Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-25 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/24 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: Calling   perl scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl from lilypond-git directory says   Can't exec @PERL@ at scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl line 1. First line of that file reads   #!@PERL@ Strange... Well, the perl script gets `massaged', and the @PERL@ construct gets

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/24 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: In one of my previous mails I gave you a recipe how to produce a `proof' version of the font using `mf' and `gftodvi'.  It doesn't help to get the exact outline since it is always based on the rasterized output of `mf', but it nicely shows the

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Werner LEMBERG
By the way, how to call mf with changed output directory? I tried mf '\mode:=proof; input feta-noteheads20'-output-directory=../build and mf '\mode:=proof; -output-directory=../build input feta-noteheads20' but both failed... It fails for me too... I've just reported this to the TeXLive

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Werner LEMBERG
mf2pt1: command not found Ah, sorry, the script is in lilypond/scripts/build, so you should say perl /path/to/lilypond/src/directory/scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl ... Or would it provide some important information? Yes, what mf2pt1 produces shows the exact outlines of the font. This is always

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/24 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: mf2pt1: command not found Ah, sorry, the script is in lilypond/scripts/build, so you should say  perl /path/to/lilypond/src/directory/scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl ... Calling perl scripts/build/mf2pt1.pl from lilypond-git directory says Can't exec

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-24 Thread Werner LEMBERG
By the way, how to call mf with changed output directory? I tried mf '\mode:=proof; input feta-noteheads20'-output-directory=../build and mf '\mode:=proof; -output-directory=../build input feta-noteheads20' but both failed... It fails for me too... I've just reported this to the TeXLive

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-23 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/23 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: Well, you could call calc_length to get the stem length, since you have the stem grob in the form of me, i.e. Real length = robust_scm2double (me-calc_length (smob)); If you want to, you could try adding a saved value for the length so you don't

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-23 Thread Werner LEMBERG
In one of my previous mails I gave you a recipe how to produce a `proof' version of the font using `mf' and `gftodvi'.  It doesn't help to get the exact outline since it is always based on the rasterized output of `mf', but it nicely shows the construction points (if possible). I've tried

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
Hi, after fixing my problems with virtualBox (again...) i'm trying to implement the changes i suggested long ago and test them. Unfortunately i have 2 problems: - it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf directory, the changes to the font are not made (i.e. after running

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
- it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf directory, the changes to the font are not made (i.e. after running make all from /build, and compiling a file with binary found in build/out/bin/, the pdf output remains the same) Perhaps there are missing dependencies in

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Marc Hohl
Am 22.01.2011 10:07, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: - it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf directory, the changes to the font are not made (i.e. after running make all from /build, and compiling a file with binary found in build/out/bin/, the pdf output remains the same)

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
On 1/22/11 1:37 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: it seems that no matter what i do inside the metafont files in mf directory, the changes to the font are not made W dniu 22 stycznia 2011 15:42 użytkownik Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu napisał: I do rm mf/out/*

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com Now i'm almost done. However i still don't know how to attach different versions of flags to the stems. cheers, Janek Is this too simple for what you're discussing?

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Janek Warchoł
2011/1/22 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: - Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com Now i'm almost done. However i still don't know how to attach different versions of flags to the stems. cheers, Janek Is this too simple for what you're

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/22/11 10:59 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/22 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net: - Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com Now i'm almost done. However i still don't know how to attach different versions of

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
And there is one more thing - is it a bug in font sources? When i change total_depth# = 3.5 staff_space# - blot_diameter# / 2; to total_depth# = 3 staff_space# - blot_diameter# / 2; (in definition of u4 flag, line 163 of feta-flags.mf), i get the output in attachment. I've tried other

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 1/22/11 5:38 PM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: W dniu 22 stycznia 2011 19:06 użytkownik Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu napisał: On 1/22/11 10:59 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: Now i'm almost done. However i still don't know how to

Re: flags,beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2011-01-22 Thread Werner LEMBERG
umm... DVI output? I've searched the manuals and didn't found how to achieve it :/ In one of my previous mails I gave you a recipe how to produce a `proof' version of the font using `mf' and `gftodvi'. It doesn't help to get the exact outline since it is always based on the rasterized output

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-31 Thread Xavier Scheuer
2010/12/31 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: I think I agree, but this rule does not agree with the engraving books. So if we go this way we're breaking new ground. That makes me nervous. I certainly wouldn't want to do this without get agreement from a larger number of the core

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-31 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/31 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: On 12/29/10 4:32 PM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: I prefer B because it is the most balanced one - the 16ths don't look cramped, and the 8ths don't look 'airy' when compared to 16ths (especially the beamed variant. I think

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-30 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/29/10 4:32 PM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/29 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: In such a case, there are different standards, we apply both, with a variable to choose between the different behaviors.  That's why we have different accidental

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-29 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/29/10 1:23 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/28 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu On 12/28/10 12:28 PM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe. But from what i've heard, there are few things that actually can be called

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-28 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com Why don't you try to find some scans of reputable editions to see what the standard behavior is in this case? Because i believe the situation is quite different. Would it be feasible for an engraver to have different flags for many different stem

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/28/10 12:28 PM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/27 Han-Wen Nienhuys hanw...@gmail.com Why don't you try to find some scans of reputable editions to see what the standard behavior is in this case? Because i believe the situation is quite different. Would

RE: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread James Lowe
, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement Hi all, There is a problem with LilyPond default output that i want to discuss. Look at the attachment1: - in the first line: the stems of the b's are too short, --- See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-04

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
W dniu 27 grudnia 2010 14:02 użytkownik James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com napisał: 2010/12/27 Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com: - in the first line: the stems of the b's are too short, Janek, See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-04/msg00085.html I

RE: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread James Lowe
Janek, From: Janek Warchoł [lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 December 2010 13:53 To: James Lowe Cc: lilypond-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement W dniu 27 grudnia 2010 14:02 użytkownik James

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/27/10 6:53 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: W dniu 27 grudnia 2010 14:02 użytkownik James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com napisał: 2010/12/27 Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com: - in the first line: the stems of the b's are too short, Janek, See

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com: 2010/12/27 Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com: the same kind of discussion - do you mean that it's bad idea to touch this issue because it will lead to pointless academical disputes? No not at all, I was merely point out that

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: Janek, I appreciate your work.  And I appreciate your raising the issue. (...) [But] The *only* way for you to guarantee it is solved is for *you* to do the work. That's exactly what i expect! I'll try to solve it, as hard as i can. (The only

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/27/10 7:38 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: Janek, I appreciate your work.  And I appreciate your raising the issue. (...) [But] The *only* way for you to guarantee it is solved is for *you* to do the work.

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: On 12/27/10 7:38 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: That's exactly what i expect! I'll try to solve it, as hard as i can. (The only thing that worries me is that my programming skills are not high... i only hope that i picked

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 12/27/10 9:01 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: Thanks for your answer :) And please say what do you think about scaling those flags. So far, I don't know.  I want to see what the reference books have to say (I have

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Janek Warchoł
2010/12/27 Carl Sorensen c_soren...@byu.edu: On 12/27/10 9:01 AM, Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com wrote: i understand that your answer to this particular question is compress the flag in case of downstem notes :) No, that is not my answer.  I don't have an answer yet.  But my

Re: flags, beams and stem length in forced directions - output improvement

2010-12-27 Thread Han-Wen Nienhuys
2010/12/27 Janek Warchoł lemniskata.bernoull...@gmail.com: No, that is not my answer.  I don't have an answer yet.  But my current thought (without yet reviewing my engraving books) is lengthen the stem. That is, I (tentatively) reject the idea that there is such thing as a