Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-24 Thread Sean Chittenden
. Unfortunately, too many people confuse Open Source with the GPL and/or Linux and I think the OSD correctly skirts this very issue and makes OSI more creditable in the process (thus averting the phrase, GNU Source/Linux Source vs. Open Source/Business Source). -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-24 Thread Sean Chittenden
. -sck -- Sean Chittenden OSSAL - Open Source Software Alliance License Table of Contents: Key Template Discussion Footnotes Download Comments, Questions, and Discussion KEY: Below is an OSSAL template. To generate your own license, change the values of AUTHOR, RELEASE, SOFTWARE

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-25 Thread Sean Chittenden
me know and I will either entertain such discussions privately, or if there is enough interest, setup a dedicated list for this topic... but please, it's not appropriate here. The OSI is not a political organization to advocate use of the GPL. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-25 Thread Sean Chittenden
OSSAL software would give the business the ability to create proprietary software, even though the non-core parts are most likely open and available to the public. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-25 Thread Sean Chittenden
happened, however. Having it explicitly stated doesn't hurt anyone, esp since this isn't the 1st time this has happened. http://slashdot.org/bsd/01/09/24/1432223.shtml -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-25 Thread Sean Chittenden
software developed will be available under terms friendly for businesses, which goes back to the point of me writing the OSSAL. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-25 Thread Sean Chittenden
Source is bigger than copyleft software. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-25 Thread Sean Chittenden
on the same medium must be open-source software. OSSAL restricts the use, yes. OSSAL does not, however, restrict distribution. I crafted these words to be very careful to comply with the OSD while preserving the intention of the license. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-25 Thread Sean Chittenden
or the MIT or the AFL or whatever. Which means duplicated work/effort, which is what the OSSAL aims to prevent. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-26 Thread Sean Chittenden
, however it does not for the reasons stated above. [snip] -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-26 Thread Sean Chittenden
the BSDL when appropriate. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-26 Thread Sean Chittenden
it as a result of some idealogical whim. I personally have invested roughly 1.5K hours in 2003 on this project, a little reciprocity/quid pro quo would be nice and that's what the OSSAL delivers me. As the license discussion states, if you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. -sc -- Sean Chittenden

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-26 Thread Sean Chittenden
means, let them improve a bit of code that they're going to have to maintain a fork of. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-26 Thread Sean Chittenden
. *) Maintaining souce code is expensive, reducing expenses is good. *) Quid pro quo between two or more businesses. Take your pick of any one of the above. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-26 Thread Sean Chittenden
it has received, and it has even been improved as a result. Thank you to those who have challenged it, I do appreciate it. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
discusses both. Well, from what I can tell, any conclusion that isn't the GPL seems to indicate a flaw in whoever's argumentation. :) -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
keep your promise on the distinction, don't post any more. Is it really that big of a deal if I call a widget manufacturer a business? Widget manufacturers are by and large businesses, though as stated above, I know the opposite isn't exclusively true. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
in their widgets. It's like the ultimate tease, which isn't cool in my book of ethics. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
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Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
it under the GPL because the AFL's patent poison-pill is GPL-incompatible. AFL patent poison-pill? -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
license may be more appropriate. For example Netscape uses (used?) this. All modified releases are to be publicly available (much like the GPL), but furthermore everyone who is not Sean Chittenden has to license his modifications to Sean under arbitrary terms. This allows Sean to do whatever he

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
, then maintaining those changes is expensive and it is in the businesses best interests to release those changes. The OSSAL prevents those changes from being licensed under the GPL, making those changes available to other widget makers. [snip] -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-27 Thread Sean Chittenden
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Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
and future versions don't have those changes, both companies have to burden the costs independently of maintaining those changes. Widget makers want to reduce costs and engineers are lazy and will punt the code as fast as they can. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
by alienating widget makers from depending on what should be freely available software that can be downloaded on the local mirror/CVSup server. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
intentions and isn't nearly as vitriolic or elegant as the original. I'm still crafting and will come up with another draft in a bit. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
resources to open source projects/modules. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
the OSSAL only prohibits the latter and not the former. Correct, that's for market forces to correct, not some chunk of legalese. See previous posts about why the GPL is not looked kindly upon by me or the OSSAL. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
this is a problem I'd solve with license restrictions. *still thinking about this* -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
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Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
and letting _open_ markets correct themselves. The Open Source world is as good of an open market as I've ever seen. [snip] -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
that I forget who has said what. -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3

Re: For Approval: Open Source Software Alliance License

2003-09-29 Thread Sean Chittenden
on GPL bits, which I'm not wild about. [snip] Enough meta-rambling; back to the debate... Whoa! Wait a sec, you mean code talks and there's more to software than its license? :) -sc -- Sean Chittenden -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3