Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: I'm not sure about the validity of your conclusion. Writing tuplets is such a central element of inputting music that a special treatment is probably justified, even at the cost of hardwiring. We are talking about writing

Re: Clefs and transposition [was: Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3]

2012-10-10 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:15 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net wrote: On 10/10/2012 12:08 AM, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote: [] All of this (and what follows) seems rather aggressive and blunt on a second reading -- wasn't meant to be. Apologies. :-\ No problem, i

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: I'm not sure about the validity of your conclusion. Writing tuplets is such a central element of inputting music that a special treatment is probably justified, even at the cost

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
We are talking about writing \tuplet 3:2 { ... } instead of \tuplet 3/2 { ... } here. Whether tuplets are central or not, this single-character difference is purely cosmetic, and it is well-known that obsessive-compulsive cosmetic surgery is not exactly guaranteed to maximize the obtained

Re: Still alive

2012-10-10 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 09.10.2012 10:19, schrieb m...@mikesolomon.org: Hey list, Just a quick ping to let you know that I'm not dead - I've been swamped w/ work recently and just got engaged so I'm planning out a wedding (w00t!). Hey Mike, congratulations! All the best for both of you! Marc Bettina I'll be

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: We are talking about writing \tuplet 3:2 { ... } instead of \tuplet 3/2 { ... } here. Whether tuplets are central or not, this single-character difference is purely cosmetic, and it is well-known that obsessive-compulsive cosmetic surgery is not exactly

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: We are talking about writing \tuplet 3:2 { ... } instead of \tuplet 3/2 { ... } here. Whether tuplets are central or not, this single-character difference is purely cosmetic, and it is well-known that obsessive-compulsive cosmetic surgery is not exactly

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Colin Campbell c...@shaw.ca writes: On 12-10-09 12:59 PM, David Kastrup wrote: Since this patch series is a bit humongous for reviewing in a single Rietveld review and it would take two months to get every patch in sequence through an individual review, I am putting this series out as an

The LilyPond Report #28 has been released

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
The LilyPond Report, the informational column for users and developers of GNU LilyPond, the GNU music typesetter, has released its 28th issue at URL:http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-28. The main excitements are reports about the developer and user meeting that happened from August

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
It is a matter of fact that triplets are either marked with a single digit, or with a ratio like `4:3'. I think it is not too far stretched to expect that lilypond should follow such conventions even in the input. I disagree. [...] Good arguments, David! Now where is the point in

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
I'd rather recommend using something separate like \tupletStyle 3:2, \tupletStyle 3, \tupletStyle . This is an excellent idea. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: It is a matter of fact that triplets are either marked with a single digit, or with a ratio like `4:3'. I think it is not too far stretched to expect that lilypond should follow such conventions even in the input. I disagree. [...] Good arguments,

Nice to have - manage differing number of syllables in verses, choir etc.

2012-10-10 Thread Esa Erola
Hi, For a chosen verse in multi-verse choir etc. sould there be any chances with reasonable enough effort to create a command to be used inside lyrics to skip once a slur There is a nice snippet do to this, just a bit hard to use in multi voice choir. It would be nice to include before a

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/10/10 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: I'd rather recommend using something separate like \tupletStyle 3:2, \tupletStyle 3, \tupletStyle . This is an excellent idea. And it is cheap, it admits a single string argument. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org ,

Re: Still alive

2012-10-10 Thread Thomas Morley
2012/10/9 m...@mikesolomon.org m...@mikesolomon.org: Hey list, Just a quick ping to let you know that I'm not dead - I've been swamped w/ work recently and just got engaged so I'm planning out a wedding (w00t!). I'll be back in the swing of things around mid-November if not sooner. Cheers,

Re: Nice to have - manage differing number of syllables in verses, choir etc.

2012-10-10 Thread Trevor Daniels
Esa Erola wrote Wednesday, October 10, 2012 1:54 PM For a chosen verse in multi-verse choir etc. sould there be any chances with reasonable enough effort to create a command to be used inside lyrics to skip once a slur There is a nice snippet do to this, just a bit hard to use in multi

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Ok, here are a few followup thoughts. One: response to the on-list posting of the patches, intended to be more useful for per-patch review, has resulted in zero followups. I'll put out the next iteration to the lilypond-auto list for that reason, at least I'll attempt doing so (the list page

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
One: response to the on-list posting of the patches, intended to be more useful for per-patch review, has resulted in zero followups. Well I've already checked your changes on Rietveld, so I simply skipped the patches sent to lilypond-devel. \tweak has an optional grob argument (now a

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: One: response to the on-list posting of the patches, intended to be more useful for per-patch review, has resulted in zero followups. Well I've already checked your changes on Rietveld, so I simply skipped the patches sent to lilypond-devel. \tweak has

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Would it be possible to have \override Accidental.color #red \override Voice.Accidental.color ? For me, this feels most natural. Won't work since you can't distinguish \override Voice.Accidental.color from \override Accidental.bound-details.left and I really don't want to

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Would it be possible to have \override Accidental.color #red \override Voice.Accidental.color ? For me, this feels most natural. Won't work since you can't distinguish \override Voice.Accidental.color from \override

Re: [proposal] easy triplets and tuplets - Draft 3

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes: On 10/10/2012 09:52 AM, David Kastrup wrote: However, forcing a certain form of input representation for a certain form of output is a nuisance for programmatically generated music. I'd rather recommend using something separate

Re: Make arguments like Context.GrobName accessible as symbol lists (issue 6635050)

2012-10-10 Thread dak
On 2012/10/09 21:08:47, janek wrote: I'm just skimming the discussion (the patch is big and non-trivial, so i will have problems reviewing it), but i spotted one interesting sentence... On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:38 AM, mailto:d...@gnu.org wrote: We can get rid of a _lot_ of #' style

2.17.4 regtests

2012-10-10 Thread Phil Holmes
On my pixels comparator, they pretty much look OK. Lots of changes where accidentals are involved, which is Mike's tuning of accidental spacing, I reckon. The one I don't understand is markup-special-characters.ly. I've attached the difference image, but the summary is that with 17.2 there's

Re: 2.17.4 regtests

2012-10-10 Thread Keith OHara
Phil Holmes email at philholmes.net writes: The one I don't understand is markup-special-characters.ly. I've attached the difference image, but the summary is that with 17.2 there's a visible hyphen in in-nocent, and this disappears with 17.4. That changed with the first commit (1 of 2) in

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Would it be possible to have \override Accidental.color #red \override Voice.Accidental.color ? For me, this feels most natural. Won't work since you can't distinguish \override Voice.Accidental.color from \override Accidental.bound-details.left and I really don't want to try

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Would it be possible to have \override Accidental.color #red \override Voice.Accidental.color ? For me, this feels most natural. Won't work since you can't distinguish \override Voice.Accidental.color from \override

Re: 2.17.4 regtests

2012-10-10 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Keith OHara k-ohara5...@oco.net To: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 6:44 PM Subject: Re: 2.17.4 regtests Phil Holmes email at philholmes.net writes: The one I don't understand is markup-special-characters.ly. I've attached the

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
[...] I really don't want to try picking this apart based on uppercase/lowercase letter distinctions. After some thinking I wonder why not? X-offset anyone? ... should be renamed IMHO. Regardless of our discussion, it doesn't fit into the current naming scheme. Werner

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: [...] I really don't want to try picking this apart based on uppercase/lowercase letter distinctions. After some thinking I wonder why not? X-offset anyone? ... should be renamed IMHO. Regardless of our discussion, it doesn't fit into the current

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread David Kastrup
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org writes: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: [...] I really don't want to try picking this apart based on uppercase/lowercase letter distinctions. After some thinking I wonder why not? X-offset anyone? ... should be renamed IMHO. Regardless of our discussion,

Re: Context.Grob considered as symbol list

2012-10-10 Thread Werner LEMBERG
X-offset anyone? ... should be renamed IMHO. Regardless of our discussion, it doesn't fit into the current naming scheme. The corresponding axis is called X, and using x for a constant in the expectation that the user would not attempt naming a variable after it would seem rather

Re: bar-line interface part 2/2: New bar line definition standard (issue 6498052)

2012-10-10 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 06.10.2012 11:23, schrieb Janek Warchoł: On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote: 2012/10/5 janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: It just occured to me: is there any way to specify different span bar lines (at the end of the line and at the beginning of the