AUTHORS material (re)started

2009-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
Long ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I was still an undergraduate student, we had Documentation/topdocs/AUTHORS.texi, and all was well. At some point, we added a THANKS. Somewhat later, everybody stopped updating AUTHORS. Right now, I'm not even certain if the THANKS is maintained. As

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 01:03:05AM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: Graham Percival wrote: The manuals include the FDL, so I'd argue that it's clear that the sources are under the same license. I'd argue the same about the source files, actually. This is basically about good (unambiguous)

Re: [PATCH] Licensing notices for NR and LM

2009-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 04:32:16PM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: I think this is a fairly uncontroversial addition (it's just stating in each file what's already true) so I'm submitting these patches now rather than later. For the benefit of the mailist archives, this *is* controversial, but

Re: Copyright/licensing action plan + a sample [PATCH]

2009-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 01:08:34AM +0200, Joseph Wakeling wrote: The main aim is not relicensing but just to try and get a handle on who wrote what parts of Lilypond. As long as we know who contributed to lilypond (that's a separate question), knowing exactly who wrote what is only useful if we

Re: [frogs] Enhancement request: Define output-suffix as a configurable context property.

2009-09-19 Thread Ian Hulin
Hi Carl, Neil, I'm quite happy to re-think the proposal if what I have in mind contravenes existing design architecture. Put it down to relative inexperience and the fact I don't get opportunity to work on lilly as often as I'd like. Anyhow, here are some of the reasons why I'd like to do

Re: [frogs] Enhancement request: Define output-suffix as a configurable context property.

2009-09-19 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 9/19/09 7:27 AM, Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk wrote: Hi Carl, Neil, I'm quite happy to re-think the proposal if what I have in mind contravenes existing design architecture. Put it down to relative inexperience and the fact I don't get opportunity to work on lilly as often as I'd

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 07:30 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : But we *don't* have a licensing situation on a file-by-file basis. Everything[1] under Documentation/ is FDL; everything else[2] is GPLv2. [1] it would be very useful if somebody could create an example to replace

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Graham Percival wrote: Bugger the GNU project guidelines. They're not the be-all and end-all of good project mangement. In many ways, they're pure rubbish. Toodle-pip, cheers, and all that. (I'm trying to be more British... I was really surprised at the use of cheers here. It's a

Re: GUB-OSX 2.13.4

2009-09-19 Thread Travis Briggs
The only thing I can tell is that you need to remove the part about needing python, since (as the doc says) Python is now bundled. Other than that, the rest looks accurate and complete to me. -Travis On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Thu, Sep

Re: release plans

2009-09-19 Thread John Mandereau
Le vendredi 18 septembre 2009 à 06:56 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : Some time later today (knock on wood) I'll make the official 2.13.4 release. This will happen whenever I manage to solve or bludgeon all the issues involved in building GUB on my university machine. As such, - I'm not

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 06:19:20PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 07:30 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : But we *don't* have a licensing situation on a file-by-file basis. Everything[1] under Documentation/ is FDL; everything else[2] is GPLv2. What about

Re: release plans

2009-09-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 06:34:41PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le vendredi 18 septembre 2009 à 06:56 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : Some time later today (knock on wood) I'll make the official 2.13.4 release. This will happen whenever I manage to solve or bludgeon all the issues

Re: release plans

2009-09-19 Thread Travis Briggs
I'll volunteer for helping regtest. You just look at two output images and compare them, right? Any difference, the test fails? -Travis On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 06:34:41PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le vendredi

Re: Copyright/licensing action plan + a sample [PATCH]

2009-09-19 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Graham Percival wrote: There's a *ton* of other janitorial work to be done, especially by people who have proven that they're willing to do work (about 50% of people who say hey, I want to help out never do anything!). And not only that, but you're capable of using git! There's lots of stuff

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 4ab5056a.9010...@webdrake.net, Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes [1] Where the licensing issue might be important is this: what if someone forks Lilypond and adds a bunch of their own code with a different but compatible license statement -- like GPLv2+? It helps

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 1253377160.11679.1824.ca...@localhost, John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com writes Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 07:30 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : But we *don't* have a licensing situation on a file-by-file basis. Everything[1] under Documentation/ is FDL; everything

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 19:45 +0100, Anthony W. Youngman a écrit : The snippets are not public domain, unless the author put them there. The *music* may be public domain, but the *arrangement* is copyright whoever wrote the lilypond code (unless you make the argument that the snippet

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 18:34 +0100, Graham Percival a écrit : I'd rather not keep track of individual licenses in the source tree. Since he's stated that his work is in public domain, there'd be no problems with people extracting it for any CC stuff. ... err wait, are we talking about

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Anthony W. Youngman wrote: Aarrgghh. The snippets are not public domain, unless the author put them there. The *music* may be public domain, but the *arrangement* is copyright whoever wrote the lilypond code (unless you make the argument that the snippet is too small to qualify for

Re: release plans

2009-09-19 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/9/19 John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com: Is it worth I generate a regtest comparison manually (without gub, doing git checkout release/2.12.3-0;make test-baseline; git checkout release/2.12.4-1;make check) and upload it somewhere. If it's not too much trouble for you to do this,

Re: release plans

2009-09-19 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 21:50 +0100, Neil Puttock a écrit : If it's not too much trouble for you to do this, John, I'd be interested to know whether you can get it too work; I've been trying without success over the last few weeks to do comparisons between various 2.12 2.13 releases.

Re: release plans

2009-09-19 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/9/19 John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com: Ugh, this is weird.  I'll try comparing 2.12 and master, and 2.13.3 and master. Cheers. I don't know whether it's significant, but I've found it's easy to tell when the testing's gone wrong, since the job forking message has too few jobs (on

Re: [PATCH] New margin handling - final version (updated)

2009-09-19 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/9/14 Michael Käppler xmichae...@web.de: Hmm, I can't reproduce this here. Can you try again and send me an png if it still fails? It's still pretty bad; see the attached image. Regards, Neil attachment: granados.preview.png___ lilypond-devel

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 4ab53f73.1080...@webdrake.net, Joseph Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes Anthony W. Youngman wrote: Aarrgghh. The snippets are not public domain, unless the author put them there. The *music* may be public domain, but the *arrangement* is copyright whoever wrote the

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Valentin Villenave
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Anthony W. Youngman lilyp...@thewolery.demon.co.uk wrote: (I don't know, but there's been a fair bit of discussion, on and off, on debian legal as to whether it is even *possible* for some people to consign their work to the public domain - the *law* apparently

Re: Overview of copyright issues

2009-09-19 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 19. September 2009 20:45:46 schrieb Anthony W. Youngman: In message 1253377160.11679.1824.ca...@localhost, John Mandereau On the opposite, note that snippets from LSR are public domain, not FDL. Aarrgghh. The snippets are not public

Re: Copyright/licensing action plan + a sample [PATCH]

2009-09-19 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 19. September 2009 20:18:14 schrieb Joseph Wakeling: If you really want to keep on doing copyright stuff, then I'd suggest that you look into the licenses of the projects which lilypond *links* to. Stuff like ghostscript doesn't

Re: Copyright/licensing action plan + a sample [PATCH]

2009-09-19 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Ouch. so as soon as a LGPLv3 version of guile comes out, lilypond can't use guile any more, because LGPLv3 is not compatible with GPLv2... So, lilypond then has to switch to GPLv3... But then we have a problem with freetype, which is FTL (BSD with advertising clause, thus incompatible with