Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Guilherme C. Hazan
Hi all, We have a product that is currently submitted using the LGPL license. Our product is a virtual machine + a class library. Our users create products using the class library and deploy their products with the class library and the virtual machine. We now want to change the license from

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread jcowan
Guilherme C. Hazan scripsit: We now want to change the license from part of the product to another one that states: 1. our software is and will ever be open-source 2. their software can have any license they want 3. they cannot distribute our software to their customers (or anyone else)

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The most you can do is to make further releases of your software proprietary, which does expose you to the risk that a competitor will arise who will make further improvements to the old releases and distribute them under the old license or some

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Guilherme C. Hazan
Hi Alex and John, Thank you for the feedback. The principle that open-source software can be freely distributed and redistributed is the very first point of the Open Source Definition. Really? I thought that open-source meaned that the guy can see and change the source, but not related to

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread jcowan
Alex Rousskov scripsit: Whether a serious competitor will arise using your LGPLed sources is most likely unrelated to the licensing issue. Since you are going to release the sources of your software (and allow modification?), Release in the sense that they will provide those sources to

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Guilherme C. Hazan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Really? I thought that open-source meaned that the guy can see and change the source, but not related to distribution. So, all OSI approved licenses state that the distribution is completely free? No. All OSI approved licenses state that if you

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Rousskov scripsit: Whether a serious competitor will arise using your LGPLed sources is most likely unrelated to the licensing issue. Since you are going to release the sources of your software (and allow modification?), Release in the

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread jcowan
Ian Lance Taylor scripsit: I don't understand why there are so many licenses, if the open-source specification is so rigid. I don't really understand it either. I mean, I know how we got here step by step, but looking at the situation now it doesn't make much sense. We have so many

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: I don't understand why there are so many licenses, if the open-source specification is so rigid. I don't really understand it either. I mean, I know how we got here step by step, but looking at the situation now it doesn't make much sense.

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Alex Rousskov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sources which may not be distributed are not open source. I strongly suggest that you not use that term. ... on this mailing list which is OSI-specific and uses OSI-specific terminology. I personally think it is to everyone's advantage if the term

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
On May 6, 2004, at 2:16 PM, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: I don't understand why there are so many licenses, if the open-source specification is so rigid. I don't really understand it either. I mean, I know how we got here step by step, but looking at the situation now it doesn't make much sense. The

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread jcowan
Chuck Swiger scripsit: The list of OSI-approved licenses includes near-duplicates such as the BSD license versus the SleepyCat license or the University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License, for one thing. A tricky example, actually, since the Sleepycat license is reciprocal: you have to

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: I personally think it is to nobody's advantage to permit this term to be twisted to the point where it can be used to describe software which may not be redistributed freely. It is not clear to me whether the term is twisted by adding restrictions

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Guilherme C. Hazan
Hi, Can someone tell me why this product is OSI certified? (see logo at the site) http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/index.html Their license is clearly distribution-limited: http://www.gluecode.com/website/html/prod_licensing.htm thanks guich ps: it would be nice if the mail-list

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Chuck Swiger wrote: Others who have suggested that the list of approved licenses is going to continue to grow are very likely right, but is that a problem? Sure it is. Software writers spend more time selecting among mostly identical licenses and software users spend more

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have so many licenses because of the Not Invented Here principle: lawyers don't want to adopt the work of other lawyers as is, because how could they justify their fees then? I am sure that's a part of the problem. However, I am curious how many

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Mitchell Baker
Actually, I think there are other reasons beyond the lawyer, and understanding them would be helpful to any hope of progress. Many people have an idea of how they want to run their business or project and want a license that is geared to their plans. Lacking a good understanding of how hard a

RE: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Lawrence Rosen
Alex Rousskov wrote: Is there any active cooperation between OSI leaders and CC leaders to build a common interface to good software licenses? Or are we going to see yet another fragmentation here? What makes you think there isn't already active cooperation? I know from personal experience

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
On May 6, 2004, at 3:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chuck Swiger scripsit: The list of OSI-approved licenses includes near-duplicates such as the BSD license versus the SleepyCat license or the University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License, for one thing. A tricky example, actually, since the

RE: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 6 May 2004, Lawrence Rosen wrote: Alex Rousskov wrote: Is there any active cooperation between OSI leaders and CC leaders to build a common interface to good software licenses? Or are we going to see yet another fragmentation here? What makes you think there isn't already active

Re: Submitting a new license or using the current ones

2004-05-06 Thread Rod Dixon, J.D., LL.M.
: On Thu, 6 May 2004, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: : : I don't understand why there are so many licenses, if the : open-source specification is so rigid. : : I don't really understand it either. I mean, I know how we got here : step by step, but looking at the situation now it doesn't make