Re: ppppp but no fffff

2009-07-25 Thread Trevor Daniels
Mark Polesky wrote Saturday, July 25, 2009 4:29 AM We all okay with this patch? LGTM Of course it's a new command and a syntax change; I don't know if that means some special process has to be taken; updating the parser, etc. I have no idea, actually. Let me know. Nothing else is

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread Ian Hulin
Hi Graham, Graham Percival wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 06:15:31PM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: Thanks, Neil. My editor does confusing things with tabs. I hate them. Who would object if I just started running tabs-spaces on the source docs? I think we should have a strict no-tabs rule. And I'm

feature request (\cueNotes)

2009-07-25 Thread Werner
I really would be glad, if there was a possibility to make notes (including heads, stems, beams, flags, slurs, clefs, accidentals, ...) smaller. Unfortunately the \small, \tiny, \set fontSize commands don't affect all parts of notes (beams, ... are not affected). Something like \cueNotes or just

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Werner (et al,), Please use two spaces after a full stop in documentation strings for consistence. Since this is incorrect typographical practice, and Lilypond prides itself on beautiful typography, I'm surprised this is the standard in the docs — why/how was this decision made?

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Thanks, Neil. My editor does confusing things with tabs. Then use a different editor. I hate them. I dislike them, too, but there are many editors which handle them just fine. I don't see a problem here. Werner ___ lilypond-devel mailing

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Please use two spaces after a full stop in documentation strings for consistence. Since this is incorrect typographical practice, It really depends. IIRC, the Chicaco manual of style recommended this. and Lilypond prides itself on beautiful typography, I'm surprised this is the standard

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Werner, It really depends. IIRC, the Chicaco manual of style recommended this. The view at CMOS is that there is no reason for two spaces after a period in published work. http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/CMS_FAQ/OneSpaceorTwo/ OneSpaceorTwo03.html Also see page 28 of Robert

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
The view at CMOS is that there is no reason for two spaces after a period in published work. Ok, whatever :-) Look up references to TeX and LaTeX for more on this topic. However, the PDF (e.g., the NR) *appears* to preserve double-space sentence separations — where (e.g., some

Re: percussion and midi

2009-07-25 Thread Alan Szlosek
Marc, Thanks a million for pointing me at the articulation and MIDI discussion. I now have a pretty good idea of where to go from here, and I'm almost done with the first item on my todo list. Thanks again. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Hello Alan, Alan

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread Joe Neeman
On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 09:58 -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: ...tabs in the source code... Werner Lemberg wrote: I dislike them, too, but there are many editors which handle them just fine. I don't see a problem here. But would you be *opposed* to a strict no-tab rule? I like spaces just

Re: ppppp but no fffff

2009-07-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
I don't know if this needs an additional command, but in Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony there is a pp (6 p's) during the clarinet solo at the end of the exposition. What's funny is that he only uses ff at the beginning of the next section, which is one of the loudest orchestral moments I

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread Mark Polesky
Joe Neeman wrote: I like spaces just fine, but I'd prefer it if you could hold off on this for a little while. I have a big patch that I'd like to merge and I'm not so keen on resolving a bunch of whitespace conflicts... Okay, I'll make a note: I'll wait for Han-Wen, Jan, and Joe. Thanks. -

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/25/09 10:58 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: ...tabs in the source code... Werner Lemberg wrote: I dislike them, too, but there are many editors which handle them just fine. I don't see a problem here. But would you be *opposed* to a strict no-tab rule? Carl

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Werner, To cite the texinfo info pages: Thanks for the reference — for subsequent thread-followers, I also recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-spaced_sentences Indeed, I just see that @frenchspacing is only used for French and Japanese (the latter only partially). It should

Re: ppppp but no fffff

2009-07-25 Thread Mark Polesky
Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I don't know if this needs an additional command, but in Tchaikovsky's 6th symphony there is a pp (6 p's) during the clarinet solo at the end of the exposition. Yes, and I mentioned the on the last page of book 2 of the Ligeti etudes. Graham proposed a

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:30:45PM -0400, Kieren MacMillan wrote: Excellent! Then I nominate @frenchspacing (i.e., single-spaced sentences) be used for the English docs, consistent with the overwhelming majority of modern English typographic style guides and practice... Seconder? Opposed?

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread Mark Polesky
Carl Sorensen wrote: No, Jan was not in favor of it unless it became a standard for GNU coding. Hence the comment on first making it a standard (i.e., a GNU standard) and sending a patch to emacs-devel. The current standard is to let tabs and spaces be handled as emacs handles them. Oh, is

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread Hans Aberg
On 25 Jul 2009, at 19:39, Patrick McCarty wrote: One thing you could do right now, without awaiting approval, is to check for lines that have tabs *after* spaces at the beginning. These should be converted to tabs *followed* by spaces. This is not correct, as if tabs are set to 8 spaces, 2

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Mark Polesky
Kieren MacMillan wrote: Excellent! Then I nominate @frenchspacing (i.e., single-spaced sentences) be used for the English docs, consistent with the overwhelming majority of modern English typographic style guides and practice... Seconder? Opposed? Abstentions? Seconder.

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/25/09 11:47 AM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Carl Sorensen wrote: No, Jan was not in favor of it unless it became a standard for GNU coding. Hence the comment on first making it a standard (i.e., a GNU standard) and sending a patch to emacs-devel. The current

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 20090725.163011.184567355...@gnu.org, Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org writes Indeed, I just see that @frenchspacing is only used for French and Japanese (the latter only partially). It should be activated for all languages except, perhaps, English. Note that I don't care what you native

Re: markup?/markup-list? - ly:markup?/ly:markup-list?

2009-07-25 Thread Nicolas Sceaux
Le 25 juil. 09 à 20:19, Mark Polesky a écrit : So, is there any reason that it's markup? and not ly:markup?. Ditto with markup-list?. The ly: prefix was supposed to be used for functions defined in the C++ part, which markup? and markup-list? are not. Nicolas

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:01:44AM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: Kieren MacMillan wrote: Excellent! Then I nominate @frenchspacing (i.e., single-spaced sentences) be used for the English docs, consistent with the overwhelming majority of modern English typographic style guides and

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 7/25/09 12:01 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: Kieren MacMillan wrote: Excellent! Then I nominate @frenchspacing (i.e., single-spaced sentences) be used for the English docs, consistent with the overwhelming majority of modern English typographic style guides and

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Mark Polesky
Carl Sorensen wrote: Two spaces after a full stop allows the emacs sentence detection code to work properly. @frenchspacing eliminates the extra space after the full stop at the end of the sentence. Aren't we glad we use typesetting software instead of WYSIWYG word processors? We can

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Carl (et al.), Two spaces after a full stop allows the emacs sentence detection code to work properly. @frenchspacing eliminates the extra space after the full stop at the end of the sentence. Then it's settled — excellent! Thanks, Kieren.

how to view console on Windows?

2009-07-25 Thread Mark Polesky
This was never resolved: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00434.html I'm on Windows, and I can see the console with the help of LilyPondTool. But how do I view console output without a gui? It's not in the log file. Anyone? - Mark

Re: Feature request: 'line' articulation

2009-07-25 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/7/24 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org: I don't object to add it to the font, so please add it as a feature request. Here goes: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=822 Regards, Valentin ___ lilypond-devel mailing list

Re: Docs and new web site reorganization steps

2009-07-25 Thread John Mandereau
Le mercredi 22 juillet 2009 à 10:30 +0200, John Mandereau a écrit : Step 1) Move all Texinfo documentation in user/ and topdocs/ one directory higher (done in my working tree), in translations too. Step 2) Update all build and maintenance scripts and the CG. At the end of this step docs

Re: [PATCH] IR 3 Backend: More auto-sorting.

2009-07-25 Thread Valentin Villenave
2009/7/25 Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com: Thanks, Neil. My editor does confusing things with tabs. I hate them. Who would object if I just started running tabs-spaces on the source docs? I think we should have a strict no-tabs rule. And I'm in good company:

Re: how to view console on Windows?

2009-07-25 Thread Jonathan Kulp
You can run it from the dos cmd prompt. Just do lilypond foobar.ly and it should work. Jon On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com wrote: This was never resolved: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00434.html I'm on Windows, and I can

Re: ppppp but no fffff

2009-07-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2009-06/msg00417.html Oh, I haven't played around with make-dynamic-script yet. I guess it's not necessary to have a pre-defined command for pp and the like, since it's so easy to add these extreme dynamics as needed. Thanks for the

Re: how to view console on Windows?

2009-07-25 Thread Mark Polesky
Jonathan Kulp wrote: You can run it from the dos cmd prompt. Just do lilypond foobar.ly and it should work. Yes it does... thank you, that helps. But shouldn't the output be sent to the log file? I wish it were. Does anyone know how to do that? Thanks. - Mark

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Indeed, I just see that @frenchspacing is only used for French and Japanese (the latter only partially). It should be activated for all languages except, perhaps, English. Note that I don't care what you native speakers actually decide for English Excellent! Then I nominate

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Then I nominate @frenchspacing (i.e., single-spaced sentences) be used for the English docs, consistent with the overwhelming majority of modern English typographic style guides and practice... Seconder? Opposed? Abstentions? Don't we want to be following the GNU Coding Standards? They

Re: tabs vs. spaces in source code

2009-07-25 Thread John Mandereau
Le samedi 25 juillet 2009 à 09:58 -0700, Mark Polesky a écrit : But even in such cases, as long as my tab-width matches the tab-widths in the source, tabs2spaces should be fine. Is it correct to say that git (or savannah) translates all tabs to 8 spaces without exception? Git doesn't

Re: Docs and new web site reorganization steps

2009-07-25 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 09:25:01PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le mercredi 22 juillet 2009 à 10:30 +0200, John Mandereau a écrit : Step 1) Move all Texinfo documentation in user/ and topdocs/ one directory higher (done in my working tree), in translations too. Step 2) Update all build

Re: Docs and new web site reorganization steps

2009-07-25 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Patrick McCartypnor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 09:25:01PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le mercredi 22 juillet 2009 à 10:30 +0200, John Mandereau a écrit : Step 1) Move all Texinfo documentation in user/ and topdocs/ one directory higher (done

Re: [PATCH] IR 3 Backend: More auto-sorting.

2009-07-25 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/7/25 Mark Polesky markpole...@yahoo.com: In the meantime, I'll wait for someone to verify the revised patch. + (sort (map symbol-string (hashq-ref iface-grob-table

Re: Docs and new web site reorganization steps

2009-07-25 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Patrick McCartypnor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Patrick McCartypnor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 09:25:01PM +0200, John Mandereau wrote: Le mercredi 22 juillet 2009 à 10:30 +0200, John Mandereau a écrit : Step 1) Move

Re: ppppp but no fffff

2009-07-25 Thread Neil Puttock
2009/7/25 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com: There's something in NR 3.5.5 that describes how to control MIDI behavior for (custom) dynamics.  But if I just use make-dynamic-script to print out ff or z in the score, and I don't use any other dynamics, it gets softer when the custom

Re: RFC: new vertical layout engine

2009-07-25 Thread Trevor Daniels
Kieren MacMillan wrote Saturday, July 25, 2009 6:30 PM Thanks for the reference — for subsequent thread-followers, I also recommend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-spaced_sentences Indeed, I just see that @frenchspacing is only used for French and Japanese (the latter only partially).

Weird make error

2009-07-25 Thread Carl Sorensen
I'm trying to build lilypond after doing a make distclean. make runs through the creation of the .o and the executable. It finishes the fonts, then when it starts compiling the snippets it ends with: make PACKAGE=LILYPOND package=lilypond -C J.S.Bach all make PACKAGE=LILYPOND package=lilypond

Contrib Guide not built

2009-07-25 Thread Jonathan Kulp
After pulling the latest changes, the contributor guide pdf version is not building. The html big-page and all other docs are built properly with their new names. I looked through the build log and can't find any errors saying why the CG pdf wouldn't get built. Jon -- Jonathan Kulp

Re: SVG backend: On-the-fly conversion of Emmentaler/Aybabtu glyphs to paths

2009-07-25 Thread joeneeman
On 2009/07/24 23:30:00, Patrick McCarty wrote: On 2009/07/21 18:43:10, joeneeman wrote: I think it would be helpful if you gave an example or 2 of the sort of string you expect to match here. I'm a bit worried also about the fact that you require the attributes to be in a specific order.

Re: SVG backend: On-the-fly conversion of Emmentaler/Aybabtu glyphs to paths

2009-07-25 Thread joeneeman
It seems as though rietveld wants to send my code-comments and my reply-to-comments comments in two separate emails. Sorry for the noise. http://codereview.appspot.com/96083/diff/1015/20 File lily/pango-font.cc (right): http://codereview.appspot.com/96083/diff/1015/20#newcode354 Line 354: bool

Re: Contrib Guide not built

2009-07-25 Thread Patrick McCarty
Hi Jon, On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Jonathan Kulpjonlancek...@gmail.com wrote: After pulling the latest changes, the contributor guide pdf version is not building.  The html big-page and all other docs are built properly with their new names. I looked through the build log and can't find

Re: SVG backend: On-the-fly conversion of Emmentaler/Aybabtu glyphs to paths

2009-07-25 Thread Patrick McCarty
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 7:03 PM, joenee...@gmail.com wrote: On 2009/07/24 23:30:00, Patrick McCarty wrote: The new code uses a generalized regular expression that will match a glyph element with attributes in any order. The code is slower now, I think due to the complexity of the new regular

How can I use git to help me merge a patch with the new directory structure

2009-07-25 Thread Carl Sorensen
As you're aware, I've been working on a patch for autobeaming. It affects c++, scheme, and documentation files. Now I want to apply the patch to master. But the problem is that all of the documentation files have moved to Documentation/ISOLANG/notation instead of Documentation/ISOLANG/user So