MIT/BSD?

2012-01-22 Thread Clark C. Evans
Sorry, the repository is https://github.com/tip-o-the-hat/fmn#readme ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss

Re: [License-discuss] TCPDF license: LGPLv3 + a special clause: is this still considered Open Source?

2012-02-01 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 01:55 AM, Chris Travers wrote: Does the GPL v3 give you the permission to drop legitimate copyright notices from software or accompanying documentation? As you note, the GPLv3 7b provides the right to require the preservation of legal notices and author attributions in

Re: [License-discuss] a GPLv3 compatible attribution for MIT/BSD?

2012-02-01 Thread Clark C. Evans
Karl Rick, I'm proposing that we implement a open source catalog and credit system so that it is convenient for applications to display a graphical screen (or textual menu) listing all of a works component parts, information about them, copyright statements, license information, perhaps

Re: [License-discuss] a GPLv3 compatible attribution for MIT/BSD?

2012-02-01 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 05:16 PM, Karl Fogel wrote: Rick Moen wrote: I'm generally doubtful about new licences without a really compelling reason, and the whole sordid badgeware episode from 2006-7 tends to make me particularly skeptical of novel licences talking about 'reasonable

Re: [License-discuss] a GPLv3 compatible attribution for MIT/BSD?

2012-02-01 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Richard Fontana wrote: A key thing which I've seen abused is an elimination of the intended limited scope of the Appropriate Legal Notices requirement. While in theory a GPLv3 licensee may be subject to this requirement under some circumstances, the way one

Re: [License-discuss] [License-review] Submitting CC0 for OSI approval

2012-02-18 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012, at 03:22 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: | Given CC0 expresses a willingness to license, surely an estoppel | is created regardless of whether the abandonment is effective? I'm not a legal professional, but I think it's the exact opposite, in *no* case is a patent license granted:

[License-discuss] What would be necessary to consider the unlicense?

2012-02-26 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012, at 03:03 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:28:03AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: Defective efforts like 'Unlicense' are what happens when naive coders attempt to create permissive licences, with results about as sad and unfortunate as would be the case if

Re: [License-discuss] What would be necessary to consider the unlicense?

2012-02-26 Thread Clark C. Evans
I am having trouble finding a benefit that would come from fixing it, that we don't already have from short-and-sweet licenses like BSD. So, what makes unlicense and these public domain statements alluring is that they serve as vehicles for their authors make a statement about public policy.

Re: [License-discuss] License which requires watermarking? (Attribution Provision)

2012-12-27 Thread Clark C. Evans
Therefore should say on all interface screens Foo, a project by Google or, if a fork: Bar, a fork of the Google project Foo with a link back to its github repo. This requirement is just too asymmetric. What about credit to the database glue you use? What about the language? What

Re: [License-discuss] Open Source Eventually License Development

2013-08-19 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013, at 02:25 PM, Eben Moglen wrote: You seem determined to take offense, Mr Cowan. Dr. Moglen, I'd like to highlight Cowan's advice since I've found it very helpful (and completely un-obvious) in my own life: Civil apologies require confession, contrition, and

Re: [License-discuss] Unlicense CC0 and patents

2013-08-22 Thread Clark C. Evans
Prashant Shah wrote: CC0 explicitly states that it doesn't grant patent rights if there are any. Is this not going against the purpose of putting the work in public domain itself? The rationale, as I understand, is that a group in a University or other large organization would like to make

Re: [License-discuss] Unlicense CC0 and patents

2013-08-23 Thread Clark C. Evans
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013, at 07:04 PM, Rick Moen wrote: The OSI couldn't come to an agreement on the fallback license, since it explicitly withheld patent rights [2]. Well, sort of. My recollection is that some of the folks on license-review including me merely suggested to CC that they