Re: GUB on kainhofer: still cross/gcc

2009-06-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op zondag 31-05-2009 om 22:49 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: Anybody else? Particularly on ubuntu systems? FWIW, I'm doing GUB builds on ubuntu. None of the other places I put -fno-stack-protector had any effect, so I was just trying everything. :( Yeah, I know that mode.

Re: GUB on kainhofer: still cross/gcc

2009-06-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op maandag 01-06-2009 om 05:23 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: I'm not convinced that GUB even knows which file to use; the build commands contain -O2 -g -g -O2 -O2 -O2 -g -g -O2. Surely only one -O2 -g matters? Yes, this has little to do with GUB. In an autotools build

Savannah is up again

2009-06-02 Thread Francisco Vila
As you will know, the history now on Savannah has not May from backup, is there anything we can do? I assume it will be disasterous to make pushes now. My history has: 6f1239a421e , a merge from Till as the last commit on lilypond/translation, May 28 20:10:33 b64489a34b5 , LSR: Update from Neil

Re: Savannah is up again

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
According to http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5828 a push is precisely what we should do -- since git is a decentralized source control system, that will upload all the missing history. HOWEVER, I'm not going to do that myself, nor do I encourage you to do so. I suggest that we

Re: Savannah is up again

2009-06-02 Thread John Mandereau
Graham Percival a écrit : According to http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5828 a push is precisely what we should do -- since git is a decentralized source control system, that will upload all the missing history. Of course. Let's hope everybody who has pushed to Git between

Re: Savannah is up again

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:39:08AM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Graham Percival a écrit : According to http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5828 a push is precisely what we should do -- since git is a decentralized source control system, that will upload all the missing

Re: Savannah is up again

2009-06-02 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, John Mandereau wrote: Graham Percival a écrit : According to http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5828 a push is precisely what we should do -- since git is a decentralized source control system, that will upload all the missing history.

Re: Savannah is up again

2009-06-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/6/2 John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com: Don't worry, if you have something to push, just do it; the only difference If for 'something to push' you mean 'the last month's worth of everybody's commits' then yes, I have something. But mine could not be the most uptodate history. Also, I

Re: GUB on kainhofer: still cross/gcc

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:12:35AM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op zondag 31-05-2009 om 22:49 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: None of the other places I put -fno-stack-protector had any effect, so I was just trying everything. :( Yeah, I know that mode. Sometimes it

Re: GUB on kainhofer: still cross/gcc

2009-06-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 03:05 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: Anyway, with this patch, the darwin-x86::cross/gcc build succeedes: Great. I've just pushed this, with an extra if: if self.build_bits == '32' and self.build_hardware_bits == '64': to narrow down the

Re: Cron 404 report

2009-06-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op donderdag 28-05-2009 om 05:25 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Jan Nieuwenhuizen: popularity page [referrer]... 180 /web/favicon.ico 175 /web/favicon.gif Should we be adding a copy of favicon.ico to web/? 170 /doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Tutorial.html Why is

Re: Better MIDI

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Chubb
Peter == Peter Chubb lily.u...@chubb.wattle.id.au writes: Peter Hi, Peter I've put up a page on how to get more realistic sounding MIDI Peter output from current LilyPond, along with the scripts and scheme Peter code used, at http://www.nicta.com.au/people/chubbp/articulate And I've now

Re: Cron 404 report

2009-06-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/6/2 Jan Nieuwenhuizen janneke-l...@xs4all.nl: Op donderdag 28-05-2009 om 05:25 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Jan Nieuwenhuizen: popularity page            [referrer]...   180 /web/favicon.ico   175 /web/favicon.gif Should we be adding a copy of favicon.ico to web/? We have not any

Re: Savannah is up again

2009-06-02 Thread Carl D. Sorensen
On 6/2/09 2:55 AM, Johannes Schindelin johannes.schinde...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, John Mandereau wrote: Graham Percival a écrit : According to http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5828 a push is precisely what we should do -- since git is a decentralized

savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Hello guys - Savannah is back up. I have pushed the last commit I have (april 14, a MusicXML change by Reinhold). Can someone push a more recent version? I think there were changes after that. Also, if anyone made changes on other branches besides master, please push them again (I am thinking

Re: Savannah is up again

2009-06-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
I have pushed the web branch to commit 9585a1c690f11a983bba45108560600a4d9d2f33 Author: Harmath Dénes harmathde...@gmail.com Date: Thu May 28 04:50:24 2009 +0200 Translated help page; minor corrections please push if we have anything newer. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Graham Percival

lilypond 2.13.1 up

2009-06-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Hi guys, I pushed a new lily release (actually that happened on sunday, but due to the savannah problems, the website did not show it). It was made with an updated GUB version (it now ships Ghostscript 8.65). Please have a ride and tell me if there are problems. It did run successfully under

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread John Mandereau
Hi Han-Wen, Han-Wen Nienhuys a écrit : Savannah is back up. I have pushed the last commit I have (april 14, a MusicXML change by Reinhold). Can someone push a more recent version? I think there were changes after that. Also, if anyone made changes on other branches besides master, please push

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 10:16 uur [tijdzone -0300], schreef Han-Wen Nienhuys: Can someone push a more recent version? I think there were changes after that. Also, if anyone made changes on other branches besides master, please push them again (I am thinking of GDP and the frogs, in

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread John Mandereau
John Mandereau a écrit : I just pushed the following head to master: BTW I advise all people with Git push access to pull master with --rebase flag before pushing again his recent changes. People who notice the shape of the history I pushed will understand the reason :-/ Note that I didn't

Re: Cron 404 report

2009-06-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 12:59 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Francisco Vila: Should we be adding a copy of favicon.ico to web/? We have not any references to favicon. Pages in either directory show correcly their url icon, so it does not have sense to make pages on web/ explicitly point to

Re: GUB on kainhofer: still cross/gcc

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:28:29PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 03:05 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: Anyway, with this patch, the darwin-x86::cross/gcc build succeedes: Great. I've just pushed this, with an extra if: if

Re: lilypond 2.13.1 up

2009-06-02 Thread -Eluze
Han-Wen Nienhuys-5 wrote: Please have a ride and tell me if there are problems. under windows vista i always get the annoying message (lilypond.exe:768): GLib-WARNING **: Passing a non-NULL package to g_win32_get_package_installation_directory() is deprecated and it is ignored. Solving

Re: lilypond 2.13.1 up

2009-06-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
Is this a new warning, or do old versions also exhibit this? On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, -Eluze elu...@gmail.com wrote: Please have a ride and tell me if there are problems. under windows vista i always get the annoying message (lilypond.exe:768): GLib-WARNING **: Passing a non-NULL

Re: GUB on kainhofer: still cross/gcc

2009-06-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 07:02 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:28:29PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 03:05 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: Anyway, with this patch, the darwin-x86::cross/gcc build

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 03:32:50PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: It seems we're now back @ May28. However, I just (intentionally) deleted the gub branch (again). Gub lives at http://github.com/janneke/gub/tree/master Would this be a nice moment to split off web into its own

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 10:16:48AM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: Can someone push a more recent version? I think there were changes after that. Also, if anyone made changes on other branches besides master, please push them again (I am thinking of GDP and the frogs, in particular). GDP and

meta-proposal

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
What do people think about adding an extra mailing list: lilypond-proposals? This would be a LOW-volume list for developers to get feedback about changes (from both other developers and, in some cases, users). Proposals and questions would *only* be sent by developers who were willing to do all

Re: lilypond 2.13.1 up

2009-06-02 Thread -Eluze
Han-Wen Nienhuys-5 wrote: Is this a new warning, or do old versions also exhibit this? it is new! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/lilypond-2.13.1-up-tp23832510p23834585.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I'm a bit unhappy about personally-named repos like /janneke/. Would it be possible to get a p=lilypond-web or somesuch at git.savannah.gnu.org ? I think that should be no problem. Can you open the appropriate

Re: GUB on kainhofer: still cross/gcc

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 04:30:36PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 07:02 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham Percival: 1) this affects darwin-x86, not darwin-ppc. (at least, I haven't tested darwin-ppc, only darwin-x86). Interesting. I missed that bit. Your

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:13:25PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: I'm a bit unhappy about personally-named repos like /janneke/. Would it be possible to get a p=lilypond-web or somesuch at

Re: meta-proposal

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Graham Percival wrote: What do people think about adding an extra mailing list: lilypond-proposals? Would this include Documentation proposals from people willing to do them? This would be a LOW-volume list for developers to get feedback about changes (from both other developers and, in

Re: meta-proposal

2009-06-02 Thread Werner LEMBERG
What do people think about adding an extra mailing list: lilypond-proposals? I dislike that. Two lists are fully sufficient IMHO. Probably all lilypond-devel readers would subscribe that too, so where's the benefit? It makes discussion more complicated if someone is discussing a problem on

Re: meta-proposal

2009-06-02 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: What do people think about adding an extra mailing list: lilypond-proposals? I agree with Werner; I think it is overkill. If you want to have more process, we could try add [PROPOSAL] or RFD: to the subject line

Re: lilypond 2.13.1 up

2009-06-02 Thread -Eluze
don't know if it is helpful, but in another score i get the same message with a different number (line?) (lilypond.exe:560): GLib-WARNING **: Passing a non-NULL package to g_win32_get_package_installation_directory() is deprecated and it is ignored. -- View this message in context:

Re: meta-proposal

2009-06-02 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Dienstag, 2. Juni 2009 16:58:38 schrieb Graham Percival: Recent questions that I think would qualify: - splitting web/ into a separate git repository. - syntax for the postfix crescendi/decrescendi stuff. - what we need to include in 2.14 (i.e. what do we delay it for, not what do we

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Werner LEMBERG wrote: What do you guys think of including a sample Makefile somewhere in the documentation? Good idea! Perhaps we can manage to avoid GNU make extensions so that poor Windows users have a chance to try nmake. Werner I've been working on it for a while now and have

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread John Mandereau
Jonathan Kulp a écrit : I'd be especially keen to hear if someone has a better way to display the directory structure of the sample project, as it takes up quite a bit of space. I'd recommend using `tree'. Cheers, John ___ lilypond-devel mailing

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/6/2 John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com: and the following to lilypond/translation: Author: Francisco Vila francisco.v...@hispalinux.es  2009-05-22 20:36:03 Committer: Francisco Vila francisco.v...@hispalinux.es  2009-05-22 20:37:21 Parent: cd5841ae36a9f770f65833e928ccbfcce198a249

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
John Mandereau wrote: Jonathan Kulp a écrit : I'd be especially keen to hear if someone has a better way to display the directory structure of the sample project, as it takes up quite a bit of space. I'd recommend using `tree'. Cheers, John Genius tool, John! Thanks! That works much

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Op dinsdag 02-06-2009 om 07:48 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Graham I'm a bit unhappy about personally-named repos like /janneke/. Me too. I had no idea that creating a public oss repo on github is done below the user's account. Please create github.com/gub as a fork of /janneke/gub and I'll

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Werner LEMBERG
http://www.jonathankulp.com/makefiles.pdf . What does the `$' in the directory structure stands for? . There's a severe error in the `%.pdf %.midi' rule: Its command is not indented! You have to convert the `tab' characters into something different (probably eight spaces) to get proper

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Werner LEMBERG wrote: http://www.jonathankulp.com/makefiles.pdf . What does the `$' in the directory structure stands for? . There's a severe error in the `%.pdf %.midi' rule: Its command is not indented! You have to convert the `tab' characters into something different (probably eight

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Trevor Daniels
Jonathan Kulp wrote Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:23 PM Werner LEMBERG wrote: What do you guys think of including a sample Makefile somewhere in the documentation? Good idea! Perhaps we can manage to avoid GNU make extensions so that poor Windows users have a chance to try nmake.

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/6/2 John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com: I just pushed the following head to master: Author: Neil Puttock n.putt...@gmail.com  2009-05-28 21:10:33 Committer: John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com  2009-06-02 15:17:02 Parent: 25a8f865167d709555d356df7df5c89b011b3670 (Remove

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Trevor Daniels wrote: I've been working on it for a while now and have added a section on Makefiles to working.itely, the very last thing in the LM that appears before all the templates. I would welcome comments on it before I commit and make a patch. A pdf of the appropriate section is

Re: Better MIDI

2009-06-02 Thread Hans Aberg
On 2 Jun 2009, at 01:29, Peter Chubb wrote: I've put up a page on how to get more realistic sounding MIDI output from current LilyPond, along with the scripts and scheme code used, at http://www.nicta.com.au/people/chubbp/articulate (Isn't there a timing problem at the second triplet?)

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I think I've cleaned up all of the indentation problems Werner pointed out [...] I'm still not happy. Use only tabs (which translates to eight spaces) where necessary. In all other cases I suggest an indentation of two spaces or nice vertical alignment. Additionally, you should add the

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Werner LEMBERG wrote: I think I've cleaned up all of the indentation problems Werner pointed out [...] I'm still not happy. Use only tabs (which translates to eight spaces) where necessary. In all other cases I suggest an indentation of two spaces or nice vertical alignment. Additionally,

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Ian Hulin
Jonathan Kulp wrote: Werner LEMBERG wrote: What do you guys think of including a sample Makefile somewhere in the documentation? Good idea! Perhaps we can manage to avoid GNU make extensions so that poor Windows users have a chance to try nmake. Werner I've been working on it for a

Re: savannah back up. - please push

2009-06-02 Thread Francisco Vila
2009/6/2 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: I think it would be polite to wait a week or so, to let them finish the backlog of recovery work.  :) They have just found a fresher backup. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org ___

Re: Better MIDI

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Chubb
Hans == Hans Aberg hab...@math.su.se writes: Hans On 2 Jun 2009, at 01:29, Peter Chubb wrote: I've put up a page on how to get more realistic sounding MIDI output from current LilyPond, along with the scripts and scheme code used, at http://www.nicta.com.au/people/chubbp/articulate Hans

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Werner LEMBERG
This makes sense. I think I have it now... Thanks! A last question: Why is the contents of build.bat double-spaced? Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Werner LEMBERG wrote: This makes sense. I think I have it now... Thanks! A last question: Why is the contents of build.bat double-spaced? No particular reason. Should it be single-spaced? This was the first batch file I ever wrote, done in desperation when I couldn't make the Makefile

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Why is the contents of build.bat double-spaced? No particular reason. Should it be single-spaced? It doesn't matter, but single spacing looks better IMHO in the info PDF. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: DOCS: include a sample Makefile?

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Werner LEMBERG wrote: Why is the contents of build.bat double-spaced? No particular reason. Should it be single-spaced? It doesn't matter, but single spacing looks better IMHO in the info PDF. You're right. It does look better. I've changed that and incorporated Ian's suggestions as

Re: meta-proposal

2009-06-02 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:42:27PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: What do people think about adding an extra mailing list: lilypond-proposals? I agree with Werner; I think it is overkill. If you want to have

Re: DOCS: CG addition--running stable and devel at once

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Jonathan Kulp wrote: Graham, I've taken a stab at one of the TODOs in the CG, running stable and devel releases at once. I only know how to do this on Linux and have written it accordingly. If anyone would like to jump in and show how to do it on other platforms that would be great.

Re: DOCS: CG addition--running stable and devel at once

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Kulp
Jonathan Kulp wrote: Jonathan Kulp wrote: Graham, I've taken a stab at one of the TODOs in the CG, running stable and devel releases at once. I only know how to do this on Linux and have written it accordingly. If anyone would like to jump in and show how to do it on other platforms that

Re: DOCS: CG addition--running stable and devel at once

2009-06-02 Thread Werner LEMBERG
http://www.jonathankulp.com/stable-devel.pdf BTW, to run stable and development versions in parallel, I do it a bit differently: . `stable': Configure and install as normal. . `devel': Configure with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/test and install as normal. . If I want to