Re: convert-ly (issue 2670) (issue 6610058)

2012-10-06 Thread Julien Rioux
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:06 AM, lemzw...@googlemail.com wrote: Are you going to report the number of errors using the `errors' variable? In case this is true, I would consider this a bad idea, since you abuse the functionality of the exit status. How large can `errors' become? The value

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread dak
Reviewers: janek, Message: On 2012/10/05 14:46:09, janek wrote: please provide usage example(s). I suppose i like this idea, but without examples i don't know what exactly will be possible, and what won't be possible. Is it enough to say that after unHideNotes = \un\hideNotes oneVoice =

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread tdanielsmusic
I think I would prefer to name this function \undo. This more accurately expresses what it does: \undo\voiceOne reverses everything that \voiceOne does, or did. The action of \un\voiceOne is not so intuitively obvious, nor does it make an English work or phrase. \reverse would be an

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Le 6 oct. 2012 à 09:10, d...@gnu.org a écrit : Reviewers: janek, Message: On 2012/10/05 14:46:09, janek wrote: please provide usage example(s). I suppose i like this idea, but without examples i don't know what exactly will be possible, and what won't be possible. Is it enough to say

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread dak
On 2012/10/06 07:44:51, Trevor Daniels wrote: I think I would prefer to name this function \undo. This more accurately expresses what it does: \undo\voiceOne reverses everything that \voiceOne does, or did. The action of \un\voiceOne is not so intuitively obvious, nor does it make an English

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:10 AM, d...@gnu.org wrote: Is it enough to say that after unHideNotes = \un\hideNotes oneVoice = \un\voiceOne you would not notice a difference? \un\omit StringNumber will revert the effect of \omit StringNumber. That's what i expected. Are there any limitations?

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:10 AM, d...@gnu.org wrote: Is it enough to say that after unHideNotes = \un\hideNotes oneVoice = \un\voiceOne you would not notice a difference? \un\omit StringNumber will revert the effect of \omit StringNumber.

[talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submitting simple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
Just a musing I think the case shown below would perfectly qualify for could you write a documentation patch for this? it can be done with a web interface, instructions are here - if we had the web interface. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Are there any limitations? For example, would \un\clef and \un\key result in - reverting to previous clef/key - something strange - syntax error Something strange is most likely. \set does not really maintain a stack, so

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:50 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Are there any limitations? For example, would \un\clef and \un\key result in - reverting to previous clef/key - something strange - syntax error Something strange is most

Re: bar-line interface part 2/2: New bar line definition standard (issue 6498052)

2012-10-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote: 2012/10/5 janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: It just occured to me: is there any way to specify different span bar lines (at the end of the line and at the beginning of the line)? Marc and me, we discussed this some

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:15 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: I think it would be good to polish this, so that this either works or always produces syntax error. Figuring out heuristics when or when one should not issue a warning is not all

Re: Provide an \undo function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread tdanielsmusic
On 2012/10/06 07:44:51, Trevor Daniels wrote: I think I would prefer to name this function \undo. This more accurately expresses what it does: \undo\voiceOne reverses everything that \voiceOne does, or did. The action of \un\voiceOne is not so intuitively obvious, nor does it make an English

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submitting simple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread James
Hello, On 6 October 2012 09:51, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote: Just a musing I think the case shown below would perfectly qualify for could you write a documentation patch for this? it can be done with a web interface, instructions are here - if we had the web interface.

Re: Provide an \un function for turning overrides and sets into reverts and unsets (issue 6588067)

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:15 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: I think it would be good to polish this, so that this either works or always produces syntax error. Figuring out heuristics when

Re: Patchy email from PhilH

2012-10-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: John Mandereau john.mander...@gmail.com To: philehol...@googlemail.com Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:13 AM Subject: Re: Patchy email from PhilH This email looks like you're using an old revision of Patchy; in case it doesn't

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submitting simple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote: How is a web interface easier than email to enter information? I should've been more specific. I meant a web interface that would not only allow entering information, but also handle the patch - a formal patch, not just a

Next release

2012-10-06 Thread Phil Holmes
I'm currently building 2.17.4 and plan to upload it tonight and have it available tomorrow. Please use 2.17.5 for claiming fixes on the issues list from now. -- Phil Holmes ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org

Re: bar-line interface part 2/2: New bar line definition standard (issue 6498052)

2012-10-06 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 06.10.2012 11:23, schrieb Janek Warchoł: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote: 2012/10/5 janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: It just occured to me: is there any way to specify different span bar lines (at the end of the line and at the beginning of the

Re: bar-line interface part 2/2: New bar line definition standard (issue 6498052)

2012-10-06 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 30.09.2012 22:03, schrieb d...@gnu.org: On 2012/09/30 19:44:49, marc wrote: Am 30.09.2012 11:02, schrieb d...@gnu.org: [...] First, the define-public is asking for trouble. You are exposing an internal Scheme data structure to users and make it overwritable by the user. If the user

Re: unofficial GOP proposal organization of GLISS discussions

2012-10-06 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 05.10.2012 18:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: Hi all, i find it hard to keep up with our GLISS discussions. I've also heard that the amount of technical details, digressions and multithreadedness stops some people from participating, as they don't have enough time to read long conversations

Re: bar-line interface part 2/2: New bar line definition standard (issue 6498052)

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de writes: Am 30.09.2012 22:03, schrieb d...@gnu.org: On 2012/09/30 19:44:49, marc wrote: Am 30.09.2012 11:02, schrieb d...@gnu.org: [...] First, the define-public is asking for trouble. You are exposing an internal Scheme data structure to users and make it

Re: lilypond-book: treat iffalse sections in latex as block comments (issue 6584073)

2012-10-06 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
On 2012-10-06 06:33, lemzw...@googlemail.com wrote: http://codereview.appspot.com/6584073/diff/1/python/book_latex.py File python/book_latex.py (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/6584073/diff/1/python/book_latex.py#newcode88 python/book_latex.py:88: \\iffalse.*\\fi))''', On 2012/10/06

Re: unofficial GOP proposal organization of GLISS discussions

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de writes: Am 05.10.2012 18:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: i find it hard to keep up with our GLISS discussions. I've also heard that the amount of technical details, digressions and multithreadedness stops some people from participating, as they don't have enough time

Re: lilypond-book: treat iffalse sections in latex as block comments (issue 6584073)

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Reinhold Kainhofer reinh...@fam.tuwien.ac.at writes: On 2012-10-06 06:33, lemzw...@googlemail.com wrote: http://codereview.appspot.com/6584073/diff/1/python/book_latex.py#newcode88 python/book_latex.py:88: \\iffalse.*\\fi))''', As David has commented on the list, I would prefer if you

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submitting simple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/06/2012 11:34 AM, James wrote: How is a web interface easier than email to enter information? Well, the problem with simple doc patches is that to submit them to Lilypond you have to go through the same procedure as if you were submitting a code patch, which means uploading to Riedveld

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/05/2012 09:31 AM, Keith OHara wrote: It is easier to keep the order straight if you write a 5:4 tuplet as \tuplet 5/4 {} Is there any reason why you couldn't write \tuplet 5:4 {} ... ? Keeps exact match between musical and Lilypond syntax and avoids the potential mental block of

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 10/05/2012 09:31 AM, Keith OHara wrote: It is easier to keep the order straight if you write a 5:4 tuplet as \tuplet 5/4 {} Is there any reason why you couldn't write \tuplet 5:4 {} ... ? Yes. 5/4 is an item that the parser is

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submitting simple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread James
Hello, On 6 October 2012 15:23, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: On 10/06/2012 11:34 AM, James wrote: How is a web interface easier than email to enter information? Well, the problem with simple doc patches is that to submit them to Lilypond you have to go

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submitting simple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/06/2012 04:46 PM, James wrote: Says someone who evidently has never built, submitted or tested 'doc' patches for LP. Er ... yes, I have. Actually my objections to having to use git-cl were based on my experience of trying to submit a simple, small doc patch that I'd built and tested.

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submittingsimple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net To: James pkx1...@gmail.com Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submittingsimple doc patches On 10/06/2012

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submittingsimple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/06/2012 05:21 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: Unfortunately, testing that docs compile cleanly takes about 15 times as long as code, so it's not for the underpowered or faint hearted. Used to be 2 3/4 hours on my virtual machine. Yes, true. The from-scratch build time for docs is pretty hefty,

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-06 Thread Ian Hulin
On 05/10/12 08:10, James wrote: Hello, On 5 October 2012 00:19, Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk wrote: This is a proposal to move the triplet/tuplet discussion forward. There will be new commands to supplement (or eventually replace) the current \times command. 1. \tuplet n/m {music

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submittingsimple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net Cc: James pkx1...@gmail.com; lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submitting simple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
James pkx1...@gmail.com writes: Says someone who evidently has never built, submitted or tested 'doc' patches for LP. Joseph Wakeling (12): Extended documentation on Turkish classical music and Makam. Turkish classical music corrections. Turkish classical music documentation

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submittingsimple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Joseph Rushton Wakeling
On 10/06/2012 05:46 PM, Phil Holmes wrote: As you say, compile-edit-compile cycles are shorter than the full build, but can occasionally not reveal errors, so for a proper test it's always better to nuke the build directory and rebuild from scratch. Out of curiosity, what kind of errors? I

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-06 Thread Ian Hulin
On 05/10/12 08:47, David Kastrup wrote: Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk writes: 1. Should the new \tuplet retain the \times meaning of the fraction, i.e. \tuplet 2/3 {c8 c c} uses 2/3 because that's what you'd use if you were just using durations: c8*2/3 c c , or invert it as \tuplet 3/2 {c8 c

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - was [talk] easy tuplets

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk writes: On 05/10/12 08:47, David Kastrup wrote: Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk writes: 1. Should the new \tuplet retain the \times meaning of the fraction, i.e. \tuplet 2/3 {c8 c c} uses 2/3 because that's what you'd use if you were just using durations: c8*2/3 c c

[proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 2

2012-10-06 Thread Ian Hulin
Thanks to everyone for their feedback so far. Here is Version 2 of the proposal. There will be new commands to supplement (or eventually replace) the current \times command. 1. \tuplet n/m {music expression} % does what \times does, but not so easily confused with \time % command. 2. \triplet

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 2

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Ian Hulin i...@hulin.org.uk writes: Thanks to everyone for their feedback so far. Here is Version 2 of the proposal. There will be new commands to supplement (or eventually replace) the current \times command. 1. \tuplet n/m {music expression} % does what \times does, but not so easily

Re: lilypond-book: treat iffalse sections in latex as block comments (issue 6584073)

2012-10-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
So, your opinion is that lilypond-book SHOULD process the \lilypond{...} code inside the \iffalse section and spectacularly fail. It is debatable how much plain TeX code should be used at all in a LaTeX document. Just think of a latex-html translation. With my colleagues, I have never seen

Re: convert-ly (issue 2670) (issue 6610058)

2012-10-06 Thread lemzwerg
LGTM now. http://codereview.appspot.com/6610058/ ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 2

2012-10-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I haven't seen quadruplets in the wild, so that seems like a stretch. They are quite common in late-romantic piano music. When they occur, it seems audacious to assume they are 6/4. More likely than not, I would expect them to be 3/4, like if you have 4 notes on a halfmeasure in a 6/8

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 2

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: I haven't seen quadruplets in the wild, so that seems like a stretch. They are quite common in late-romantic piano music. When they occur, it seems audacious to assume they are 6/4. More likely than not, I would expect them to be 3/4, like if you have 4

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 2

2012-10-06 Thread Werner LEMBERG
The normal setting is to have four notes in a full 3/4 bar. That would be \times 3/4 rather than \times 6/4, right? Exactly. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 2

2012-10-06 Thread Benkő Pál
The normal setting is to have four notes in a full 3/4 bar. That would be \times 3/4 rather than \times 6/4, right? Exactly. four quarters, yes; four eigths are 6/4, and that's what I've seen. regarding the \tuplet integer shorthand: I would hate \tuplet n meaning not \tuplet n/1 but

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 2

2012-10-06 Thread David Kastrup
Benkő Pál benko@gmail.com writes: The normal setting is to have four notes in a full 3/4 bar. That would be \times 3/4 rather than \times 6/4, right? Exactly. four quarters, yes; four eigths are 6/4, and that's what I've seen. regarding the \tuplet integer shorthand: I would hate

Patchy report

2012-10-06 Thread grenouille
21:58:02 (UTC) Begin LilyPond compile, previous commit at c3656fce28382903c7d2c18500f74e624e4a 21:58:12 From git.savannah.gnu.org:/srv/git/lilypond * [new tag] release/2.17.4-1 - release/2.17.4-1 21:58:12 Another instance (PID 29551) is already running. 22:29:01 Merged staging,

Re: Doc: improve documentation of Bézier curves (2858) (issue 6561064)

2012-10-06 Thread david . nalesnik
Trevor-- This looks great to me. I like the reordering, and I think the explanations are very clear. I've tweaked the curves a little in the examples (do what you like with my suggestions!), but otherwise: LGTM.

Re: [talk] why it'd be great to have web interface for submitting simple doc patches

2012-10-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 12:03:40PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote: On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:34 AM, James pkx1...@gmail.com wrote: How is a web interface easier than email to enter information? I should've been more specific. I meant a web interface that would not only allow entering

Re: unofficial GOP proposal organization of GLISS discussions

2012-10-06 Thread Graham Percival
On Sat, Oct 06, 2012 at 02:43:48PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de writes: Am 05.10.2012 18:34, schrieb Janek Warchoł: i find it hard to keep up with our GLISS discussions. I've also heard that the amount of technical details, digressions and multithreadedness