[License-discuss] FOSS takes precedence in Italy

2012-09-06 Thread Simone Aliprandi
Hi all, maybe someone here would find interesting this concise writeup on what the prefer FOSS new rule in Italy for Public Administrations is: http://aliprandi.blogspot.it/2012/08/free-and-open-source-software-takes.html It is not properly a license discussion but I believe it is quite important.

Re: [License-discuss] FOSS takes precedence in Italy

2012-09-06 Thread Casey Rodarmor
Thanks for sharing! It makes me feel optimistic about the world :) On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Simone Aliprandi simone.alipra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, maybe someone here would find interesting this concise writeup on what the prefer FOSS new rule in Italy for Public Administrations is:

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 02:37:38PM -0700, Lawrence Rosen wrote: Is distribution of the *link* to the license sufficient compliance with this requirement? For licenses that appear literally to require inclusion of a copy of the license text? I have wondered whether we ought to start treating

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting John Cowan (co...@mercury.ccil.org): The difficulty is that text often winds up in printed books, and then you either have to distribute a CD with the book containing the editable source, or be prepared to issue such CDs for no more than the cost of distributing them. Both are

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Rick Moen r...@linuxmafia.com wrote: Quoting Luis Villa (l...@tieguy.org): More specifically, CC does it with the requirement in the license that attribution notices link to the canonical text. Many OSS software licenses, unfortunately, require distribution of

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Mike Linksvayer (m...@gondwanaland.com): GFDL requires copy of license text. And you thought 'waiver' meant...? Anyway, I like the option to refer to a license rather than include it That would be one sort of provision a waiver might state.

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 05:45:00PM -0400, John Cowan wrote: Rick Moen scripsit: Years ago, I reminded readers on this mailing list that possibly useful reciprocal licences for non-software use by people disliking GFDL include GPLv2, and that FSF even published a piece explaining the

[License-discuss] licenses and software in books

2012-09-06 Thread Bruce Perens
So, I have 24 titles in my old book series that have mostly dealt with this issue. Conveying the license text in print form is not an odious requirement. There are 200 to 400 pages of tutorial material, to dedicate two to a small-print rendition of GPL is no hardship. Nobody ever requested

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Bruce Perens
On 09/06/2012 03:07 PM, Luis Villa wrote: Custom waivers (particularly for something trivial like this) are just another form of the same mess. Posit that I am creating a version of the old Lyons Unix book, containing the Linux source code. How many copyright holders must grant me a waiver? Is

Re: [License-discuss] licenses and software in books

2012-09-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Bruce Perens (br...@perens.com): Nobody ever requested the source code on a CD. Where appropriate, it was available for download. If anyone tries to contest that download is not an appropriate medium under the terms GPL2, they are doing it to be difficult, not to get the source. We

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Luis Villa (l...@tieguy.org): As a practical matter, indicating, tracking and relying on waiver is a bit of a pain. e.g., lets say upstream says: I give you a copy of the license this work is licensed under by pointing you at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html; The

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:07:44PM -0700, Luis Villa wrote: As a practical matter, indicating, tracking and relying on waiver is a bit of a pain. e.g., lets say upstream says: I give you a copy of the license this work is licensed under by pointing you at

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Lawrence Rosen
That's unfortunate, because I advise it all the time for all licenses. Anything more is a waste of time. And my clients have never been sued for posting a link instead of a license. Maybe we are lucky??? /Larry (from my tablet and brief) Luis Villa l...@tieguy.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 06:13:11PM -0400, John Cowan wrote: Richard Fontana scripsit: That assumes that the printed text is not source code in the sense meant in sections 1 and 2 of GPLv2 but is instead object code or executable form (section 3). I believe the better interpretation of

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Luis Villa
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com wrote: That's unfortunate, because I advise it all the time for all licenses. Anything more is a waste of time. And my clients have never been sued for posting a link instead of a license. Maybe we are lucky??? The problem is

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Johnny Solbu
On Thursday 06 September 2012 21:14, Lawrence Rosen wrote: I think it would be FAR more useful to have a simple license statement in the source tree of each program that points to the OFFICIAL version of that license on the OSI website. But it force the user to have internet access in order

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Johnny Solbu (joh...@solbu.net): On Thursday 06 September 2012 21:14, Lawrence Rosen wrote: I think it would be FAR more useful to have a simple license statement in the source tree of each program that points to the OFFICIAL version of that license on the OSI website. But it

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Bruce Perens
Larry wrote: I think it would be FAR more useful to have a simple license statement in the source tree of each program that points to the OFFICIAL version of that license on the OSI website. You are very optimistic regarding the longevity of OSI. attachment: bruce.vcf smime.p7s Description:

Re: [License-discuss] plain text license versions?

2012-09-06 Thread Karl Fogel
Lawrence Rosen lro...@rosenlaw.com writes: I'd count that as another reason *not* to provide plain text license files. I think it would be FAR more useful to have a simple license statement in the source tree of each program that points to the OFFICIAL version of that license on the OSI website.