Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-20 Thread Ruth A. Kramer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the GPL does say: if one person cannot receive and redistribute, no one can, at least within a single country. I didn't see anyone else respond to this -- did I miss something? Is this your reference? (from Version 2, June 1991) quote 8. If the distribution

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread John Cowan
Ian Jackson scripsit: Is distribution of R still impossible because Stallman can't use it? Yes, it's impossible. This is exactly what the GPL is designed to do. So it's `regrettable' only if you don't agree with the GPL's goals. I agree with the GPL's authors, who consider this

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
John Cowan wrote: Now I point out that there are various persons who, as a condition of their parole or probation, are not permitted to touch computers. Does that mean others are forbidden from *giving* them software, or they violate their parole if they _receive_ software? In other words,

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread Ian Jackson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL): Is distribution of R still impossible because Stallman can't use it? Yes, it's impossible. This is exactly what the GPL is designed to do. So it's `regrettable' only if you don't agree with the GPL's goals. I

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread Richard Stallman
Now this all seems extremely unfortunate to me. Suppose I file for a patent P, the practice of which is required to run program R released under the GPL. Normally, distribution of R would be impossible. But suppose I issue the following public license: Everyone is allowed to

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread Mahesh T. Pai
John Cowan said on Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 08:23:01AM -0500,: Now I point out that there are various persons who, as a condition of their parole or probation, are not permitted to touch computers. Distribution of GNU software to them is forbidden by law, and if they do happen to have GNU

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread Alex Rousskov
On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Mahesh T. Pai wrote: Therefore, the distribution of all GPLed software is, at least in the U.S., forbidden by the terms of the GPL, and should come to a screeching halt. I have spoken. This is a logical fallcay. I fail to recall tht exact term. But the rule is

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread jcowan
Mahesh T. Pai scripsit: That is a problem with the law, not with the GNU GPL. The GPL ccannot, and does not seek to override the law. But the GPL does say: if one person cannot receive and redistribute, no one can, at least within a single country. You need to clarify what you mean by

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread Bjorn Reese
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 14:23, John Cowan wrote: Therefore, the distribution of all GPLed software is, at least in the U.S., forbidden by the terms of the GPL, and should come to a screeching halt. I have spoken. The probationer is not prevented from distributing the software because of patent

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-19 Thread Arnoud Engelfriet
Bjorn Reese wrote: On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 14:23, John Cowan wrote: Therefore, the distribution of all GPLed software is, at least in the U.S., forbidden by the terms of the GPL, and should come to a screeching halt. I have spoken. The probationer is not prevented from distributing the

The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-18 Thread jcowan
A private mail drew to my attention the following sentence in Section 7 of the GPLv2: For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by *all* those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you

Re: The regrettable use of all in Section 7 of the GPL

2004-02-18 Thread Seth Johnson
Yes, its distribution is still impossible. The GPL preserves its generality through the generality of the provenance of copyright. Various licenses may assert all manner of things, but the principled position of the GPL inherently applies in this case. (Or so I would say by way of taking a