Re: Provide define-session and define-session-public commands (issue 6588056)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
On 2012/10/03 05:10:27, janek wrote: Could you modify the commit message so that it says why we need this change? It's not really a change but an API to something you had to do by hand previously if you were working on .scm files providing user customization in some manner (and there are a

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
On 2012/10/03 04:04:07, Keith wrote: If you name it '\hide', I'll probably make an '\unHide' to revert the stencil. If you name it \no, I'll name the stencil-restoring function '\restore'. You can paint your shed whatever color you like. \hide and \no are for different purposes (so far,

Re: Provide define-session and define-session-public commands (issue 6588056)

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:01 AM, d...@gnu.org wrote: On 2012/10/03 05:10:27, janek wrote: After reading the comments in your code i don't understant what's its purpose. Sounds like I should rather delete the comments... oh, no! They are well-written and provide insight into your code. It's

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:15 AM, d...@gnu.org wrote: Given existing naming choices, \hide/\unHide is an obvious pairing. \omit/unOmit would be logical but awkward, I'd lead towards \omit/\remit. Whoah, i didn't know that remit is a proper English word! Sounds like Kermit to me... :P (frankly,

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread Keith OHara
On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:15:23 -0700, d...@gnu.org wrote: \hide and \no are for different purposes Oops, I forgot we were talking about the name 'no' for the function '\omit'. The command to restore the stencil could be \unOmit or \restore. I had to look up \remit in the dictionary, and

Re: lilypond 2.16.0 and Windows 8 (enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:09 PM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Just an FYI, I was able to download install and run LP's test file with no problems, on Windows 8.x (Enterprise Edition), I am not sure if that is really significant vs Standard Edition but anyway. Just thought I'd share

Re: Provide define-session and define-session-public commands (issue 6588056)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
On 2012/10/03 06:20:10, janek wrote: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:01 AM, mailto:d...@gnu.org wrote: On 2012/10/03 05:10:27, janek wrote: After reading the comments in your code i don't understant what's its purpose. Sounds like I should rather delete the comments... oh, no! They are

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
On 2012/10/03 06:27:56, Keith wrote: On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:15:23 -0700, mailto:d...@gnu.org wrote: \hide and \no are for different purposes Oops, I forgot we were talking about the name 'no' for the function '\omit'. The command to restore the stencil could be \unOmit or \restore.

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread Keith OHara
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 01:25:30 -0700, d...@gnu.org wrote: 2. To restore. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] The archbishop was . . . remitted to his liberty. --Hayward. Don't believe everything you read. Both 'remit' and

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net writes: On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 01:25:30 -0700, d...@gnu.org wrote: 2. To restore. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] The archbishop was . . . remitted to his liberty. --Hayward. Don't

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Well, remittere means to release, from its word constituents back-send. omittere means to give up, disregard, from its word constituents counter-send. In any case, suitable naming of reversals look like doubling the number of bikesheds, so I propose

Re: pitch spelling

2012-10-03 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/10/3 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: I found this interesting document: http://www.titanmusic.com/papers/public/meredith-dphil-final.pdf Curious indeed! And impressive as a thesis. -- Francisco

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/10/2 k-ohara5...@oco.net: No is used in several senses in English. Here it serves as an article (like German kein) but it also an adverb (nein). I do not think Latin languages have a single-word negative article. Spanish has «sin» =without , with no «sin alcohol» =non-alcoholic «sin

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes: 2012/10/2 k-ohara5...@oco.net: No is used in several senses in English. Here it serves as an article (like German kein) but it also an adverb (nein). I do not think Latin languages have a single-word negative article. Spanish has «sin»

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: incompatible with my reverse überbikeshed proposal since \un\without would be quite garish omg lol! PS i think that sending a request for name suggestions on user might be a good idea. Maybe they'll propose something else that

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
Reviewers: david.nalesnik, janek, Message: On 2012/10/03 05:04:11, janek wrote: i've skimmed over the discussion in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2858 and i'm confused. Do we want to change \shape GrobName #'offsets into \shape #'offsets GrobName or \shape #'offsets

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
On 2012/10/02 23:39:05, david.nalesnik wrote: LGTM [...] I wonder if it would be helpful to alter one or two of the following applications of the function as override to the tweak form. [...] What about adding a demonstration here of the ability to modify curves beginning at the same

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:45 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: incompatible with my reverse überbikeshed proposal since \un\without would be quite garish omg lol! PS i think that sending a request for name suggestions on user might be a

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread david . nalesnik
On 2012/10/03 13:57:25, dak wrote: [...] To those suggestions let me answer with the famous answer to the question Mr Gandhi, what do you think of Western civilization?, namely with I would consider it a good idea. Oh, for just one zinger like that... So the best I think I can do at

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
On 2012/10/03 15:08:30, david.nalesnik wrote: On 2012/10/03 13:57:25, dak wrote: [...] To those suggestions let me answer with the famous answer to the question Mr Gandhi, what do you think of Western civilization?, namely with I would consider it a good idea. Oh, for just one

Re: bar-line interface part 2/2: New bar line definition standard (issue 6498052)

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sunday, September 30, 2012, Davod Kastrup wrote: Hold your horses, this is another case too stupid for documenting and walking people through. Give me two days, and then you replace your define-public for the alists with define-session, and that's it. The rest of the code stays as it is.

Re: Provide define-session and define-session-public commands (issue 6588056)

2012-10-03 Thread thomasmorley65
After testing the patch's functionality, only: LGTM http://codereview.appspot.com/6588056/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread david . nalesnik
On 2012/10/03 15:17:26, dak wrote: [...] and I am currently immersed in parser work to make the Context.GrobName thing fly. Thank you very much for working on this! I am looking forward to being able to fix the mess at the beginning of \alterBroken (and a general offsetting function I

Re: Provide define-session and define-session-public commands (issue 6588056)

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:04 AM, d...@gnu.org wrote: Uh, I guess we have a fundamental misunderstanding here. We already _have_ sessions (you can call lilypond on several different .ly input files and have them processed tentatively independently). We just don't have any help for the

Re: Provide define-session and define-session-public commands (issue 6588056)

2012-10-03 Thread janek . lilypond
PS: LGTM :) http://codereview.appspot.com/6588056/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:46 PM, d...@gnu.org wrote: On 2012/10/03 05:04:11, janek wrote: i've skimmed over the discussion in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2858 and i'm confused. Do we want to change \shape GrobName #'offsets into \shape #'offsets GrobName or \shape

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread Trevor Daniels
david.nales...@gmail.com OK, I think I'll wait till this patch and the Trevor's documentation patch is through, and then I'll create a new issue for the regtests. I may simply leave these two as they are, and add a short test along the lines of, \shape works independently on curves

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
On 2012/10/03 16:38:45, janek wrote: On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:46 PM, mailto:d...@gnu.org wrote: On 2012/10/03 05:04:11, janek wrote: i've skimmed over the discussion in http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2858 and i'm confused. Do we want to change \shape GrobName #'offsets

Re: Allow \shape to tweak music, swap its arguments (issue 6585052)

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:36 PM, d...@gnu.org wrote: ...but from this sentence i deduce that we're trying to do the second thing, i.e. \shape will have one #'offsets argument and no argument specifying grob name, which will be deduced from the music that follows the command. Right? Either

Re: [talk] non-timed or non-musical events z y

2012-10-03 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:26 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: The reason I consider this an excessively bad idea is that this would turn an articulation into something that creates independent music events at an independent point of time. That would mean that the rhythmic event iterator

Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread pound...@lineone.net
Original Message From: d...@gnu.org Date: 03/10/2012 15:04 To: Janek Warchołjanek.lilyp...@gmail.com Cc: k-ohara5...@oco.net, re...@codereview-hr.appspotmail.com, lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subj: Re: Provide \hide and \no functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

Re: Issue 2859: Provide \hide and \omit functions for transparent and void glyphs (issue 6575048)

2012-10-03 Thread dak
On 2012/10/03 19:32:15, pounderd_lineone.net wrote: Original Message From: mailto:d...@gnu.org Call me an optimist, but I think we are good now. Apologies if this ship has sailed, but has anyone considered \suppress and \unsuppress? The ship has not sailed, but retailoring the