Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes:
Graham Percival writes:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 02:05:44PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
- plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
ie, use git the way it was designed and is still used by the
creators (linux, git).
Hans Aberg haber...@telia.com writes:
On 26 Sep 2013, at 17:16, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
The section originates with me but I got diverted into trying to
create a more elegant solution for how to rewrite accidentals in
transposed music. It was all related to the need for an
Graham Percival writes:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 02:05:44PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
- plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
ie, use git the way it was designed and is still used by the
creators (linux, git).
Are you volunteering to be that benevolent
On 26/09/13 18:38, David Kastrup wrote:
You commented on the issue where this patch originated as late as July:
URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1278#c7. So
it's hard to argue that it was not discoverable to you.
This July I got an email update from the issue, and
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes:
On 26/09/13 18:38, David Kastrup wrote:
You commented on the issue where this patch originated as late as July:
URL:http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1278#c7. So
it's hard to argue that it was not discoverable to
On 27/09/13 03:44, Graham Percival wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 03:12:27PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
This risks becoming another corrosive discussion,
Then WTF are you starting it?
Because I had hoped that what I said was sufficiently qualified not to create
bad feeling.
Hi all,
after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
doing things :-)
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
- gerrit
- something else i've forgotten?
I'm going to have a short break from
, September 26, 2013 10:48 AM
Subject: improving our contributing tools and workflow
Hi all,
after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
doing things :-)
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
2013/9/26 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net:
- Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł
janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
doing things :-)
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth
, September 26, 2013 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: improving our contributing tools and workflow
Good luck. Let me give a Graham-style warning. Don't invest any more
time
and effort initially than the amount you can discard without problem.
That's
to say - don't put months of work with the risk
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:
2013/9/26 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net:
- Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł
In a truly Grahamic spirit, i'm going to focus on this issue and not
participate in anything else on the mailing list until we're done
(with the
On 26/09/13 12:26, David Kastrup wrote:
The dean is annoyed: Why can't you be like the mathematicians? They
just need pencils, paper, and a wastebasket and will work for years.
And the philosophers don't even need a wastebasket...
Not any more, either for mathematicians or philosophers ...
: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: improving our contributing tools and workflow
On 26/09/13 12:26, David Kastrup wrote:
The dean is annoyed: Why can't you be like the mathematicians? They
just need pencils, paper, and a wastebasket and will work for years.
And the philosophers
Janek Warchoł writes:
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
- gerrit
- something else i've forgotten?
You may want to study
- plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
ie, use git the way it was designed and is still used by the
creators (linux,
Hi,
to make things clear: i do not intend to attack anyone personally, or
imply that anyone has bad will or malicious intentions. I only want
to explain how the situation looks like from my point of view.
2013/9/26 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net:
Janek wrote:
2013/9/26 Phil Holmes
Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org writes:
Janek Warchoł writes:
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
- gerrit
- something else i've forgotten?
You may want to study
- plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
ie, use git the way it was
On 26/09/13 14:26, David Kastrup wrote:
So Graham organized the infrastructure where this would not easily
happen again in the same manner, and the Contributor's Guide reflects
it.
But we haven't exactly seen a flurry of patches from newcomers appearing
on the lists. Of course, part of the
On 26/09/13 13:56, Phil Holmes wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, Google Code could be changed. I find its restriction
on attachments annoying. However, a replacement would have to be able to import
_all_ the issues lodged there with all their detail and attachments, and provide
similar
On 26/09/13 11:48, Janek Warchoł wrote:
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
- gerrit
- something else i've forgotten?
GitLab: http://gitlab.org/
Looks more feature-complete and user-friendly than Gitorious (it's
, September 26, 2013 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: improving our contributing tools and workflow
Hi,
to make things clear: i do not intend to attack anyone personally, or
imply that anyone has bad will or malicious intentions. I only want
to explain how the situation looks like from my point of view
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes:
There may be another side to this. Post-GitHub there has been a
pretty substantial increase in the user-friendliness of DVCS. What's
currently advocated in the Contributors' Guide stands in stark
contrast to the ease of
On 26/09/13 14:52, Phil Holmes wrote:
I thought I made this clear - I was repeating something Graham said to me on a
number of occasions. He would argue it was realistic, not pessimistic. You have
to be aware of the fact that, simply by working hard on a problem does not
guarantee that the
On 26/09/13 15:04, David Kastrup wrote:
How many substantial patches would you expect yourself to be
contributing in the wake of such a move per month to LilyPond?
Don't know. Most of my potential contributions to Lilypond are likely to be
documentation -- among other things I'd like to
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes:
Now, I'm not assuming that no one has ever done this. I rather
imagine it's been tried and that the resulting workload (probably
mostly Graham's) has been overwhelming and that in fact there is no
guarantee that it pays off in
On 26/09/13 15:23, David Kastrup wrote:
Well, you think that it's better to demoralize existing developers
rather than hypothetical would-be contributors nobody knows.
This is going to be a toxic direction of discussion if we pursue it, so I won't
respond, except to say that it is not my
Percival gra...@percival-music.ca
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: improving our contributing tools and workflow
On 26/09/13 15:04, David Kastrup wrote:
How many substantial patches would you expect yourself to be
contributing in the wake of such a move per month to LilyPond
Phil Holmes wrote Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:11 PM
- Original Message -
From: Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net
On 26/09/13 15:04, David Kastrup wrote:
How many substantial patches would you expect yourself to be
contributing in the wake of such a move per
On 26/09/13 16:37, Trevor Daniels wrote:
Almost exactly what I was about to reply, but Phil beat me to it! In fact I
think I remember helping you add the Contemporary music headings some
time ago, or was it someone else?
The section originates with me but I got diverted into trying to create
: Re: improving our contributing tools and workflow
On 26/09/13 16:37, Trevor Daniels wrote:
Almost exactly what I was about to reply, but Phil beat me to it! In
fact I
think I remember helping you add the Contemporary music headings some
time ago, or was it someone else?
The section
On 26/09/13 17:16, Phil Holmes wrote:
I think it's waiting for someone to propose how it could be represented in
LilyPond. If _someone_ were to do that, it might progress - it was only a few
months ago it was last looked at.
Unfortunately, it was someone putting forward a workaround which I'd
On 26/09/13 17:35, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
Unfortunately, it was someone putting forward a workaround which I'd already
proposed and found lacking, as it doesn't play nice with transposition :-(
There was actually a patch submitted which tweaked the internal pitch
representation
Joseph Rushton Wakeling joseph.wakel...@webdrake.net writes:
On 26/09/13 17:35, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
Unfortunately, it was someone putting forward a workaround which I'd already
proposed and found lacking, as it doesn't play nice with transposition :-(
There was actually a patch
On 26 Sep 2013, at 17:16, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
On 26/09/13 16:37, Trevor Daniels wrote:
Almost exactly what I was about to reply, but Phil beat me to it! In fact I
think I remember helping you add the Contemporary music headings some
time ago, or was it someone else?
The
On 13-09-26 03:48 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote:
Hi all,
after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
doing things :-)
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth looking at are:
- gitorious
- gerrit
- something else i've forgotten?
On 26 Sep 2013, at 17:16, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote:
The section originates with me but I got diverted into trying to create a
more elegant solution for how to rewrite accidentals in transposed music. It
was all related to the need for an effective chromatic transposition
2013/9/26 Colin Campbell c...@shaw.ca:
On 13-09-26 03:48 AM, Janek Warchoł wrote:
Hi all,
after a long discussion i think it's time to gradually move towards
doing things :-)
David is going to talk with Savannah people - that's great!
Other things that are worth looking at are:
-
2013/9/27 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
2013/9/26 Colin Campbell c...@shaw.ca:
Well, I'm unskilled and uneducated in most areas useful to development and
change management, but I'm offering to help in whatever way you think I can.
Excellent! We'll probably start by creating some
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 03:12:27PM +0200, Joseph Rushton Wakeling wrote:
On 26/09/13 14:52, Phil Holmes wrote:
We've had bad experiences where a helpful and enthusiastic new
contributor misunderstood the instructions, ran off and did 5 hours of
work instead of 10 minutes, and none of the main
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 02:05:44PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
- plain email-based patch submission using a benevolent dictator,
ie, use git the way it was designed and is still used by the
creators (linux, git).
Are you volunteering to be that benevolent dictator? Spend, say,
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