Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-04 Thread antlists
On 03/01/2021 10:07, James wrote: my desktop before that was from 2013 (i5 something) and I was getting sub hour make doc times even then but using 3 CPUs. So you having those timings while using a -j5 option ... wow! I am obviously inhabiting some technological bubble that I wasn't aware I

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-03 Thread James
Hello On 02/01/2021 16:58, Thomas Morley wrote: Am Sa., 2. Jan. 2021 um 14:41 Uhr schrieb James : On 02/01/2021 12:20, Thomas Morley wrote: A full `make doc` takes hours for me, even if invoked with `make doc -j5 CPU_COUNT=5` Thus I hardly do so, but use the CG-documented methods: Hours?

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread Thomas Morley
Am Sa., 2. Jan. 2021 um 14:41 Uhr schrieb James : > > > On 02/01/2021 12:20, Thomas Morley wrote: > > A full `make doc` takes hours for me, even if invoked with `make doc > > -j5 CPU_COUNT=5` > > Thus I hardly do so, but use the CG-documented methods: > > Hours? > > Really? > > Perhaps 'an hour'

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread James
On 02/01/2021 15:38, Kieren MacMillan wrote: I’m using an 11-year old iMac, running LilyDev in a Linux VM. =) Oh .. OK. Yeah. Don't make doc. %^) James

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, >> Perhaps 'an hour' if you were using some very, very old CPU - but even using >> a single CPU on an 'old' i5 Intel system a full make doc for me took less >> than 50 mins. That last time it took longer than an hour was when I had an >> old (8+ years ago) iMac running make doc in a

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread James
Hello On 02/01/2021 14:07, Trevor wrote: James wrote 02/01/2021 13:41:06 On 02/01/2021 12:20, Thomas Morley wrote: A full `make doc` takes hours for me, even if invoked with `make doc -j5 CPU_COUNT=5` Thus I hardly do so, but use the CG-documented methods: Hours? Really? Perhaps 'an hour'

Re[2]: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread Trevor
James wrote 02/01/2021 13:41:06 On 02/01/2021 12:20, Thomas Morley wrote: A full `make doc` takes hours for me, even if invoked with `make doc -j5 CPU_COUNT=5` Thus I hardly do so, but use the CG-documented methods: Hours? Really? Perhaps 'an hour' if you were using some very, very old

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread James
On 02/01/2021 12:20, Thomas Morley wrote: A full `make doc` takes hours for me, even if invoked with `make doc -j5 CPU_COUNT=5` Thus I hardly do so, but use the CG-documented methods: Hours? Really? Perhaps 'an hour' if you were using some very, very old CPU - but even using a single CPU

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread Thomas Morley
Am Sa., 2. Jan. 2021 um 13:20 Uhr schrieb Thomas Morley : > > Hi Kieren, > > Am Sa., 2. Jan. 2021 um 00:00 Uhr schrieb Kieren MacMillan > : > > > > Hi Michael (et al.), > > > > > please use http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/contributor/lilydev > > > instead. I adjusted some parts of this

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread Thomas Morley
Hi Kieren, Am Sa., 2. Jan. 2021 um 00:00 Uhr schrieb Kieren MacMillan : > > Hi Michael (et al.), > > > please use http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/contributor/lilydev > > instead. I adjusted some parts of this section last year. However, I > > would be happy to hear if something

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-02 Thread Phil Holmes
It shouldn't take multiple hours unless your system is very slow.  A few 10s of minutes is a more reasonable expectation. On 01/01/2021 23:00, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Michael (et al.), please use http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/contributor/lilydev instead. I adjusted some

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Michael (et al.), > please use http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/contributor/lilydev > instead. I adjusted some parts of this section last year. However, I > would be happy to hear if something remains still unclear. This is great. Thanks. I have now compiled Lilypond on my

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-01 Thread Michael Käppler
Hi Kieren, Hi Jonas (et al.), I would claim that the contributor experience has been pretty stable since the initial switch to GitLab. Enabling CI and the recent work to also run 'make check' automatically shouldn't change much from a contributor's point of view, I hope. I can't promise to

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-01 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno ven, gen 1 2021 at 16:37:40 -0500, Kieren MacMillan ha scritto: Hi Jonas (et al.), I would claim that the contributor experience has been pretty stable since the initial switch to GitLab. Enabling CI and the recent work to also run 'make check' automatically shouldn't

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2021-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Jonas (et al.), > I would claim that the contributor experience has been pretty stable > since the initial switch to GitLab. Enabling CI and the recent work to > also run 'make check' automatically shouldn't change much from a > contributor's point of view, I hope. > I can't promise to give

Re: state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2020-12-18 Thread Jonas Hahnfeld
Hi Kieren, I would claim that the contributor experience has been pretty stable since the initial switch to GitLab. Enabling CI and the recent work to also run 'make check' automatically shouldn't change much from a contributor's point of view, I hope. I can't promise to give detailed guidance,

state of the ’Pond for earnest tadpoles

2020-12-15 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all! I’m just wondering if the new process / repo / workflow is in a state where an enthusiastic but oft-discouraged[-by-the-state-of-the-tech-and-process] Frog might finally dive in fully to the contribution process? If so, which Jedi Master(s) might patiently guide this young Padawan

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-22 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/4/22 James pkx1...@gmail.com: Hello, On 22 April 2012 00:02, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/20 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: We do not have a long history of flawless git actions from translations, so my preference would be not to touch anything. Good

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-22 Thread David Kastrup
Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com writes: On the other hand, I can not omit doing things forever just for safety. Therefore, I have to assume a certain degree of risk. I already apologized when it went bad. After that, everything has gone smoothly. Git history will judge us all. The

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Git history will judge us all. Interesting. Up to now I've assumed God does this. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-22 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Git history will judge us all. Interesting. Up to now I've assumed God does this. If HE weren't a fan of distributed version control systems, why create the world in the first place? -- David Kastrup ___

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Interesting. Up to now I've assumed God does this. If HE weren't a fan of distributed version control systems, why create the world in the first place? Good point :-) This reminds me of a joke: Two planets meet. `How are you?' `Well, not very well.' `How comes?' `I suffer from

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-22 Thread James
Hello, On 22 April 2012 11:59, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes: Git history will judge us all. Interesting.  Up to now I've assumed God does this. If HE weren't a fan of distributed version control systems, why create the world in the first place?

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-21 Thread Jean-Charles Malahieude
Le 20/04/2012 23:42, Graham Percival disait : On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 07:38:06PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: Le 19/04/2012 21:30, Graham Percival disait : - nobody touches the release/unstable branch, other than translators, who may merge with that if they want to and don't

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-21 Thread David Kastrup
Jean-Charles Malahieude lily...@orange.fr writes: Le 20/04/2012 23:42, Graham Percival disait : On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 07:38:06PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: Le 19/04/2012 21:30, Graham Percival disait : - nobody touches the release/unstable branch, other than translators, who

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-21 Thread Bernard Hurley
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:08:00AM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: [1] why oh why does the main GNU editor not use the official extension language for the GNU operating system?? Same reason why its keyboard shortcuts are only so-so compatible with CUA and/or GNOME: its development was

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-21 Thread David Kastrup
Bernard Hurley bern...@marcade.biz writes: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:08:00AM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: [1] why oh why does the main GNU editor not use the official extension language for the GNU operating system?? Same reason why its keyboard shortcuts are only so-so compatible

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-21 Thread Bernard Hurley
On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 01:49:38PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Bernard Hurley bern...@marcade.biz writes: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 11:08:00AM +0200, Werner LEMBERG wrote: [1] why oh why does the main GNU editor not use the official extension language for the GNU operating system??

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-21 Thread David Kastrup
Bernard Hurley bern...@marcade.biz writes: On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 01:49:38PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Bernard Hurley bern...@marcade.biz writes: That sounds interesting. Personally I would rather see Emacs re-implemented using Common Lisp instead of Emacs Lisp.

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-21 Thread Francisco Vila
2012/4/20 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: We do not have a long history of flawless git actions from translations, so my preference would be not to touch anything. Good idea! The definitive recipe for eternal flawless development is not to touch anything, ever. Better safe than sorry.

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-21 Thread James
Hello, On 22 April 2012 00:02, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/20 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: We do not have a long history of flawless git actions from translations, so my preference would be not to touch anything. Good idea! The definitive recipe for

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-20 Thread m...@apollinemike.com
On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Graham Percival wrote: We have a new release candidate, slower development, highlights on development problems, and a vacation. SLOWER DEVELOPMENT Development has slowed to a trickle. I'm not certain if this is just because it's late spring (i.e. busy

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-20 Thread Adam Spiers
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Trying to anticipate future problems, I recalled guile indentation: http://codereview.appspot.com/4896043/ My impression is that it would only take an hour or two to fix this, and then we could standardize all

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-20 Thread Jean-Charles Malahieude
Le 19/04/2012 21:30, Graham Percival disait : We have a new release candidate, slower development, highlights on development problems, and a vacation. RELEASE CANDIDATE As always, this means: - activity on master goes on as normal. - nobody touches the release/unstable branch, other than

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 08:27:20AM -0700, Adam Spiers wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Trying to anticipate future problems, I recalled guile indentation: http://codereview.appspot.com/4896043/ I would be happy to tackle this and

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-20 Thread Graham Percival
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 07:38:06PM +0200, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote: Le 19/04/2012 21:30, Graham Percival disait : - nobody touches the release/unstable branch, other than translators, who may merge with that if they want to and don't break anything. The question of whether

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-20 Thread Janek Warchoł
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:23 PM, m...@apollinemike.com m...@apollinemike.com wrote: On Apr 19, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Graham Percival wrote: Development has slowed to a trickle.  I'm not certain if this is just because it's late spring (i.e. busy academic time), or if people are holding their

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-20 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: [1] why oh why does the main GNU editor not use the official extension language for the GNU operating system?? Same reason why its keyboard shortcuts are only so-so compatible with CUA and/or GNOME: its development was started more than 30 years

State of the pond

2012-04-19 Thread Graham Percival
We have a new release candidate, slower development, highlights on development problems, and a vacation. RELEASE CANDIDATE As always, this means: - activity on master goes on as normal. - nobody touches the release/unstable branch, other than translators, who may merge with that if they

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-19 Thread David Kastrup
Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: SLOWER DEVELOPMENT Development has slowed to a trickle. I'm not certain if this is just because it's late spring (i.e. busy academic time), or if people are holding their breaths waiting for the stable release (i.e. not putting forward any

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-19 Thread Graham Percival
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 09:52:55PM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: SLOWER DEVELOPMENT Development has slowed to a trickle. I'm not certain if this is I am partly responsible. A power-law function for development work is certainly predicted

Re: State of the pond

2012-04-19 Thread James
Hello, On 19 April 2012 20:52, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca writes: SLOWER DEVELOPMENT Development has slowed to a trickle.  I'm not certain if this is just because it's late spring (i.e. busy academic time), or if people are holding their